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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 1:37 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:I question Mueller's speech simply because just because he might believe they couldn't go after Trump it's like he's saying saying they couldn't indict ANYONE ELSE?
I question that mindset and it sounds like a cop out cause he's a broken man.

He indicted a lot of other people.
The Lone Alliance wrote:I think his problem was he went into the investigation expecting that Trump would have evidence laying around all over the place and that it'd be over by Christmas and when that didn't happen everyone investigating got bogged down in despair. That's why the investigation went on so long, they had the media, the democrats, the anti-Trump republicans, the parts of the world who hated that Trump won, they had all these people saying they had all the answers, and the pressure got to be too much, he could deliver no smoking gun, he could deliver a bunch of whatifs maybes, and "Well you could see it that way", but he knew that wouldn't be good enough.

That doesn't really gel. He was billed as thorough and meticulous from the get, it was part of why even the Republicans were cool with him initially.
The Lone Alliance wrote:So the Investigation went no where while trying to wait for the magic smoking gun to fall from the sky, or maybe he was hoping Trump would fire him to provide the smoking gun for obstruction but Trump's advisors didn't let him do that.

Or, the scope of his election didn't allow for him to indict the president and he presented his findings to the bodies that had that authority.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed May 29, 2019 1:45 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Gormwood wrote:After 8 years of W. Bush the country was so fed up they actually made a black man President. They could make a woman or even a Muslim President after 4 or even 8 years of Donnie's Midas Shit Touch assuming he hasn't reduced the country to a doomsday prepper's wet dream by then.

Well...okay actually Obama was in the lead before it happened, but setting the economy on fire on his way out the door and the Republican candidates fumbled response helped seal the deal.

Though he has over a year left to keep hammering at economy, he might break it yet. I'd rather he didn't and just get elected out without a bunch of people losing their jobs and homes and shit, though.

What do we have on deck? A woman with Indian ancestry (Kamala Harris you hacks, I know you wanted me to mean the 'other kind of Indian' so you could recycle material), a gay dude. Other women. Fuck it, the cars not full, lets load it up. Anyone who thought their unrelated parts of who they were disqualified them, climb on board. Now's your time.
People also forget the Sarah Palin factor, I swear that sank McCain's campaign almost harder than the economy, if the economy hadn't tanked and McCain had gone with someone from the center, or hell gone with his quirky idea of a blue dog democrat or former democrat like Lieberman it might have been really close.

And really the problem with the Democratic candidates I see is while they have a large field of candidate every candidate fielded is hated by one faction of the Democratic base. That means someone is going to have to get thrown under the campaign bus this primary.

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The Lone Alliance wrote:I question Mueller's speech simply because just because he might believe they couldn't go after Trump it's like he's saying saying they couldn't indict ANYONE ELSE?
I question that mindset and it sounds like a cop out cause he's a broken man.

He indicted a lot of other people.

For things he found that they had been doing illegally but not for the things he was supposed to find.
That's the issue and that's why people are mad at him, those indictments were consolation prizes.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:I think his problem was he went into the investigation expecting that Trump would have evidence laying around all over the place and that it'd be over by Christmas and when that didn't happen everyone investigating got bogged down in despair. That's why the investigation went on so long, they had the media, the democrats, the anti-Trump republicans, the parts of the world who hated that Trump won, they had all these people saying they had all the answers, and the pressure got to be too much, he could deliver no smoking gun, he could deliver a bunch of whatifs maybes, and "Well you could see it that way", but he knew that wouldn't be good enough.

That doesn't really gel. He was billed as thorough and meticulous from the get, it was part of why even the Republicans were cool with him initially.

The people saying he was meticulous were the same people telling us he would 100% get him, and now we're expected to believe "Oh Mueller could never have had him indicted no matter what."

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:So the Investigation went no where while trying to wait for the magic smoking gun to fall from the sky, or maybe he was hoping Trump would fire him to provide the smoking gun for obstruction but Trump's advisors didn't let him do that.

Or, the scope of his election didn't allow for him to indict the president and he presented his findings to the bodies that had that authority.

He could have recommended indictments, we were all told he could recommend indictments, and now you're expecting me to believe "Oh Mueller could never recommend an indictment no matter what he found".

So either Mueller is lying or everyone else from the media to government officials have been lying to us.
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 1:59 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:I question Mueller's speech simply because just because he might believe they couldn't go after Trump it's like he's saying saying they couldn't indict ANYONE ELSE?
I question that mindset and it sounds like a cop out cause he's a broken man.

Mueller did indict a bunch of other people.

For part 1, yeah, Russians.

Most of his American indictments were pressure tactics trying to get someone to flip.

He came up empty.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 29, 2019 2:02 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Mueller did indict a bunch of other people.

For part 1, yeah, Russians.

Most of his American indictments were pressure tactics trying to get someone to flip.

He came up empty.


Did I miss the part where Manafort suddenly isn't going to spend the rest of his natural life in prison?
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Vassenor wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:For part 1, yeah, Russians.

