MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

And that kinda runs counter to the narrative that he just has a grudge against Trump.

Not really, his testimony stinks of scorned person lashing out, the lawsuit, even being legitimate, furthers this narrative.

It could all be on the level, but it’s really easy for the Republicans just dismiss it all as Cohen trying to get revenge on Trunp.

But Republicans are already dismissing it, for the thinnest of pretences. Let's not pretend Republicans are looking at this in an unbiased light, waiting for something to slip. They are already doing anything in their power to protect Trump.

[Ifreann]

Getting revenge on Trump for what? How is Cohen scorned?

Trump didn't protect him, and cut him loose once he was a liability.

So the narrative to defend Trump is built off the fact that Trump didn't protect Cohen when Cohen lied to Congress for him. Not much of a defence.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Trump didn't protect him, and cut him loose once he was a liability.

So the narrative to defend Trump is built off the fact that Trump didn't protect Cohen when Cohen lied to Congress for him. Not much of a defence.

At this point, they're in too deep to not defend Trump.

[Seangoli]

Trump didn't protect him, and cut him loose once he was a liability.

So the narrative to defend Trump is built off the fact that Trump didn't protect Cohen when Cohen lied to Congress for him. Not much of a defence.

The Cohen ordeal is downright bizarre, and the Republican logic surrounding him is baffling.


They don't believe him that when he says he was committing fraud and lyong for the President because he was proven to be lying to Congress earlier when he said he was *not* committing fraud and lying for the President.

I have seen double think, but this has been downright egregious and bizarre.

[San Lumen]

So the narrative to defend Trump is built off the fact that Trump didn't protect Cohen when Cohen lied to Congress for him. Not much of a defence.

At this point, they're in too deep to not defend Trump.

Its not that,. They know if they dare vote against or condemn him they will be primaried. Party matters more than country to them

[Sicaris]

tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

If you want us to stop talking, maybe try proving us wrong.

[Seangoli]

tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

This thread is not about supporting Trump, and never has been. It has not been "taken over". Nationstates is about open discussion, and every thread is open to discussion by everyone. This thread from its inception has veen about both supporters and detractors to the president, and does not lean one way or the other officially, evem if the discussion veers towards criticism.

Threads aren't safe spaces and enforced echo chambers in NS. They are open discussions. and if you are uncomrtable with open discussion and disagreement with your opinions, that's your problem. I have zero issue with people disagreeing with me.

[Ifreann]

So the narrative to defend Trump is built off the fact that Trump didn't protect Cohen when Cohen lied to Congress for him. Not much of a defence.

The Cohen ordeal is downright bizarre, and the Republican logic surrounding him is baffling.


They don't believe him that when he says he was committing fraud and lyong for the President because he was proven to be lying to Congress earlier when he said he was *not* committing fraud and lying for the President.

I have seen double think, but this has been downright egregious and bizarre.

The mind boggles.

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tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

I move we drop the "MAGAThread" title, it is clearly confusing people about the nature of these threads.

[Vassenor]

tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

This is not an echo chamber for Trump supporters. It is an open discussion for news to do with him (and occasionally his posse).

[San Lumen]

tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

yeah how dare anyone question Trump

[Seangoli]

The Cohen ordeal is downright bizarre, and the Republican logic surrounding him is baffling.


They don't believe him that when he says he was committing fraud and lyong for the President because he was proven to be lying to Congress earlier when he said he was *not* committing fraud and lying for the President.

I have seen double think, but this has been downright egregious and bizarre.

The mind boggles.

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tfw thread in support of trump inevitably gets taken over

I move we drop the "MAGAThread" title, it is clearly confusing people about the nature of these threads.

I fundamentally do not understand how anyone would work for him at this point. Loyalty is not rewarded, and he has shown an incredible willingness to throw the lawyer that he hired to do his dirty work to the wolves when he became a liability. On top of all of the other sycophants he has thrown aside in the last couple years.

If he is willing to do that to the person whom understands Trump's ill-doings best, I cannot fathom how hard he will drop others. Not single person under his employ should feel particularly comfortable in their position.

Trying to curry favor with the POTUS is like tryong to curry favor is just a fool's errand.

[Ifreann]

The mind boggles.

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I move we drop the "MAGAThread" title, it is clearly confusing people about the nature of these threads.

