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Wallenburg wrote:https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trump-claims-hes-100-keeping-troops-syria-two-months-announcing-total-withdrawal/

I fucking knew he would flip on the plan to pull out of Syria. So much for great nations not fighting endless wars.

Uxupox wrote:

Wallenburg wrote:https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trump-claims-hes-100-keeping-troops-syria-two-months-announcing-total-withdrawal/

I fucking knew he would flip on the plan to pull out of Syria. So much for great nations not fighting endless wars.

They are SFAB’d. They ain’t fighting.

Wallenburg wrote:The economy is already slowing down, and is primed for a recession. It's all a house of cards ready to tumble, since we didn't learn anything from 2007.

Wallenburg wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
They are SFAB’d. They ain’t fighting.

Yeah, sure, 7.5k armed troops and contractors and none of them are fighting. I'll believe that when Trump gets Mexico to pay for his wall.

Uxupox wrote:

Wallenburg wrote:Yeah, sure, 7.5k armed troops and contractors and none of them are fighting. I'll believe that when Trump gets Mexico to pay for his wall.

There aren’t 7500 Soldiers in Syria. Overall plan is to leave 400 Soldiers.

Wallenburg wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
There aren’t 7500 Soldiers in Syria. Overall plan is to leave 400 Soldiers.

I don't fucking care what the administration claims they are "planning" for, there are 7.5k soldiers in Syria now.

Uxupox wrote:

Wallenburg wrote:I don't fucking care what the administration claims they are "planning" for, there are 7.5k soldiers in Syria now.

Where are you getting those numbers? Since that not true at alll.

Zurkerx wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
Where are you getting those numbers? Since that not true at alll.

It's around 2,500 so, a third of what he's claiming.

.@RepMikeTurner “The only time that Michael Cohen told the truth is when he pled that he is guilty.” Also when he said no collusion and I did not tell him to lie!”

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:

.@RepMikeTurner “The only time that Michael Cohen told the truth is when he pled that he is guilty.” Also when he said no collusion and I did not tell him to lie!”

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 24599?s=19

BUT HE PLEADED GUILTY ABOUT LYING TO CONGRESS FOR YOU, YOU CRETIN.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/president-trump-increases-indefinite-detention-facilities-at-guantanamo-bay

Trump is expanding the facilities at Guantanamo Bay, preparing it to house more inmates for a longer period of time.

Either a war crime, a crime against humanity, or both, depending on if you think the war on terror is an actual war. Pick your poison.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/president-trump-increases-indefinite-detention-facilities-at-guantanamo-bay

Trump is expanding the facilities at Guantanamo Bay, preparing it to house more inmates for a longer period of time.

Either a war crime, a crime against humanity, or both, depending on if you think the war on terror is an actual war. Pick your poison.

Ifreann wrote:

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/president-trump-increases-indefinite-detention-facilities-at-guantanamo-bay

Trump is expanding the facilities at Guantanamo Bay, preparing it to house more inmates for a longer period of time.

Either a war crime, a crime against humanity, or both, depending on if you think the war on terror is an actual war. Pick your poison.

Remember when Obama was supposedly building FEMA death camps underneath WalMarts? Those were the days.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Remember when Obama was supposedly building FEMA death camps underneath WalMarts? Those were the days.

Ah I miss the days of FEMA conspiracies
It felt so innocent

Zurkerx wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
Where are you getting those numbers? Since that not true at alll.

It's around 2,500 so, a third of what he's claiming.

Wallenburg wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:
It's around 2,500 so, a third of what he's claiming.

That doesn't include contractors, just government troops.

Zurkerx wrote:

Wallenburg wrote:That doesn't include contractors, just government troops.

Eh, not all contractors are fighters though. I'll admit that when you do include contractors, it probably does reflect your number of 7,500.

Regardless, a pullout, especially a reckless one originally proposed by Trump, would be disastrous. As much as I would like to end the endless wars, it does call for sometimes a somewhat permanent presence in some situations, especially since it can come back to bite us and threaten our national security (see ISIS).

Of course, it's going to take more than brute strength to win over there, and a sprinkling of our ideals through education, economic opportunities, and diplomacy will ensure that. It's a long term strategy that no one has fully attempted, likely due to people demanding short term results (I'm looking at you, America...)

Wallenburg wrote:

Zurkerx wrote:
Eh, not all contractors are fighters though. I'll admit that when you do include contractors, it probably does reflect your number of 7,500.

