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Yusseria
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:48 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Yusseria wrote:SCOTHS sides with Trump on detention of immigrants.

Beautiful. Another garbage 9th Circut ruling struck down.

If you commit a crime 10 years prior to your deportation, then there is a good chance you have changed, and that would then be considered ripping you away from what you have built.

We shouldn't be allowing literal criminals into the country anyway.
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Seangoli
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Postby Seangoli » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:48 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Let’s never question someone surrounded consistently by clear criminals.

Guilt by association is a rather flawed mentality, friendo.

Yeah well I’d be happy if people researched for themselves over a history of just questioning and citing or linking nothing.

I'm sure the excruciating effort required in copypasting a link is just too much to bear.


You have to admit that at *some* point, the fact that Trump amd Trump's businesses are constantly involving organized crime members in some form or fashion in rheir major dealings is suspicious as hell.

It should come as no small wonder that the President acts like the world's worst mafia don.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Since when did only banana republic dictators protect their citizens from foreign attack?


So in what way is this "foreign attack"?


By being both foreign, and an attack.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So in what way is this "foreign attack"?


By being both foreign, and an attack.


It's the latter we're struggling with, Tel, how is this an attack?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:56 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
By being both foreign, and an attack.


It's the latter we're struggling with, Tel, how is this an attack?


How is it not? You know what the ICC does right?
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Postby Druulis » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
By being both foreign, and an attack.


It's the latter we're struggling with, Tel, how is this an attack?


Apparently enforcing human rights laws is an 'attack' in the eyes of Trump supporters. Very telling.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's the latter we're struggling with, Tel, how is this an attack?


How is it not? You know what the ICC does right?


You can explain when you tell me how it's an attack.
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Postby Druulis » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:00 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's the latter we're struggling with, Tel, how is this an attack?


How is it not? You know what the ICC does right?


The International Criminal Court (ICC or ICCt)[2] is an intergovernmental organization and international tribunal that sits in The Hague in the Netherlands. The ICC has the jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and crimes of aggression.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... inal_Court

Yeah, nothing here about 'foreign attacks'

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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:01 pm

Druulis wrote:
Telconi wrote:
How is it not? You know what the ICC does right?


The International Criminal Court (ICC or ICCt)[2] is an intergovernmental organization and international tribunal that sits in The Hague in the Netherlands. The ICC has the jurisdiction to prosecute individuals for the international crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and crimes of aggression.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... inal_Court

Yeah, nothing here about 'foreign attacks'


Is the ICC an American institution?

Is prosecuting a person for a make believe crime an attack?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Druulis wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... inal_Court

Yeah, nothing here about 'foreign attacks'


Is the ICC an American institution?

Is prosecuting a person for a make believe crime an attack?

Americans can be prosecuted by non-American institutions. War crimes are not make believe. That being said the US is not a member of the ICC
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:18 pm

Yusseria wrote:SCOTHS sides with Trump on detention of immigrants.

Beautiful. Another garbage 9th Circut ruling struck down.


Remember, double jeopardy is garbage, apparently.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:23 pm

Telconi wrote:
Druulis wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... inal_Court

Yeah, nothing here about 'foreign attacks'


Is the ICC an American institution?

Is prosecuting a person for a make believe crime an attack?


So you believe genocide is OK. Got it.
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Postby Aejus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:27 pm

Give daddy trump the funding, it's just going to be spent on illegals anyway. [̲̅$̲̅(ツ)$̲̅]

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:28 pm

Aejus wrote:Give daddy trump the funding, it's just going to be spent on illegals anyway. [̲̅$̲̅(ツ)$̲̅]


Well that was one hell of a non-sequitur.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Aejus wrote:Give daddy trump the funding, it's just going to be spent on illegals anyway. [̲̅$̲̅(ツ)$̲̅]


Well that was one hell of a non-sequitur.

Admit it was a fresh breeze from the usual clamouring for concentration camps.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:32 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Is the ICC an American institution?

Is prosecuting a person for a make believe crime an attack?

Americans can be prosecuted by non-American institutions. War crimes are not make believe. That being said the US is not a member of the ICC


They shouldn't be.

Debatable.

Indeed.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Is the ICC an American institution?

Is prosecuting a person for a make believe crime an attack?


So you believe genocide is OK. Got it.


For someone who cries about things they never said you sure do go to town with that straw when you have the opportunity.
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Postby Yusseria » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:36 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Yusseria wrote:SCOTHS sides with Trump on detention of immigrants.

Beautiful. Another garbage 9th Circut ruling struck down.


Remember, double jeopardy is garbage, apparently.

Double jeapordy only applies to criminal offenses.

Remember, sweetie, illegal immigration is a civil offense. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So you believe genocide is OK. Got it.


For someone who cries about things they never said you sure do go to town with that straw when you have the opportunity.


Well, it doesn't take a lot of thinking to see you just implied genocide is a "make believe" crime
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:38 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, double jeopardy is garbage, apparently.

Double jeapordy only applies to criminal offenses.

Remember, sweetie, illegal immigration is a civil offense. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


Could you try being a decent poster for once?
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:38 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Americans can be prosecuted by non-American institutions. War crimes are not make believe. That being said the US is not a member of the ICC


They shouldn't be.
If they do a crime outside US jurisdiction they most certainly should.

Debatable.
Then debate it
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:38 pm

Yusseria wrote:
The South Falls wrote:If you commit a crime 10 years prior to your deportation, then there is a good chance you have changed, and that would then be considered ripping you away from what you have built.

We shouldn't be allowing literal criminals into the country anyway.

If I commit a crime inside after I'm here , then I'm not a criminal beforehand.
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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:43 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, double jeopardy is garbage, apparently.

Double jeapordy only applies to criminal offenses.

Remember, sweetie, illegal immigration is a civil offense. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Not true United States v. One Assortment of 89 Firearms
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
For someone who cries about things they never said you sure do go to town with that straw when you have the opportunity.


Well, it doesn't take a lot of thinking to see you just implied genocide is a "make believe" crime


I implied it or you assumed it to further a pre-conceived gotcha? Like, if I say the penalty for petty theft is I get to cut you with a razor blade until you die, that's bad. And that saying that it's bad doesnt mean I'm okay with stealing.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:44 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They shouldn't be.
If they do a crime outside US jurisdiction they most certainly should.

Debatable.
Then debate it


Your opinion.

Gotta extradite myself from this straw pile first.
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