I fundamentally do not understand how anyone would work for him at this point. Loyalty is not rewarded, and he has shown an incredible willingness to throw the lawyer that he hired to do his dirty work to the wolves when he became a liability. On top of all of the other sycophants he has thrown aside in the last couple years.

If he is willing to do that to the person whom understands Trump's ill-doings best, I cannot fathom how hard he will drop others. Not single person under his employ should feel particularly comfortable in their position.

Trying to curry favor with the POTUS is like tryong to curry favor is just a fool's errand.

My assumption is that anyone still in the Trump White House isn't loyal to Trump at all, they're just serving their own ends. Laying foundations to get work in the private industry or some other political position under the Republicans.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Only 20,000

Hmm, could we have hit the peak? And could a slowdown be on the horizon? I'll need to see a few more months of data before coming to that conclusion but it's not looking good. I'm sure Trump is not going to like that. Here comes it's the Feds, Democrats, and everyone but my fault sentiment.

Bad news for Trump since the economy is essentially the only thing keeping him afloat.

At this point, I'm having trouble thinking of something that the Trump administration didn't fail at.
They've failed to produce notable gains in the economy, they've failed to keep unity even in the White House, they've failed to produce tax cuts for most Americans, they've failed spectacularly at everything regarding foreign policy, they've failed to cover their tracks with Russia... what exactly have they succeeded at?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bad news for Trump since the economy is essentially the only thing keeping him afloat.

At this point, I'm having trouble thinking of something that the Trump administration didn't fail at.
They've failed to produce notable gains in the economy, they've failed to keep unity even in the White House, they've failed to produce tax cuts for most Americans, they've failed spectacularly at everything regarding foreign policy, they've failed to cover their tracks with Russia... what exactly have they succeeded at?

Judicial nominees. It's all about the long game friend.

[Uxupox]

Bad news for Trump since the economy is essentially the only thing keeping him afloat.

At this point, I'm having trouble thinking of something that the Trump administration didn't fail at.
They've failed to produce notable gains in the economy, they've failed to keep unity even in the White House, they've failed to produce tax cuts for most Americans, they've failed spectacularly at everything regarding foreign policy, they've failed to cover their tracks with Russia... what exactly have they succeeded at?

Ehhh, not everything in foreign policy. There is a withdrawal of Afghanistan in the works. Possibly within 18 months.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

At this point, I'm having trouble thinking of something that the Trump administration didn't fail at.
They've failed to produce notable gains in the economy, they've failed to keep unity even in the White House, they've failed to produce tax cuts for most Americans, they've failed spectacularly at everything regarding foreign policy, they've failed to cover their tracks with Russia... what exactly have they succeeded at?

Judicial nominees. It's all about the long game friend.

I can't help but read this as you saying that the Trump administration was, indeed, terrible, unless they manage to stack the Supreme Court. I am genuinely sorry if it's not what you're saying, but the more I read this, the more it sounds like a statement that rigging the Judiciary will end up being the biggest contribution to America from Trump, and that doesn't sit well with me at all.
...Oh, who am I kidding, of course it's what you're saying. Own the libs at any cost, right? Who cares if it flies in the face of everything this nation is supposed to stand for, who cares if you were saying that it would be the death of America when the Democrats did it, as long as you get to trigger some libtards, it's a great idea.

At this point, I'm having trouble thinking of something that the Trump administration didn't fail at.
They've failed to produce notable gains in the economy, they've failed to keep unity even in the White House, they've failed to produce tax cuts for most Americans, they've failed spectacularly at everything regarding foreign policy, they've failed to cover their tracks with Russia... what exactly have they succeeded at?

Ehhh, not everything in foreign policy. There is a withdrawal of Afghanistan in the works. Possibly within 18 months.

OK, fine, not absolutely everything. Just almost everything.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Judicial nominees. It's all about the long game friend.

I can't help but read this as you saying that the Trump administration was, indeed, terrible, unless they manage to stack the Supreme Court. I am genuinely sorry if it's not what you're saying, but the more I read this, the more it sounds like a statement that rigging the Judiciary will end up being the biggest contribution to America from Trump, and that doesn't sit well with me at all.
...Oh, who am I kidding, of course it's what you're saying. Own the libs at any cost, right? Who cares if it flies in the face of everything this nation is supposed to stand for, who cares if you were saying that it would be the death of America when the Democrats did it, as long as you get to trigger some libtards, it's a great idea.

