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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:02 am

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Vassenor wrote:Also apparently we need to pretend that one of the largest drug busts in NY/NJ history didn't happen because it doesn't fit Trump's narrative about where drugs come in from; he says that it's all lies that drugs come in through legal ports of entry rather than over the land border.


More like we need to teach Rachel Maddow about honest journalism again.


It's her fault that Trump keeps ignoring the evidence about where drugs enter the country?
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:07 am

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More like we need to teach Rachel Maddow about honest journalism again.


It's her fault that Trump keeps ignoring the evidence about where drugs enter the country?


No, but it is disingenuous of her, via Steve Bennen, to mischaracterize the presidents statements.
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Postby Zapato » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:08 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Zapato wrote:So to sum up:

- You have a person who promises to wipe out all the debt, but adds to it instead and will leave you an inneffective wall.
- You have a person who doesn't promise to wipe out all the debt, but will add to it and will leave you social programs.

Which one do you support?


You forgot to mention that the last one’s social programs will eventually collapse as the funding for them runs out.

So frankly, you’re left with nothing on both sides. I’ll pass and collect $200 on Go, thanks.

Ah yes, like how the funding for the military has run out, and it collapsed.


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Postby Loben » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:09 am

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Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
You forgot to mention that the last one’s social programs will eventually collapse as the funding for them runs out.

So frankly, you’re left with nothing on both sides. I’ll pass and collect $200 on Go, thanks.

Ah yes, like how the funding for the military has run out, and it collapsed.


at least we get returns on that.

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Postby Zapato » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:12 am

Loben wrote:
Zapato wrote:Ah yes, like how the funding for the military has run out, and it collapsed.


at least we get returns on that.

And social programs do nothing? Hm. Crime prevention, savings on health care, improved economy through getting more people employed...


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:12 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
It's her fault that Trump keeps ignoring the evidence about where drugs enter the country?


No, but it is disingenuous of her, via Steve Bennen, to mischaracterize the presidents statements.

Did Trump not say “When you look and when you listen to politicians – in particular, certain Democrats – they say it all comes through the port of entry. It’s wrong. It’s wrong. It’s just a lie. It’s all a lie.”?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
No, but it is disingenuous of her, via Steve Bennen, to mischaracterize the presidents statements.

Did Trump not say “When you look and when you listen to politicians – in particular, certain Democrats – they say it all comes through the port of entry. It’s wrong. It’s wrong. It’s just a lie. It’s all a lie.”?


Trump can never be wrong, so clearly he didn't.
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Postby Zapato » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:16 am

Loben wrote:
Zapato wrote:Ah yes, like how the funding for the military has run out, and it collapsed.


at least we get returns on that.

You don't on the $125 billion dollars wasted due to the bureaucratic morass that is the DoD. And that's just one of the way they waste money.

Examples: https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/the-disturbing-ways-we-waste-money-our-military-budget.html/


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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
No, but it is disingenuous of her, via Steve Bennen, to mischaracterize the presidents statements.

Did Trump not say “When you look and when you listen to politicians – in particular, certain Democrats – they say it [u]all comes through the port of entry.[/u[ It’s wrong. It’s wrong. It’s just a lie. It’s all a lie.”?


Trumps point was that Democrats try to deflect away from the drugs crossing a the border isn't a problem, that the real problem is through the legal ports of entry. Trump's statement then is accurate, because that is a lie. Roughly 1/5th of the Drugs coming into the problem come across the border.


The disingenuous statement here, is the article acting like Trump is saying no drugs come through the ports, which was not a claim Trump made.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:28 am

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This is pointless. The conversation isn’t about fire engines, which I may use, but about federal healthcare plans, which I know I will not need.

Others do. Helping those people will let there life grow and advance to help America. They will help you when you need it beacuse you helped them.


Highly unlikely.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:31 am

Tarsonis wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/03/11/feature/nancy-pelosi-on-impeaching-president-trump-hes-just-not-worth-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.393e1e281c77#038;utm_term=.ada3501eb016

Well the insurgent Progressives won’t be happy about this....

Trump is a criminal, but the crimes he has committed as president are the kind that established politicians want to see continue, for personal gain or political power.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Loben wrote:
considering how much of my paycheck the state and fed takes out, fuck no.


Which is why we need to tax the rich properly in order to even out the effective burden.


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Postby Uxupox » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:32 am

Zapato wrote:
Loben wrote:
at least we get returns on that.

You don't on the $125 billion dollars wasted due to the bureaucratic morass that is the DoD. And that's just one of the way they waste money.

Examples: https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/the-disturbing-ways-we-waste-money-our-military-budget.html/


Damn that site is so bad and full of conjecture.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:45 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Did Trump not say “When you look and when you listen to politicians – in particular, certain Democrats – they say it [u]all comes through the port of entry.[/u[ It’s wrong. It’s wrong. It’s just a lie. It’s all a lie.”?


Trumps point was that Democrats try to deflect away from the drugs crossing a the border isn't a problem, that the real problem is through the legal ports of entry. Trump's statement then is accurate, because that is a lie. Roughly 1/5th of the Drugs coming into the problem come across the border.


