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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:21 pm
by Zurkerx
Ifreann wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Hmm, it seems that Trump can see no wrong in the military. Sounds like Pre-Geneva Convention mentality there. Not to mention: it's blatant favoritism for the military. Don't get me wrong, I respect our military and the people that serve; they put their lives on the line every day. However, this kind of behavior by this guy is disturbing and pardoning someone before their trial serves Justice no good.

Recall that Trump openly called for murdering the families of terrorists. Shit like this is what he wants to happen. He wants violence against [non-American] civilians.


Had to add that slight bit in there ;) , but yes, this is scary. Imagine what he would do at the border if no one was restricting him.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:33 pm
by Gormwood
Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

Got to kiss up to the military somehow after bone spurring himself out of Vietnam.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:37 pm
by Ifreann
Zurkerx wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Recall that Trump openly called for murdering the families of terrorists. Shit like this is what he wants to happen. He wants violence against [non-American] civilians.


Had to add that slight bit in there ;) , but yes, this is scary. Imagine what he would do at the border if no one was restricting him.

Not just foreigners. Remember when a protester was being removed from one of his rallies and he was saying that people used to get sent to the hospital for doing that? Remember when he told police officers that when they're putting people into their cars in cuffs, they don't need to keep them from banging their heads on the roof? Remember when he told an obviously fake anecdote about a cop telling him that if they were just allowed to get rough, they could clean the city up in 24 hours? Remember when he was going on about how he has the toughest supporters?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:39 pm
by Gormwood
Ifreann wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Had to add that slight bit in there ;) , but yes, this is scary. Imagine what he would do at the border if no one was restricting him.

Not just foreigners. Remember when a protester was being removed from one of his rallies and he was saying that people used to get sent to the hospital for doing that? Remember when he told police officers that when they're putting people into their cars in cuffs, they don't need to keep them from banging their heads on the roof? Remember when he told an obviously fake anecdote about a cop telling him that if they were just allowed to get rough, they could clean the city up in 24 hours? Remember when he was going on about how he has the toughest supporters?

A cowardly bully encouraging other cowardly bullies.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:43 pm
by Zurkerx
Ifreann wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Had to add that slight bit in there ;) , but yes, this is scary. Imagine what he would do at the border if no one was restricting him.

Not just foreigners. Remember when a protester was being removed from one of his rallies and he was saying that people used to get sent to the hospital for doing that? Remember when he told police officers that when they're putting people into their cars in cuffs, they don't need to keep them from banging their heads on the roof? Remember when he told an obviously fake anecdote about a cop telling him that if they were just allowed to get rough, they could clean the city up in 24 hours? Remember when he was going on about how he has the toughest supporters?


The bolden I don't recall, probably because there's so much Trump says, it's impossible to keep track. But there is a great empathizes on foreigners, and his political enemies. That, I think we can agree on. Eh, it's a dark time in American History: we'll look back ten years from now and shake our heads. This, I know because well, history tends to say so...

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:33 pm
by Sidesh0w B0b
Gormwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not just foreigners. Remember when a protester was being removed from one of his rallies and he was saying that people used to get sent to the hospital for doing that? Remember when he told police officers that when they're putting people into their cars in cuffs, they don't need to keep them from banging their heads on the roof? Remember when he told an obviously fake anecdote about a cop telling him that if they were just allowed to get rough, they could clean the city up in 24 hours? Remember when he was going on about how he has the toughest supporters?

A cowardly bully encouraging other cowardly bullies.


Wait til he gets his chicken hawk butt around to the Native Americans, on the reservations. He'll extort casino monies from them "for protection". He's probably bitter they operate casinos and make money, but he couldn't! :eyebrow:

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:02 pm
by Tobleste
Andsed wrote:
Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

My god. The idea of that fucking monster getting a pardon is disgusting. There is a huge difference between celebrating the brave men and women who risk their lives to fight against terrorism and defending war criminals and it seems that Trump does not get that.


I don't think they see a difference. It's the same with the police; corrupt and abusive practices are defended because cops and soldiers are 'good guys'. They're in authority and other people (a civilian girl, unarmed black people) deserve what they do to them.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:48 pm
by Tarsonis
Tobleste wrote:
Andsed wrote:My god. The idea of that fucking monster getting a pardon is disgusting. There is a huge difference between celebrating the brave men and women who risk their lives to fight against terrorism and defending war criminals and it seems that Trump does not get that.


I don't think they see a difference. It's the same with the police; corrupt and abusive practices are defended because cops and soldiers are 'good guys'. They're in authority and other people (a civilian girl, unarmed black people) deserve what they do to them.



