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Gormwood wrote:

Galloism wrote:Personally, I'm glad that Trump is fulfilling Obama's campaign promise to hold China accountable:



https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... FQ20081029



https://thehill.com/video/campaign/2498 ... p-to-china


Glad to see Trump take up and continue the fight Obama promised and started in 2016:



https://www.ft.com/content/fed9f136-491 ... e9211e86ab

So Melania isn't the only Trump ripping off something from an Obama.

I wish she would divorce him

San Lumen wrote:

Gormwood wrote:So Melania isn't the only Trump ripping off something from an Obama.

I wish she would divorce him

Why? From what I can tell, she has had a rocky but loving marriage. She's been with him for ages too

Duhon wrote:Imagine being this petty.

I'm guessing that's the blatantly edited Pelosi video?

Duhon wrote:Imagine being this petty.

Man, talk about glass houses.

Vassenor wrote:

Duhon wrote:Imagine being this petty.

I'm guessing that's the blatantly edited Pelosi video?

It's sad he'll spread blatant bullshit without any thought.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Duhon wrote:Imagine being this petty.

Man, talk about glass houses.

"My house is made of the strongest steel and the thickest concrete, believe me."

Anyway, it seems Trump's directed the US intelligence community to cooperate with Barr over his investigation into Obama-era "spying" on the 2016 Trump presidential campaign, and indeed has given Barr the authority to declassify any and all info pertaining to it.

Democrats don't like it, apparently, and Barr's proven partisanship and ability to distort the facts to suit his master's (their is no more apt description) narrative does give me pause -- but apart from that, qhy be so apprehensive about such a probe?

Duhon wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Man, talk about glass houses.

"My house is made of the strongest steel and the thickest concrete, believe me."

Anyway, it seems Trump's directed the US intelligence community to cooperate with Barr over his investigation into Obama-era "spying" on the 2016 Trump presidential campaign, and indeed has given Barr the authority to declassify any and all info pertaining to it.

Democrats don't like it, apparently, and Barr's proven partisanship and ability to distort the facts to suit his master's (their is no more apt description) narrative does give me pause -- but apart from that, qhy be so apprehensive about such a probe?

Well, I mean, you gave the reason. The total and utter lack of trust. He just tweeted a video of someone stringing together natural conversational pauses as someone 'stammering' through a speech. Barr gave a summary that the guy who wrote the report had to come out and say was incorrect. It's not that they're afraid of what will be found, they're afraid of what will be made up.

San Lumen wrote:

Liriena wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/shaunking/status/1131332993090560000

Trump's concentration camps killed yet another child and they tried to cover it up.

and his supporters in rural america could care less

I gotta love this elitist urbanite yapping. Congrats on pigeonholing us rurals.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

San Lumen wrote:and his supporters in rural america could care less

I gotta love this elitist urbanite yapping. Congrats on pigeonholing us rurals.

I know, right? It's as if we rural folks aren't actually a red monolith and that there are liberal folks in "Middle America".

Shrillland wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I gotta love this elitist urbanite yapping. Congrats on pigeonholing us rurals.

I know, right? It's as if we rural folks aren't actually a red monolith and that there are liberal folks in "Middle America".

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing but contempt for Trumpian ruralites. But plenty of us are well on our way to class conciousness.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I have nothing but contempt for Trumpian ruralites. But plenty of us are well on our way to class conciousness.

Don't hold your breath for a communist revolution. The current upswell of populism resulted in Trump, and god knows who will become president if they figure out he doesn't give a shit about them. So becoming "class conscious"? Yeah probably. But there will be an uprising against gay rat weddings (see Arthur thread), and the ethnic group du jour before they attack the wealthy.

Galloism wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
You forget that the Chinese population will go back to living in huts and eating pig whisker soup long before the American population will accept a delay in the new iPhone. I'm not sure Trump knows this.

Fair, but I don't think Uncle Sam will really shove them over the cliff. The best maneuver is to keep them teetering on the edge until they blink.

Meanwhile... perhaps they hack into our electric grid and cause havoc, or something else. Why not think in terms of asymmetrical warfare if you're China? They know our archaic Spartan cliff strategy by now. Our people know they aren't stupid but our leader, well, they see he's sort of an amateur if not a tad nuts as well.

Bombadil wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Actually we export less to China than we import from them. We can slap a shit ton of tariffs on Chinese imports and they cannot match us

Killing US businesses that rely on those imports, you can't just switch business overnight, global trade is complex.

Brexit surely shows that.

Nakena wrote:

Gormwood wrote:So Melania isn't the only Trump ripping off something from an Obama.

Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

Yeah, there's zero proof this trade war nonsense is going to work, at all.

How about we wait until there's some results before jumping in and giving Trump even a single kudos.