I don't particularly care about owning the libs, I've just accepted things are fucked and if I want something done it's gonna have to be through the judicial system cuz Congress is a meme.

Besides the liberal side of the court has been blatantly just making shit up since the 30's and using the court to pass legislation, spare me the melodramatic nonsense because it's nothing new.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I can't help but read this as you saying that the Trump administration was, indeed, terrible, unless they manage to stack the Supreme Court. I am genuinely sorry if it's not what you're saying, but the more I read this, the more it sounds like a statement that rigging the Judiciary will end up being the biggest contribution to America from Trump, and that doesn't sit well with me at all.
...Oh, who am I kidding, of course it's what you're saying. Own the libs at any cost, right? Who cares if it flies in the face of everything this nation is supposed to stand for, who cares if you were saying that it would be the death of America when the Democrats did it, as long as you get to trigger some libtards, it's a great idea.

I don't particularly care about owning the libs, I've just accepted things are fucked and if I want something done it's gonna have to be through the judicial system cuz Congress is a meme.

Besides the liberal side of the court has been blatantly just making shit up since the 30's and using the court to pass legislation, spare me the melodramatic nonsense because it's nothing new.

Okay, so, to recap: Your idea of a successful presidency is one that flips the ideology of the Supreme Court specifically because elected representatives don't always do what you want and you know that a body appointed for life is the only way you'll turn your ideas into laws. Did I miss anything, or...?
And what makes you think I agree with the left stacking the Supreme Court in the past, besides the fact that I'm left wing?

[Telconi]

I can't help but read this as you saying that the Trump administration was, indeed, terrible, unless they manage to stack the Supreme Court. I am genuinely sorry if it's not what you're saying, but the more I read this, the more it sounds like a statement that rigging the Judiciary will end up being the biggest contribution to America from Trump, and that doesn't sit well with me at all.
...Oh, who am I kidding, of course it's what you're saying. Own the libs at any cost, right? Who cares if it flies in the face of everything this nation is supposed to stand for, who cares if you were saying that it would be the death of America when the Democrats did it, as long as you get to trigger some libtards, it's a great idea.

I don't particularly care about owning the libs, I've just accepted things are fucked and if I want something done it's gonna have to be through the judicial system cuz Congress is a meme.

Besides the liberal side of the court has been blatantly just making shit up since the 30's and using the court to pass legislation, spare me the melodramatic nonsense because it's nothing new.

Valuing liberties and rights that they dislike is "owning the libs".

[Washington Resistance Army]

Okay, so, to recap: Your idea of a successful presidency is one that flips the ideology of the Supreme Court specifically because elected representatives don't always do what you want and you know that a body appointed for life is the only way you'll turn your ideas into laws. Did I miss anything, or...?

Correct. This ship is already taking on a lot of water and it's only gonna get worse in the upcoming years cuz we're just gonna keep growing further and further apart. Might as well game the system for some good stuff at this point.

And what makes you think I agree with the left stacking the Supreme Court in the past, besides the fact that I'm left wing?

I don't particularly think you agree with it. I'm just saying using the court to push legislation has been the name of the game since the 1930's. There's no point complaining about it being against everything this nation was founded on, the ship already sailed and it's not coming back as much as we'd like it to.

[Zurkerx]

Only 20,000

Hmm, could we have hit the peak? And could a slowdown be on the horizon? I'll need to see a few more months of data before coming to that conclusion but it's not looking good. I'm sure Trump is not going to like that. Here comes it's the Feds, Democrats, and everyone but my fault sentiment.

What else did you expect when Reaganomics were doped up with steroids and brought up to 11 by Trump? Anytime a corporatist like the Republicans or blue dog Dems like Manchin or Kamala get in the WH, you can bet the economy goes into the gutter with frightening speed and the working class citizens get f*cked in their buttocks even more.

It's more of Trumponomics than Reagannomics, but it could argue the two have some parallels. But yes, I agree: the corporatist have tainted the economic system. It's clear we must return to Capitalism or at the very least, balance between two economic thoughts.

Only 20,000

Hmm, could we have hit the peak? And could a slowdown be on the horizon? I'll need to see a few more months of data before coming to that conclusion but it's not looking good. I'm sure Trump is not going to like that. Here comes it's the Feds, Democrats, and everyone but my fault sentiment.