Problem with Gallagher, is most of this stuff is just coming out, while his case has been around for quite some time. People have been petitioning for trump to quash the investigation for a while believing he’s been unfairly persecuted for doing his job, theres also evidence that allegedly supposedly exonerates him. The issue is nobody is really sure who is telling the truth where.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/05/09/rep ... ar-crimes/

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 4:14 pm
by Valrifell
Tarsonis wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I don't think they see a difference. It's the same with the police; corrupt and abusive practices are defended because cops and soldiers are 'good guys'. They're in authority and other people (a civilian girl, unarmed black people) deserve what they do to them.



Problem with Gallagher, is most of this stuff is just coming out, while his case has been around for quite some time. People have been petitioning for trump to quash the investigation for a while believing he’s been unfairly persecuted for doing his job, theres also evidence that allegedly supposedly exonerates him. The issue is nobody is really sure who is telling the truth where.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/05/09/rep ... ar-crimes/


Now if only there was a way to determine the truth and validity of such claims in a fair way... a trial of sorts...

Naaaaah.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 4:29 pm
by Sidesh0w B0b
Tarsonis wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I don't think they see a difference. It's the same with the police; corrupt and abusive practices are defended because cops and soldiers are 'good guys'. They're in authority and other people (a civilian girl, unarmed black people) deserve what they do to them.



Problem with Gallagher, is most of this stuff is just coming out, while his case has been around for quite some time. People have been petitioning for trump to quash the investigation for a while believing he’s been unfairly persecuted for doing his job, theres also evidence that allegedly supposedly exonerates him. The issue is nobody is really sure who is telling the truth where.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/05/09/rep ... ar-crimes/


Funny how that also keeps happening with anything having to do with Trump. Either exonerate or allegedly is gonna be the word of the year.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 4:31 pm
by Tarsonis
Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Problem with Gallagher, is most of this stuff is just coming out, while his case has been around for quite some time. People have been petitioning for trump to quash the investigation for a while believing he’s been unfairly persecuted for doing his job, theres also evidence that allegedly supposedly exonerates him. The issue is nobody is really sure who is telling the truth where.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/05/09/rep ... ar-crimes/


Now if only there was a way to determine the truth and validity of such claims in a fair way... a trial of sorts...

Naaaaah.


Oh I agree. I’m just saying it’s not as clear cut a case of Trump exhonerating Monsters as the troop is making it sound

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 4:51 pm
by Telconi
Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Now if only there was a way to determine the truth and validity of such claims in a fair way... a trial of sorts...

Naaaaah.


Oh I agree. I’m just saying it’s not as clear cut a case of Trump exhonerating Monsters as the troop is making it sound


Wait, the truth is more complex than the canned lines of rabble rousers? When did this happen?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:25 pm
by Zurkerx
Deutsche Bank employees reported suspicious activity from Trump and Kushner

These claims were rejected by the executives. It should also be noted that this doesn't mean the transactions were improper, but this does raise red flags, especially since it's between 2016-2017. It also should be noted none of this was reported to the US Treasury, aka, their Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:28 pm
by Ifreann
Tarsonis wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
I don't think they see a difference. It's the same with the police; corrupt and abusive practices are defended because cops and soldiers are 'good guys'. They're in authority and other people (a civilian girl, unarmed black people) deserve what they do to them.



Problem with Gallagher, is most of this stuff is just coming out, while his case has been around for quite some time. People have been petitioning for trump to quash the investigation for a while believing he’s been unfairly persecuted for doing his job, theres also evidence that allegedly supposedly exonerates him. The issue is nobody is really sure who is telling the truth where.

https://fox5sandiego.com/2019/05/09/rep ... ar-crimes/

Which only makes it worse that Trump is considering pardoning him before this goes to trial. And, of course, Gallagher isn't the only person Trump is possibly going to pardon.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:05 pm
by Valrifell
Telconi wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Oh I agree. I’m just saying it’s not as clear cut a case of Trump exhonerating Monsters as the troop is making it sound


Wait, the truth is more complex than the canned lines of rabble rousers? When did this happen?


Nonsense, Trump pardoning someone accused of heinous crimes before the trial is what really riles folks up. He's already made a decision, that's not justice and is, in fact, another point to why the Presidential pardon was actually kind of a shit idea.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:15 pm
by Bombadil
Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Wait, the truth is more complex than the canned lines of rabble rousers? When did this happen?


Nonsense, Trump pardoning someone accused of heinous crimes before the trial is what really riles folks up. He's already made a decision, that's not justice and is, in fact, another point to why the Presidential pardon was actually kind of a shit idea.


I wonder why Trump is pardoning a guy who was convicted of fraud and obstruction of justice - i.e. Conrad Black - and then people who broke the law before they go to trial..

..it's like he's trying to tell us something.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:32 pm
by Galloism
Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

I do believe I found a post that probably sums up trump’s feelings.

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Chucking things at people is assault, unless the law changed very recently.

