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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed May 29, 2019 9:32 am

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Nea Byzantia wrote:So if Trump wins te Presidency again, who will be his VP? Pence again, or someone else?...what do y'all think?


I actually figured he'd drop Pence and Pick up Nikki Haley, but I'm guessing Haley didn't go along with that.

Oh.

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Postby Liriena » Wed May 29, 2019 10:15 am

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Galloism wrote:I always get worried when I unironically agree with you.


I don't think we have to worry about that. Oh, not the title but this passage should be important:

Charging Trump was "not an option" because Justice Department regulations prohibit charging a sitting president with a crime, Mueller said. His office was "bound by that policy."

This is as close as it gets to "impeach him".
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Postby Liriena » Wed May 29, 2019 10:15 am

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Ifreann wrote:The two are inseparable. Recall on what ideals the cornerstone of the Confederacy rests. Without their "peculiar institution" it wouldn't be the Confederacy. You may as well talk about restoring the Holy Roman Empire but without Christianity, or reviving the Soviet Union but with laissez faire capitalism.

But dear me, I'm talking about the Confederacy in the Trump thread. How positively irrelevant. Has the President been tweeting anything exciting today?


The CSA could absolutely be restored without slavery. While yes the original CSA had a slavery fetish, the CSA itself was a loose confederation of States operating independently from the United States of America, for about five minutes before they seized fort Sumpter and started a war.

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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 10:17 am

Liriena wrote:

This is as close as it gets to "impeach him".

Which will be drowned in the chorus shriek of "NOCOLLUSIONNOOBSTRUCTIONCOMPLETEANDTOTALEXONERATIONCASECLOSEDMOVEONPRESIDENTIALHARASSMENTDEMOCRATICREVENGE" and so on.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 29, 2019 10:19 am

Gormwood wrote:
Liriena wrote:This is as close as it gets to "impeach him".

Which will be drowned in the chorus shriek of "NOCOLLUSIONNOOBSTRUCTIONCOMPLETEANDTOTALEXONERATIONCASECLOSEDMOVEONPRESIDENTIALHARASSMENTDEMOCRATICREVENGE" and so on.


Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 10:20 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Which will be drowned in the chorus shriek of "NOCOLLUSIONNOOBSTRUCTIONCOMPLETEANDTOTALEXONERATIONCASECLOSEDMOVEONPRESIDENTIALHARASSMENTDEMOCRATICREVENGE" and so on.


Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Weren't you bragging about how an impeachment would help Trump just like it helped Clinton?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 29, 2019 10:21 am

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Tarsonis wrote:
Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Weren't you bragging about how an impeachment would help Trump just like it helped Clinton?

Clinton was impeached about half-way through his second term, in 1998.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 10:24 am

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Gormwood wrote:Weren't you bragging about how an impeachment would help Trump just like it helped Clinton?

Clinton was impeached about half-way through his second term, in 1998.

But the shambles let the Democrats retake the House and launched Gingrich out like a SCUD.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed May 29, 2019 10:30 am

Liriena wrote:

This is as close as it gets to "impeach him".

Sadly I don’t think you’d be able to get 2/3 of the Senate to convict him.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 29, 2019 10:31 am

Gormwood wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Clinton was impeached about half-way through his second term, in 1998.

But the shambles let the Democrats retake the House and launched Gingrich out like a SCUD.

Except the GOP still had control of the House after 1998 mid-terms. Gingrich was reprimanded by the GOP-led House in 1997, though only on one of the 80-some odd charges brought against him. He resigned from the House in January of 1999.

The Starr investigation and report, and the impeachment proceedings helped Clinton's popularity and may have been a factor in the Democratic gains in the House, that's all true, but Clinton wasn't a candidate for any sort of federal office any longer.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 29, 2019 11:24 am

Gormwood wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Weren't you bragging about how an impeachment would help Trump just like it helped Clinton?


Well impeachment didn’t help Clinton so no that weren’t me. However it could help the Democrats, if the evidence against him is undeniable. The Republicans cover for him anyway, it will sink their image completely with independents and even most of their base. But be warned, if the evidence isn’t there and the Democrats impeach anyway, Republicans dismiss and Trump makes out ahead of the treasonous unhinged Democrats
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Postby WhatsamattaU » Wed May 29, 2019 11:27 am

Ultimately, however brave Bob Mueller may have been in the past, today's action was quite cowardly. While DOJ OLC suggests that a sitting President shouldn't be indicted, he might have flatly recommended impeachment to Congress. He didn't. IMHO, Mueller is a partisan hack.
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Postby Nakena » Wed May 29, 2019 11:32 am

Mueller didn delievered what I wanted and thus he must be a partisan hack.

Even worse, looks like muh favored party has to actually set up some strategy of its own to win in 2020.

Shocking! Who could have foreseen this course of events?

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 11:33 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Which will be drowned in the chorus shriek of "NOCOLLUSIONNOOBSTRUCTIONCOMPLETEANDTOTALEXONERATIONCASECLOSEDMOVEONPRESIDENTIALHARASSMENTDEMOCRATICREVENGE" and so on.


Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Pelosi knows what she's doing. Stay the course. She's said over and over again she's not going to impeach and she won't. Meanwhile the specter of impeachment keeps that insecure child in a septuagenarian body flipping out and scoring own goals and the Democratic voters focused on an impeachment they can win, voting in 2020.