I never claimed that every last one of them is a dedicated combat contractor. Uxupox, on the other hand, claimed that not a single one of them, private mercenary or government soldier, is actually fighting.

Regardless, a pullout, especially a reckless one originally proposed by Trump, would be disastrous. As much as I would like to end the endless wars, it does call for sometimes a somewhat permanent presence in some situations, especially since it can come back to bite us and threaten our national security (see ISIS).

Our endless warfare in Iraq is what created the breeding ground for ISIS.

Of course, it's going to take more than brute strength to win over there, and a sprinkling of our ideals through education, economic opportunities, and diplomacy will ensure that. It's a long term strategy that no one has fully attempted, likely due to people demanding short term results (I'm looking at you, America...)

Indeed. We will, of course, have to wait for diplomacy until after we get the buffoon out of office who would like to nuke Iran for existing.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/03/08/ice-fake-university-farmington/3026214002/

It's hard to wrap one's head around what happened here, but what I gathered from it:

ICE set up a fake university in order to lure in illegal immigrants in order to deport them. When you get a student visa, you are supposed to be enrolled in a real university. Since Farmington is a fake university, every student who was enrolled there didn't comply with the terms of the visa, and were therefore guilty of an immigration infraction. As such, they are all being deported.

Many students took out loans in their home countries in order to come to the US and study at Farmington, meaning that ICE basically invited those people to commit immigration infractions by making the trap.

I feel that this is a perfect example of entrapment. Of course, since their immigration violations are civil violations, not criminal violations, entrapment doesn't really matter.

Vassenor wrote:

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/03/08/ice-fake-university-farmington/3026214002/

It's hard to wrap one's head around what happened here, but what I gathered from it:

ICE set up a fake university in order to lure in illegal immigrants in order to deport them. When you get a student visa, you are supposed to be enrolled in a real university. Since Farmington is a fake university, every student who was enrolled there didn't comply with the terms of the visa, and were therefore guilty of an immigration infraction. As such, they are all being deported.

Many students took out loans in their home countries in order to come to the US and study at Farmington, meaning that ICE basically invited those people to commit immigration infractions by making the trap.

I feel that this is a perfect example of entrapment. Of course, since their immigration violations are civil violations, not criminal violations, entrapment doesn't really matter.

We already had a thread on this and the response basically boiled down to "it's their own fault for not trying to show up to class and then not immediately finding somewhere else to study when they realised it wasn't real".

Thuzbekistan wrote:We dont have the info to say this was entrapment. It sounds like the university was just a made up destination made to look real to trick a system of Visa exploitation. It sounds like private recruiting companies take cash to fake records for students who want to stay in the us past their Visa date. These kids then have to do something illegal to even start applying. That's why they are getting indicted because trying to apply to the university itself is a crime. They are giving false information and false documentation, which in itself is a crime. In court, the state will show that these kids applied with the intention of not going to classes and with false records. Theres a reason the recruiters are being charged.

But just saying its entrapment and calling on the abolish ice movement before seeing evidence does nothing.

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:We dont have the info to say this was entrapment. It sounds like the university was just a made up destination made to look real to trick a system of Visa exploitation. It sounds like private recruiting companies take cash to fake records for students who want to stay in the us past their Visa date. These kids then have to do something illegal to even start applying. That's why they are getting indicted because trying to apply to the university itself is a crime. They are giving false information and false documentation, which in itself is a crime. In court, the state will show that these kids applied with the intention of not going to classes and with false records. Theres a reason the recruiters are being charged.

But just saying its entrapment and calling on the abolish ice movement before seeing evidence does nothing.

Where did I call to abolish ICE exactly?

When those kids did something they would not have done otherwise because of Farmington, then yes, it's entrapment. Doesn't matter how illegal the thing was they did: would they have done something similar if Farmington wasn't there? For many, you could say that no, they would not have.

When the government pulls shit like this, it's very important to be critical of that conduct, and see if it holds up to the highest standard of legality.

Students knew that the scheme was illegal “and that discretion should be used when discussing the program with others,” prosecutors wrote in their indictment, which was filed Jan. 15 in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan.

The federal indictments name eight people in eight states who allegedly were students at the school and recruited additional students to enroll. All have been arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit visa fraud and harboring aliens for profit. They face a maximum sentence of five years in prison.