Bad news for Trump since the economy is essentially the only thing keeping him afloat.

Indeed. If the economy slows significantly or enters a recession, he's toast, although if a strong third party were to appear, it could complicate matters.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I don't particularly care about owning the libs, I've just accepted things are fucked and if I want something done it's gonna have to be through the judicial system cuz Congress is a meme.

Besides the liberal side of the court has been blatantly just making shit up since the 30's and using the court to pass legislation, spare me the melodramatic nonsense because it's nothing new.

Valuing liberties and rights that they dislike is "owning the libs".

I was referring to the ongoing tradition of saying that the left is trying to ignore the Constitution (or however people want to phrase it), then proceeding to do the exact same thing that they were angrily ranting about once they get in power. It's pure hypocrisy, plain and simple.
And before I get the standard retort that "the left does that too": yes, some democrats are more than willing to engage in the same tactics, but A) you're probably comparing the actions of a few leftists on the Internet to the actions of the Republican Party's leadership and B) "but they did it too" doesn't work as a defense in elementary school, why should it work here?

Okay, so, to recap: Your idea of a successful presidency is one that flips the ideology of the Supreme Court specifically because elected representatives don't always do what you want and you know that a body appointed for life is the only way you'll turn your ideas into laws. Did I miss anything, or...?

Correct. This ship is already taking on a lot of water and it's only gonna get worse in the upcoming years cuz we're just gonna keep growing further and further apart. Might as well game the system for some good stuff at this point.

And what makes you think I agree with the left stacking the Supreme Court in the past, besides the fact that I'm left wing?

I don't particularly think you agree with it. I'm just saying using the court to push legislation has been the name of the game since the 1930's. There's no point complaining about it being against everything this nation was founded on, the ship already sailed and it's not coming back as much as we'd like it to.

The solution to a broken system should be fixing the system, not shrugging and saying "well, it's already broken, might as well break it even more". The entire point of a republic is that it allows the people to fix the system instead of destroying it and creating a new one. But whatever, there's no point in this debate. It's impossible to objectively prove that something is or isn't ethical, so I won't try to do that here.

[Oldenfranck]

What else did you expect when Reaganomics were doped up with steroids and brought up to 11 by Trump? Anytime a corporatist like the Republicans or blue dog Dems like Manchin or Kamala get in the WH, you can bet the economy goes into the gutter with frightening speed and the working class citizens get f*cked in their buttocks even more.

It's more of Trumponomics than Reagannomics, but it could argue the two have some parallels. But yes, I agree: the corporatist have tainted the economic system. It's clear we must return to Capitalism or at the very least, balance between two economic thoughts.

Bad news for Trump since the economy is essentially the only thing keeping him afloat.

Indeed. If the economy slows significantly or enters a recession, he's toast, although if a strong third party were to appear, it could complicate matters.

Which one of you called Kamala a blue dog, are you kidding me?

Anyways, enjoy these maps I made

[Telconi]

Valuing liberties and rights that they dislike is "owning the libs".

I was referring to the ongoing tradition of saying that the left is trying to ignore the Constitution (or however people want to phrase it), then proceeding to do the exact same thing that they were angrily ranting about once they get in power. It's pure hypocrisy, plain and simple.
And before I get the standard retort that "the left does that too": yes, some democrats are more than willing to engage in the same tactics, but A) you're probably comparing the actions of a few leftists on the Internet to the actions of the Republican Party's leadership and B) "but they did it too" doesn't work as a defense in elementary school, why should it work here?

Correct. This ship is already taking on a lot of water and it's only gonna get worse in the upcoming years cuz we're just gonna keep growing further and further apart. Might as well game the system for some good stuff at this point.



I don't particularly think you agree with it. I'm just saying using the court to push legislation has been the name of the game since the 1930's. There's no point complaining about it being against everything this nation was founded on, the ship already sailed and it's not coming back as much as we'd like it to.

The solution to a broken system should be fixing the system, not shrugging and saying "well, it's already broken, might as well break it even more". The entire point of a republic is that it allows the people to fix the system instead of destroying it and creating a new one. But whatever, there's no point in this debate. It's impossible to objectively prove that something is or isn't ethical, so I won't try to do that here.

I dont recall ever saying that the Republicans don't engage in the same behavior. But when they do such, are their opponents fighting it because they want to "own the conservatives"?