I'm sure it is. But sometimes a thing is a crime and I don't care.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:45 pm
by Ifreann
Galloism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

I do believe I found a post that probably sums up trump’s feelings.

Ifreann wrote:I'm sure it is. But sometimes a thing is a crime and I don't care.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Donald Trump didn't care that it is a crime to shoot a child in the stomach while she picked flowers. I'd would be more surprised if Trump did care that it is a crime to stab to death a child who is in the custody of the Iraqi military than if he didn't.

I feel like you must think that this is some dreadfully clever point, to be quoting my own post back at me. But you're quoting me talking about throwing milkshakes at Nigel Farage as a clever comparison to me talking about Trump planning to pardon a man accused of, among other things, violently murdering children.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:50 pm
by Galloism
Ifreann wrote:
Galloism wrote:I do believe I found a post that probably sums up trump’s feelings.


I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Donald Trump didn't care that it is a crime to shoot a child in the stomach while she picked flowers. I'd would be more surprised if Trump did care that it is a crime to stab to death a child who is in the custody of the Iraqi military than if he didn't.

I feel like you must think that this is some dreadfully clever point, to be quoting my own post back at me. But you're quoting me talking about throwing milkshakes at Nigel Farage as a clever comparison to me talking about Trump planning to pardon a man accused of, among other things, violently murdering children.

I merely felt it was an accurate sum up - some people don’t care about certain crimes so long as the “right” people are the ones getting the brunt of it.

For trump, I’m pretty sure the “right” people are liberals and most foreigners.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 9:12 pm
by Ifreann
Galloism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Donald Trump didn't care that it is a crime to shoot a child in the stomach while she picked flowers. I'd would be more surprised if Trump did care that it is a crime to stab to death a child who is in the custody of the Iraqi military than if he didn't.

I feel like you must think that this is some dreadfully clever point, to be quoting my own post back at me. But you're quoting me talking about throwing milkshakes at Nigel Farage as a clever comparison to me talking about Trump planning to pardon a man accused of, among other things, violently murdering children.

I merely felt it was an accurate sum up - some people don’t care about certain crimes so long as the “right” people are the ones getting the brunt of it.

For trump, I’m pretty sure the “right” people are liberals and most foreigners.

And it just so happened that the best summation of the idea that Trump doesn't care about foreigners or liberals that you could think of was to quote my post, my post about throwing milkshakes Nigel Farage, from a thread that you don't normally participate in. Of course, for all I know you routinely read the UK politics thread and only rarely post, and that was why you had my post in that thread fresh in your mind when you read my post about a sailor doing war crimes. For all I know it's a complete coincidence that you're aware of that post of mine that's two pages back from the most current page of the UK politics thread. I'm sure that's the most likely explanation.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 10:01 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts
Galloism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

I do believe I found a post that probably sums up trump’s feelings.

Ifreann wrote:I'm sure it is. But sometimes a thing is a crime and I don't care.

Oh, this Ed?
"Pretty much they had 9 people saying he did something wrong but did not show up to testify because they themselves may have done something wrong."

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 10:57 pm
by Galloism
Ifreann wrote:
Galloism wrote:I merely felt it was an accurate sum up - some people don’t care about certain crimes so long as the “right” people are the ones getting the brunt of it.

For trump, I’m pretty sure the “right” people are liberals and most foreigners.

And it just so happened that the best summation of the idea that Trump doesn't care about foreigners or liberals that you could think of was to quote my post, my post about throwing milkshakes Nigel Farage, from a thread that you don't normally participate in. Of course, for all I know you routinely read the UK politics thread and only rarely post, and that was why you had my post in that thread fresh in your mind when you read my post about a sailor doing war crimes. For all I know it's a complete coincidence that you're aware of that post of mine that's two pages back from the most current page of the UK politics thread. I'm sure that's the most likely explanation.

I read the UK thread regularly. I enjoy it - it’s so refreshingly tame compared with our shitshow.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:14 pm
by Senkaku
Galloism wrote:
Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

I do believe I found a post that probably sums up trump’s feelings.

Ifreann wrote:I'm sure it is. But sometimes a thing is a crime and I don't care.

Comparing pegging someone with a milkshake with murdering POWs and civilians doesn't seem like it's maybe a bridge too far, eh?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:22 pm
by Gormwood
Senkaku wrote:
Galloism wrote:I do believe I found a post that probably sums up trump’s feelings.


Comparing pegging someone with a milkshake with murdering POWs and civilians doesn't seem like it's maybe a bridge too far, eh?

Throwing milkshake is murder. *nod*

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 11:27 pm
by Galloism
Gormwood wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Comparing pegging someone with a milkshake with murdering POWs and civilians doesn't seem like it's maybe a bridge too far, eh?

Throwing milkshake is murder. *nod*

Well thank the lord they didn’t teach a dog to respond to “gas the Jews”, or they’d be in real trouble.