Most of his American indictments were pressure tactics trying to get someone to flip.

He came up empty.


Did I miss the part where Manafort suddenly isn't going to spend the rest of his natural life in prison?

No, you missed the part about Manafort not having any Russian involvement.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 2:05 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well...okay actually Obama was in the lead before it happened, but setting the economy on fire on his way out the door and the Republican candidates fumbled response helped seal the deal.

Though he has over a year left to keep hammering at economy, he might break it yet. I'd rather he didn't and just get elected out without a bunch of people losing their jobs and homes and shit, though.

What do we have on deck? A woman with Indian ancestry (Kamala Harris you hacks, I know you wanted me to mean the 'other kind of Indian' so you could recycle material), a gay dude. Other women. Fuck it, the cars not full, lets load it up. Anyone who thought their unrelated parts of who they were disqualified them, climb on board. Now's your time.
People also forget the Sarah Palin factor, I swear that sank McCain's campaign almost harder than the economy, if the economy hadn't tanked and McCain had gone with someone from the center, or hell gone with his quirky idea of a blue dog democrat or former democrat like Lieberman it might have been really close.

And really the problem with the Democratic candidates I see is while they have a large field of candidate every candidate fielded is hated by one faction of the Democratic base. That means someone is going to have to get thrown under the campaign bus this primary.

Cannot think of a name wrote:He indicted a lot of other people.

For things he found that they had been doing illegally but not for the things he was supposed to find.
That's the issue and that's why people are mad at him, those indictments were consolation prizes.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
That doesn't really gel. He was billed as thorough and meticulous from the get, it was part of why even the Republicans were cool with him initially.

The people saying he was meticulous were the same people telling us he would 100% get him, and now we're expected to believe "Oh Mueller could never have had him indicted no matter what."

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Or, the scope of his election didn't allow for him to indict the president and he presented his findings to the bodies that had that authority.

He could have recommended indictments, we were all told he could recommend indictments, and now you're expecting me to believe "Oh Mueller could never recommend an indictment no matter what he found".

So either Mueller is lying or everyone else from the media to government officials have been lying to us.

Republicans thought he was going to 100% find something? I think you're projecting your own perceptions here, man.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 29, 2019 2:07 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Did I miss the part where Manafort suddenly isn't going to spend the rest of his natural life in prison?

No, you missed the part about Manafort not having any Russian involvement.

Mueller = Terrorist.
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What?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 2:08 pm

Vassenor wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:No, you missed the part about Manafort not having any Russian involvement.

Mueller = Terrorist.
Throws a Bomb and Tries to Run Away.


What?

It's just static.
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 2:14 pm

Vassenor wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:No, you missed the part about Manafort not having any Russian involvement.

Mueller = Terrorist.
Throws a Bomb and Tries to Run Away.


What?

Manafort was taken down because of crimes not related to the Russian Election Meddling portion of the investigation.

Mueller, deranged and impotent over his abject failure to link President Trump to the Russian Election Meddling, does his best impression of another bitter failure (John McCain), says it wasn't his fault he failed and calls on the political process to exact vengeance for his failure. Allahu Akbar!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 29, 2019 2:15 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What?

Manafort was taken down because of crimes not related to the Russian Election Meddling portion of the investigation.

Mueller, deranged and impotent over his abject failure to link President Trump to the Russian Election Meddling, does his best impression of another bitter failure (John McCain), says it wasn't his fault he failed and calls on the political process to exact vengeance for his failure. Allahu Akbar!


Dude....the static....
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Postby Valrifell » Wed May 29, 2019 2:15 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What?

Manafort was taken down because of crimes not related to the Russian Election Meddling portion of the investigation.

Mueller, deranged and impotent over his abject failure to link President Trump to the Russian Election Meddling, does his best impression of another bitter failure (John McCain), says it wasn't his fault he failed and calls on the political process to exact vengeance for his failure. Allahu Akbar!


This is way better than the Onion.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 29, 2019 2:18 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What?

Manafort was taken down because of crimes not related to the Russian Election Meddling portion of the investigation.

Mueller, deranged and impotent over his abject failure to link President Trump to the Russian Election Meddling, does his best impression of another bitter failure (John McCain), says it wasn't his fault he failed and calls on the political process to exact vengeance for his failure. Allahu Akbar!


Last time I checked we were talking about the Obstruction of Justice investigation.
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 2:18 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:Manafort was taken down because of crimes not related to the Russian Election Meddling portion of the investigation.

Mueller, deranged and impotent over his abject failure to link President Trump to the Russian Election Meddling, does his best impression of another bitter failure (John McCain), says it wasn't his fault he failed and calls on the political process to exact vengeance for his failure. Allahu Akbar!


Dude....the static....

Dude..., that's a pathetic response.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 29, 2019 2:19 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Mueller did indict a bunch of other people.

For part 1, yeah, Russians.

Most of his American indictments were pressure tactics trying to get someone to flip.

He came up empty.

So if you don't count all the people he indicted, it's like he was saying he couldn't indict anyone.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed May 29, 2019 2:20 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Dude....the static....

