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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:07 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So apparently we’re not letting clinics talk about abortions now

Defunding Planned Parenthood over something that's legal and constitutionally protected. That's definitely not going to massively backfire and cause serious public health problems down the line.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So apparently we’re not letting clinics talk about abortions now

Defunding Planned Parenthood over something that's legal and constitutionally protected. That's definitely not going to massively backfire and cause serious public health problems down the line.


Doesn’t Planned Parenthood focus on more than just abortions, though?

Could’ve sworn they handle sexual health as a whole.

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Postby Ism » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:09 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So apparently we’re not letting clinics talk about abortions now


Well we can't very well let patients make informed decisions now can we? Next you're going to say we have to stop experimenting on them without their permission! It's unconscionable.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:10 pm

Liriena wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So apparently we’re not letting clinics talk about abortions now

Defunding Planned Parenthood over something that's legal and constitutionally protected. That's definitely not going to massively backfire and cause serious public health problems down the line.

It’s not defunding
Trumps plan is to make it so any clinic that receives government money can’t perform, advertise, or recommend another clinic for an abortion
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:Defunding Planned Parenthood over something that's legal and constitutionally protected. That's definitely not going to massively backfire and cause serious public health problems down the line.


Doesn’t Planned Parenthood focus on more than just abortions, though?

Could’ve sworn they handle sexual health as a whole.

Indeed they do. They provide a lot of help and education on reproductive health to people of all genders. We're talking birth control, cancer screenings, STIs, prenatal care...

A lot of poor people are gonna be turbofucked without them, and the "Christian" alternatives are notorious for being immensely inadequate and dishonest.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:Defunding Planned Parenthood over something that's legal and constitutionally protected. That's definitely not going to massively backfire and cause serious public health problems down the line.


Doesn’t Planned Parenthood focus on more than just abortions, though?

Could’ve sworn they handle sexual health as a whole.

They do but that hardly fits the narrative that they grind up dead babies into vaccines
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Liriena wrote:Defunding Planned Parenthood over something that's legal and constitutionally protected. That's definitely not going to massively backfire and cause serious public health problems down the line.

It’s not defunding
Trumps plan is to make it so any clinic that receives government money can’t perform, advertise, or recommend another clinic for an abortion

Which means PP is most likely getting defunded since I doubt they're gonna drop abortion.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:12 pm

Liriena wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:It’s not defunding
Trumps plan is to make it so any clinic that receives government money can’t perform, advertise, or recommend another clinic for an abortion

Which means PP is most likely getting defunded since I doubt they're gonna drop abortion.

Yup, but this way conservatives can paint them as even more evil
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:12 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Doesn’t Planned Parenthood focus on more than just abortions, though?

Could’ve sworn they handle sexual health as a whole.

They do but that hardly fits the narrative that they grind up dead babies into vaccines

I just saw the latest Ben Garrison cartoon and it included that bit.

I know pathologizing entire ideologies is bad but come on... You can't tell me that these are completely normal brains.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:14 pm

Liriena wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Doesn’t Planned Parenthood focus on more than just abortions, though?

Could’ve sworn they handle sexual health as a whole.

Indeed they do. They provide a lot of help and education on reproductive health to people of all genders. We're talking birth control, cancer screenings, STIs, prenatal care...

A lot of poor people are gonna be turbofucked without them, and the "Christian" alternatives are notorious for being immensely inadequate and dishonest.


Planned Parenthood isn’t perfect (there have been cases of ‘em pushing abortion a little too insistently), but frankly, defunding an organization responsible for handling an entire aspect of healthcare is just sheer lunacy.

We’d do far better with merely a rename and a shift towards an aggressive campaign of sexual awareness in order to minimize the incidence of needed abortions.

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Postby Ism » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:18 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:Indeed they do. They provide a lot of help and education on reproductive health to people of all genders. We're talking birth control, cancer screenings, STIs, prenatal care...

A lot of poor people are gonna be turbofucked without them, and the "Christian" alternatives are notorious for being immensely inadequate and dishonest.


Planned Parenthood isn’t perfect (there have been cases of ‘em pushing abortion a little too insistently), but frankly, defunding an organization responsible for handling an entire aspect of healthcare is just sheer lunacy.

We’d do far better with merely a rename and a shift towards an aggressive campaign of sexual awareness in order to minimize the incidence of needed abortions.