It's working. No need to fix what isn't broken.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 29, 2019 12:45 pm

WhatsamattaU wrote:Ultimately, however brave Bob Mueller may have been in the past, today's action was quite cowardly. While DOJ OLC suggests that a sitting President shouldn't be indicted, he might have flatly recommended impeachment to Congress. He didn't. IMHO, Mueller is a partisan hack.


Nah. He is rather honorable and did the honorable thing.

Your boy donnie is the hack.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Pelosi knows what she's doing. Stay the course. She's said over and over again she's not going to impeach and she won't. Meanwhile the specter of impeachment keeps that insecure child in a septuagenarian body flipping out and scoring own goals and the Democratic voters focused on an impeachment they can win, voting in 2020.

It's working. No need to fix what isn't broken.


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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 29, 2019 12:52 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Pelosi knows what she's doing. Stay the course. She's said over and over again she's not going to impeach and she won't. Meanwhile the specter of impeachment keeps that insecure child in a septuagenarian body flipping out and scoring own goals and the Democratic voters focused on an impeachment they can win, voting in 2020.

It's working. No need to fix what isn't broken.


Eh it could be working better. It’s alienating the main party from the Justice Democrats and you really need solidarity down the stretch
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 29, 2019 12:54 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Ultimately I say impeach him, throw down the Gauntlet Dems. I mean, you'll lose, but depending how you lose might actually help you.

Pelosi knows what she's doing. Stay the course. She's said over and over again she's not going to impeach and she won't. Meanwhile the specter of impeachment keeps that insecure child in a septuagenarian body flipping out and scoring own goals and the Democratic voters focused on an impeachment they can win, voting in 2020.

It's working. No need to fix what isn't broken.


It seems the Progressive part of the base doesn't see that though. Then again, they did call for his impeachment well before the investigation so...

But if they do try, I would imagine she'll squash it.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 1:10 pm

Pelosi is a tactician. If a smoking gun on Donnie comes out she'll flip to Impeach Mode in a heartbeat.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 1:15 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Pelosi knows what she's doing. Stay the course. She's said over and over again she's not going to impeach and she won't. Meanwhile the specter of impeachment keeps that insecure child in a septuagenarian body flipping out and scoring own goals and the Democratic voters focused on an impeachment they can win, voting in 2020.

It's working. No need to fix what isn't broken.


It seems the Progressive part of the base doesn't see that though. Then again, they did call for his impeachment well before the investigation so...

But if they do try, I would imagine she'll squash it.

That's their role. You think they're going to get all the way to 2020 and go, "Man, we didn't get an impeachment. I guess we just won't vote..."

No, they're gonna vote like maniacs.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 1:17 pm

Gormwood wrote:Pelosi is a tactician. If a smoking gun on Donnie comes out she'll flip to Impeach Mode in a heartbeat.

IF she thinks she can win. If it won't result in him being removed, she'll go for traditional removal in November 2020.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed May 29, 2019 1:22 pm

After 8 years of W. Bush the country was so fed up they actually made a black man President. They could make a woman or even a Muslim President after 4 or even 8 years of Donnie's Midas Shit Touch assuming he hasn't reduced the country to a doomsday prepper's wet dream by then.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed May 29, 2019 1:33 pm

I question Mueller's speech simply because just because he might believe they couldn't go after Trump it's like he's saying saying they couldn't indict ANYONE ELSE?
I question that mindset and it sounds like a cop out cause he's a broken man.

I think his problem was he went into the investigation expecting that Trump would have evidence laying around all over the place and that it'd be over by Christmas and when that didn't happen everyone investigating got bogged down in despair. That's why the investigation went on so long, they had the media, the democrats, the anti-Trump republicans, the parts of the world who hated that Trump won, they had all these people saying they had all the answers, and the pressure got to be too much, he could deliver no smoking gun, he could deliver a bunch of whatifs maybes, and "Well you could see it that way", but he knew that wouldn't be good enough.

So the Investigation went no where while trying to wait for the magic smoking gun to fall from the sky, or maybe he was hoping Trump would fire him to provide the smoking gun for obstruction but Trump's advisors didn't let him do that.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed May 29, 2019 1:33 pm

Gormwood wrote:After 8 years of W. Bush the country was so fed up they actually made a black man President. They could make a woman or even a Muslim President after 4 or even 8 years of Donnie's Midas Shit Touch assuming he hasn't reduced the country to a doomsday prepper's wet dream by then.

Well...okay actually Obama was in the lead before it happened, but setting the economy on fire on his way out the door and the Republican candidates fumbled response helped seal the deal.

Though he has over a year left to keep hammering at economy, he might break it yet. I'd rather he didn't and just get elected out without a bunch of people losing their jobs and homes and shit, though.

What do we have on deck? A woman with Indian ancestry (Kamala Harris you hacks, I know you wanted me to mean the 'other kind of Indian' so you could recycle material), a gay dude. Other women. Fuck it, the cars not full, lets load it up. Anyone who thought their unrelated parts of who they were disqualified them, climb on board. Now's your time.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 29, 2019 1:36 pm

Also now Trump wants to be impeached so he can appropriate the "wounded warrior" appellation from veterans for a boost.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 29, 2019 1:36 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:I question Mueller's speech simply because just because he might believe they couldn't go after Trump it's like he's saying saying they couldn't indict ANYONE ELSE?
I question that mindset and it sounds like a cop out cause he's a broken man.

Mueller did indict a bunch of other people.

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