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:

Galloism wrote:Fair, but I don't think Uncle Sam will really shove them over the cliff. The best maneuver is to keep them teetering on the edge until they blink.

Meanwhile... perhaps they hack into our electric grid and cause havoc, or something else. Why not think in terms of asymmetrical warfare if you're China? They know our archaic Spartan cliff strategy by now. Our prople know they aren't stupid but our leader, well, they see he's sort of nuts.

Oh this issue of tariffs. Long before China bends the US economy will crumble. A one on one trade war with the US and China isnt winnable and its really sad how many people think they know more than economic experts.

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:

Galloism wrote:Fair, but I don't think Uncle Sam will really shove them over the cliff. The best maneuver is to keep them teetering on the edge until they blink.

Meanwhile... perhaps they hack into our electric grid and cause havoc, or something else. Why not think in terms of asymmetrical warfare if you're China? They know our archaic Spartan cliff strategy by now. Our prople know they aren't stupid but our leader, well, they see he's sort of nuts.

After that whole Iran incident that was totes-totally-didn't-do-honest where a random segment of code just happened to spin their centrifuges to death, I'm not sure China would want to play that game either.

Galloism wrote:

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Meanwhile... perhaps they hack into our electric grid and cause havoc, or something else. Why not think in terms of asymmetrical warfare if you're China? They know our archaic Spartan cliff strategy by now. Our prople know they aren't stupid but our leader, well, they see he's sort of nuts.

After that whole Iran incident that was totes-totally-didn't-do-honest where a random segment of code just happened to spin their centrifuges to death, I'm not sure China would want to play that game either.

"Entire Chinese economy crashes after invisible program bricks every computer in China"

Galloism wrote:

The Rich Port wrote:
No, Papua New Guinea.

You know, cannibals and whatnot.

Ah ok, just so you know, women can drive in Saudi Arabia now.

Decapitations is probably the next thing to think about.

They drive to their jobs at the bone saw manufacturing plants and such.

Galloism wrote:

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Meanwhile... perhaps they hack into our electric grid and cause havoc, or something else. Why not think in terms of asymmetrical warfare if you're China? They know our archaic Spartan cliff strategy by now. Our prople know they aren't stupid but our leader, well, they see he's sort of nuts.

After that whole Iran incident that was totes-totally-didn't-do-honest where a random segment of code just happened to spin their centrifuges to death, I'm not sure China would want to play that game either.

But maybe they do. Is any of this worth the agony? I think not. Besides Walmart will instruct the politicians they've purchased to stop it before it reaches any critical mass.

Galloism wrote:After that whole Iran incident that was totes-totally-didn't-do-honest where a random segment of code just happened to spin their centrifuges to death, I'm not sure China would want to play that game either.

https://www.wired.com/2010/11/stuxnet-s ... ntrifuges/
Holy cow!

The Rich Port wrote:Yeah, there's zero proof this trade war nonsense is going to work, at all. How about we wait until there's some results before jumping in and giving Trump even a single kudos.

I'm not holding out much faith for ArtOfTheDeal man, but he's not the only one involved in these negotiations. After the decades of BS we have allowed China to get away with in the name of free trade, taking an adversarial stance is rather refreshing.

The Rich Port wrote:

Nakena wrote:
Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

Yeah, there's zero proof this trade war nonsense is going to work, at all.

How about we wait until there's some results before jumping in and giving Trump even a single kudos.

Donnie has a bigger need to claim credit for everything than ISIS.

The Rich Port wrote:

Nakena wrote:
Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

Yeah, there's zero proof this trade war nonsense is going to work, at all.

How about we wait until there's some results before jumping in and giving Trump even a single kudos.

Its not going to work. A one on one trade war between the US and and China is unwinnable

Galloism wrote:

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Meanwhile... perhaps they hack into our electric grid and cause havoc, or something else. Why not think in terms of asymmetrical warfare if you're China? They know our archaic Spartan cliff strategy by now. Our prople know they aren't stupid but our leader, well, they see he's sort of nuts.

After that whole Iran incident that was totes-totally-didn't-do-honest where a random segment of code just happened to spin their centrifuges to death, I'm not sure China would want to play that game either.

I feel like cyber warfare is already at MAD levels.

Alvecia wrote:

Galloism wrote:After that whole Iran incident that was totes-totally-didn't-do-honest where a random segment of code just happened to spin their centrifuges to death, I'm not sure China would want to play that game either.

I feel like cyber warfare is already at MAD levels.

Speaking from IT experience?

Something to remember next time he talks about how much the investigation that resulted in several indictments and convictions costs.

President Donald Trump's frequent trips to the golf course have cost taxpayers at least $102 million in travel and security expenses
...
That $102 million figure is 255 times the presidential salary that Trump declined to take