No doubt, comprehensive sex education and easier access to contraceptives would go a long way in reducing the need for abortions. But the right, mostly due to influence from the religious right, will stomp their feet at anything more than abstinence only. Which of course is a terrible idea, especially when you also make abortions harder to get.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:22 pm

Ism wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Planned Parenthood isn’t perfect (there have been cases of ‘em pushing abortion a little too insistently), but frankly, defunding an organization responsible for handling an entire aspect of healthcare is just sheer lunacy.

We’d do far better with merely a rename and a shift towards an aggressive campaign of sexual awareness in order to minimize the incidence of needed abortions.


No doubt, comprehensive sex education and easier access to contraceptives would go a long way in reducing the need for abortions. But the right, mostly due to influence from the religious right, will stomp their feet at anything more than abstinence only. Which of course is a terrible idea, especially when you also make abortions harder to get.

When it comes to reproductive health, sex ed and public policy, I think it's fair to say that the religious right is just political dead weight. The motivations behind its policy proposals are entirely spiritual, abstract, not material or practical, and they do nothing to quantitatively or qualitatively improve the lives of anyone.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:24 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ism wrote:
No doubt, comprehensive sex education and easier access to contraceptives would go a long way in reducing the need for abortions. But the right, mostly due to influence from the religious right, will stomp their feet at anything more than abstinence only. Which of course is a terrible idea, especially when you also make abortions harder to get.

When it comes to reproductive health, sex ed and public policy, I think it's fair to say that the religious right is just political dead weight. The motivations behind its policy proposals are entirely spiritual, abstract, not material or practical, and they do nothing to quantitatively or qualitatively improve the lives of anyone.


They are also at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to pragmatism and actually giving a shit about those who fell on hard or desperate times.

I’m a de jure non-practicing Catholic-influenced Deist and I somehow have more outstanding morals and pragmatism than those dunces.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ism wrote:
No doubt, comprehensive sex education and easier access to contraceptives would go a long way in reducing the need for abortions. But the right, mostly due to influence from the religious right, will stomp their feet at anything more than abstinence only. Which of course is a terrible idea, especially when you also make abortions harder to get.

When it comes to reproductive health, sex ed and public policy, I think it's fair to say that the religious right is just political dead weight. The motivations behind its policy proposals are entirely spiritual, abstract, not material or practical, and they do nothing to quantitatively or qualitatively improve the lives of anyone.


Because it was never about improving lives. It was always about control.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Liriena wrote:When it comes to reproductive health, sex ed and public policy, I think it's fair to say that the religious right is just political dead weight. The motivations behind its policy proposals are entirely spiritual, abstract, not material or practical, and they do nothing to quantitatively or qualitatively improve the lives of anyone.


Because it was never about improving lives. It was always about control.


As usual, your take could liquidy nitrogen...
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Liriena wrote:When it comes to reproductive health, sex ed and public policy, I think it's fair to say that the religious right is just political dead weight. The motivations behind its policy proposals are entirely spiritual, abstract, not material or practical, and they do nothing to quantitatively or qualitatively improve the lives of anyone.


Because it was never about improving lives. It was always about control.


A happier populace is easier to control, so even the most altruistic of politicians know that.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because it was never about improving lives. It was always about control.


As usual, your take could liquidy nitrogen...


So how do contraception and abortion bans improve lives?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
As usual, your take could liquidy nitrogen...


So how do contraception and abortion bans improve lives?


By, uh, not killing people?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:39 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
As usual, your take could liquidy nitrogen...


So how do contraception and abortion bans improve lives?


Minimizing the necessity for abortions by maximizing contraceptives and sex-ed is a much more logical take.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do contraception and abortion bans improve lives?


By, uh, not killing people?


And what about the woman who has had control of her body wrested from her?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:40 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
By, uh, not killing people?


And what about the woman who has had control of her body wrested from her?


What about her?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:49 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what about the woman who has had control of her body wrested from her?


What about her?

Well for one thing she’s actually alive
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what about the woman who has had control of her body wrested from her?


What about her?


Does her quality of life not matter then?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So how do contraception and abortion bans improve lives?


By, uh, not killing people?

Contraception is murder now, is it?
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I am:
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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:54 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
What about her?

Well for one thing she’s actually alive

And a person, with an identity of her own and the capacity to make choices and exercise her human rights.
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I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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