The disingenuous statement here, is the article acting like Trump is saying no drugs come through the ports, which was not a claim Trump made.

Trump's point was that his beloved wall will be very effective. You can tell because that's what he went on to say.
So our country is doing very well, economically. And we’ve done a lot. But one of the things I said I have to do and I want to do is border security, because we have tremendous amounts of drugs flowing into our country, much of it coming from the southern border. When you look and when you listen to politicians — in particular, certain Democrats — they say it all comes through the port of entry. It’s wrong. It’s wrong. It’s just a lie. It’s all a lie.

They say walls don’t work. Walls work 100 percent. Whether it’s El Paso — I really was smiling, because the other night I was in El Paso — we had a tremendous crowd, and — tremendous crowd. And I asked the people — many of whom were from El Paso, but they came from all over Texas. And I asked them. I said, “Let me ask you, as a crowd: When the wall went up, was it better?” You were there, some of you. It was not only better; it was like 100 percent better. You know what they did.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:14 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which is why we need to tax the rich properly in order to even out the effective burden.


The rich already pay the majority of taxes

Ah yes, I remember a funny story: Noted billionaire Donald J. Trump has gone multiple years without paying any taxes.

Jeez. We really are being hard on people like that, after all, he paid a whole 0$ in taxes, isn't that already asking a bit too much?
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Postby New haven america » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Which is why we need to tax the rich properly in order to even out the effective burden.


"""Properly"""

Properly: Correct or Satisfactory

They're not paying a satisfactory amount of taxes, and billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will be the first to tell you this fact.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"""Properly"""

Properly: Correct or Satisfactory

They're not paying a satisfactory amount of taxes, and billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet will be the first to tell you this fact.


They can always pay more.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:37 pm

Let's see, we go from Trump saying planes are becoming too complicated, which let's be fair, technology is going to improve; to the Administration plans on closing all 21 international immigration offices, and that can delay visas and citizen petitions. Just another day in America.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:46 pm

I'm glad Trump is focusing on the important issues :)

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:50 pm

Gravlen wrote:I'm glad Trump is focusing on the important issues :)

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!


:lol:


Whilst he did state in normal Trump like fashion he's actually not making a bad point tbqh
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:53 pm

Zurkerx wrote:the Administration plans on closing all 21 international immigration offices, and that can delay visas and citizen petitions. Just another day in America.

So not only is the Trump administration illegally rejecting refugees at the border, but it is closing down immigration and refugee offices abroad as it simultaneously demands that asylum seekers apply at those offices.
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Gravlen wrote:I'm glad Trump is focusing on the important issues :)

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!


:lol:


Whilst he did state in normal Trump like fashion he's actually not making a bad point tbqh

Actually, he is. Most of a plane's functions are automated these days. You still need a competent crew at the controls, despite the popular joke that airplanes can fly themselves, but you don't need world-class theoreticians or the like to get from LA to Atlanta. If you did, we'd have planes falling out of the sky nonstop. This is just another episode of Biggest Imbecile: Presidential Edition.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:10 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:the Administration plans on closing all 21 international immigration offices, and that can delay visas and citizen petitions. Just another day in America.

So not only is the Trump administration illegally rejecting refugees at the border, but it is closing down immigration and refugee offices abroad as it simultaneously demands that asylum seekers apply at those offices.
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Whilst he did state in normal Trump like fashion he's actually not making a bad point tbqh

Actually, he is. Most of a plane's functions are automated these days. You still need a competent crew at the controls, despite the popular joke that airplanes can fly themselves, but you don't need world-class theoreticians or the like to get from LA to Atlanta. If you did, we'd have planes falling out of the sky nonstop. This is just another episode of Biggest Imbecile: Presidential Edition.

Yup, exactly this. ^^

As I pilot I know just said, he has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:14 pm

Gravlen wrote:I'm glad Trump is focusing on the important issues :)

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!


:lol:


Didn't he previously claim that the fact there were no plane crashes anywhere in 2017 was all down to him and how awesome he was?
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:21 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:the Administration plans on closing all 21 international immigration offices, and that can delay visas and citizen petitions. Just another day in America.

So not only is the Trump administration illegally rejecting refugees at the border, but it is closing down immigration and refugee offices abroad as it simultaneously demands that asylum seekers apply at those offices.


I think it's pretty clear that the administration is not fond of immigrants, of any kind.

Wallenburg wrote:Actually, he is. Most of a plane's functions are automated these days. You still need a competent crew at the controls, despite the popular joke that airplanes can fly themselves, but you don't need world-class theoreticians or the like to get from LA to Atlanta. If you did, we'd have planes falling out of the sky nonstop. This is just another episode of Biggest Imbecile: Presidential Edition.


Indeed, I can't wait for the proposals of making aircraft simpler to fly. Screw technology and the auto part!
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Gravlen wrote:I'm glad Trump is focusing on the important issues :)

Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger. All of this for great cost yet very little gain. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want Albert Einstein to be my pilot. I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane!


:lol:


Didn't he previously claim that the fact there were no plane crashes anywhere in 2017 was all down to him and how awesome he was?


As a matter of fact, yes, although it's more like no deaths but, it's kind of the same.
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