Dude..., that's a pathetic response.


A pathetic response to a pathetic post, it's only fair. Barter in anything other than the party line and silly, self-evidently wrong nonsense and maybe we'll buy.
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 2:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:Manafort was taken down because of crimes not related to the Russian Election Meddling portion of the investigation.

Mueller, deranged and impotent over his abject failure to link President Trump to the Russian Election Meddling, does his best impression of another bitter failure (John McCain), says it wasn't his fault he failed and calls on the political process to exact vengeance for his failure. Allahu Akbar!


Last time I checked we were talking about the Obstruction of Justice investigation.

If a prosecutor believes that the government can prove the commission of a crime, even if they are operating under a guideline that suggests they shouldn't indict a sitting President, they can certainly put forth the opinion that a crime was committed.

Regarding Obstruction of Justice, Mueller didn't have shit, couldn't prove shit and is saying that because he couldn't prove shit that there's evidence of shit.

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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 2:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:For part 1, yeah, Russians.

Most of his American indictments were pressure tactics trying to get someone to flip.

He came up empty.

So if you don't count all the people he indicted, it's like he was saying he couldn't indict anyone.

Indictments on crimes not related to what he was supposed to be investigating. He's a bully, a hack and a failure.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed May 29, 2019 2:32 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So if you don't count all the people he indicted, it's like he was saying he couldn't indict anyone.

Indictments on crimes not related to what he was supposed to be investigating. He's a bully, a hack and a failure.


War hero, successful lawyer, head of the FBI for 12 years. Man, I wish I could fail as hard as him...

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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 29, 2019 2:42 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Last time I checked we were talking about the Obstruction of Justice investigation.

If a prosecutor believes that the government can prove the commission of a crime, even if they are operating under a guideline that suggests they shouldn't indict a sitting President, they can certainly put forth the opinion that a crime was committed.

Regarding Obstruction of Justice, Mueller didn't have shit, couldn't prove shit and is saying that because he couldn't prove shit that there's evidence of shit.


Spoken like someone who hasn't read the report. Which talked at length about how Obstruction would've happened had various staffers not seen sense and declined to follow orders.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 2:48 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Last time I checked we were talking about the Obstruction of Justice investigation.

If a prosecutor believes that the government can prove the commission of a crime, even if they are operating under a guideline that suggests they shouldn't indict a sitting President, they can certainly put forth the opinion that a crime was committed.

Regarding Obstruction of Justice, Mueller didn't have shit, couldn't prove shit and is saying that because he couldn't prove shit that there's evidence of shit.

Mueller saying Justice Department policy didn't allow him to charge Donnie with obstruction is now the same as him saying there is no evidence of obstruction now? You're pulling a lot of muscles trying to gloat too hard there.
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 2:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:If a prosecutor believes that the government can prove the commission of a crime, even if they are operating under a guideline that suggests they shouldn't indict a sitting President, they can certainly put forth the opinion that a crime was committed.

Regarding Obstruction of Justice, Mueller didn't have shit, couldn't prove shit and is saying that because he couldn't prove shit that there's evidence of shit.


Spoken like someone who hasn't read the report. Which talked at length about how Obstruction would've happened had various staffers not seen sense and declined to follow orders.

Ken Starr had absolutely no problems using the word, "Guilty" regarding Bill Clinton. Mueller is trying to get Congress to do his dirty work.

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Postby Nakena » Wed May 29, 2019 2:50 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Spoken like someone who hasn't read the report. Which talked at length about how Obstruction would've happened had various staffers not seen sense and declined to follow orders.

Ken Starr had absolutely no problems using the word, "Guilty" regarding Bill Clinton. Mueller is trying to get Congress to do his dirty work.


Perhaps because Mueller is a pro and not a smut peddler such as Starr?

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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 2:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:If a prosecutor believes that the government can prove the commission of a crime, even if they are operating under a guideline that suggests they shouldn't indict a sitting President, they can certainly put forth the opinion that a crime was committed.

Regarding Obstruction of Justice, Mueller didn't have shit, couldn't prove shit and is saying that because he couldn't prove shit that there's evidence of shit.


Spoken like someone who hasn't read the report. Which talked at length about how Obstruction would've happened had various staffers not seen sense and declined to follow orders.

Not being charged with a crime only because your underlings were too stupid or too self-preserving to carry it out is not something a normal human being should be proud of.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 29, 2019 2:50 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Spoken like someone who hasn't read the report. Which talked at length about how Obstruction would've happened had various staffers not seen sense and declined to follow orders.

Ken Starr had absolutely no problems using the word, "Guilty" regarding Bill Clinton. Mueller is trying to get Congress to do his dirty work.


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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 2:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
WhatsamattaU wrote:Ken Starr had absolutely no problems using the word, "Guilty" regarding Bill Clinton. Mueller is trying to get Congress to do his dirty work.


Perhaps because Mueller is a pro and not a smut peddler such as Starr?

And rape enabler don't forget.
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