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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:28 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I didnt consider Obama mean


which is irrelevant.


Do you have a mortgage?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I expected the next recession to happen in two or three years. If we're lucky, it'll be a short one like 1990.


Difficult to say. With an unstable world market, a Federal government acting like petulent chidlren, idiotic financial policy on piling on top of idiotic financial policy, and a US economy propped up more by absurd optimism and good feelings, we are facing one hell of a wild ride. Mr. Bones will be more than happy to oblige, I'm afraid.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:22 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
which is irrelevant.


Do you have a mortgage?


who cares about government workers after all? They support the shutdown according to Trump. And there are military members not getting paid. The Coast Guard is currently working without pay.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Do you have a mortgage?


who cares about government workers after all? They support the shutdown according to Trump. And there are military members not getting paid. The Coast Guard is currently working without pay.


Well, let's hope your irrational fear of guns goes away, because there is now a non-zero chance of the US setting itself alight.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:31 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
who cares about government workers after all? They support the shutdown according to Trump. And there are military members not getting paid. The Coast Guard is currently working without pay.


Well, let's hope your irrational fear of guns goes away, because there is now a non-zero chance of the US setting itself alight.

I am baffled by individuals who hate the government and support gun control. Guns fix bad government when supplied in great quantity.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:32 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
who cares about government workers after all? They support the shutdown according to Trump. And there are military members not getting paid. The Coast Guard is currently working without pay.


Well, let's hope your irrational fear of guns goes away, because there is now a non-zero chance of the US setting itself alight.


And you get that notion from where? What's the Coast Guard going to do?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Well, let's hope your irrational fear of guns goes away, because there is now a non-zero chance of the US setting itself alight.


And you get that notion from where? What's the Coast Guard going to do?


You can keep sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalala the US will never collapse!", but you cannot deny that the US has become polarized and broken, and the entirety of the damn structure will come crashing down like a Jenga tower when one loose screw decides he has nothing to lose by going completely rogue.

The system will inevitably collapse into flames unless a dire set of reforms are brought to the table, and this wouldn't be a set of reforms that "just deh Democrats" or "just deh Republicans" can implement by themselves, it has to be a bipartisan effort.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Every President is mean, get over it.


I didnt consider Obama mean

Maybe because you weren’t on the receiving end of a drone strike.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:11 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I didnt consider Obama mean

Maybe because you weren’t on the receiving end of a drone strike.

I mean, if that had been the criteria for not liking Obama, then his approval ratings would've been a lot higher lol
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:43 am

Senkaku wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Maybe because you weren’t on the receiving end of a drone strike.

I mean, if that had been the criteria for not liking Obama, then his approval ratings would've been a lot higher lol

Not in the countries he bombed...
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:22 am

San Lumen wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Well, let's hope your irrational fear of guns goes away, because there is now a non-zero chance of the US setting itself alight.


And you get that notion from where? What's the Coast Guard going to do?

Stop trade from flowing
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Postby Big Jim P » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So has "But Trump is a meanieface!"


Right now he is being mean by depriving people of paychecks and shutting down important parts of the government over his stupid wall.

If it goes on for a extended period you could have a ATC strike and Trump is not prepared to deal with the catastrophe that would be.


The people losing the paychecks (temporarily. They get their back-pay when the government is restarted) are non-essential personnel. There should be no non-essential personnel or non-essential government functions in the firs place.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:24 am

Big Jim P wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Right now he is being mean by depriving people of paychecks and shutting down important parts of the government over his stupid wall.

If it goes on for a extended period you could have a ATC strike and Trump is not prepared to deal with the catastrophe that would be.


The people losing the paychecks (temporarily. They get their back-pay when the government is restarted) are non-essential personnel. There should be no non-essential personnel or non-essential government functions in the firs place.

I wouldn’t call ATC non-essential.

And yes even essential government employees like the TSA, ATC, Coast Gaurd, and others do not get paid during a shutdown. They hope that they will get backpay.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:27 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
The people losing the paychecks (temporarily. They get their back-pay when the government is restarted) are non-essential personnel. There should be no non-essential personnel or non-essential government functions in the firs place.

I wouldn’t call ATC non-essential.

And yes even essential government employees like the TSA, ATC, Coast Gaurd, and others do not get paid during a shutdown. They hope that they will get backpay.

And if they don't, they go revolt. ;)
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:31 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I wouldn’t call ATC non-essential.

And yes even essential government employees like the TSA, ATC, Coast Gaurd, and others do not get paid during a shutdown. They hope that they will get backpay.

And if they don't, they go revolt. ;)

Thermodolia hopes they go revolt.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:And if they don't, they go revolt. ;)

Thermodolia hopes they go revolt.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:41 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Thermodolia hopes they go revolt.

You get a revolution! And you get a revolution! Everyone gets a revolution!!

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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:42 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Thermodolia hopes they go revolt.

You get a revolution! And you get a revolution! Everyone gets a revolution!!

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Biden and Trump are traitors to America.
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and is actively stripping away your constitutional rights.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:48 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
The people losing the paychecks (temporarily. They get their back-pay when the government is restarted) are non-essential personnel. There should be no non-essential personnel or non-essential government functions in the firs place.

I wouldn’t call ATC non-essential.

And yes even essential government employees like the TSA, ATC, Coast Gaurd, and others do not get paid during a shutdown. They hope that they will get backpay.

Most ATC'ers are paid by through the states, or by private airports. ATC in this case would most certainly only mean federal ATC'ers on military bases.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:59 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And you get that notion from where? What's the Coast Guard going to do?

Stop trade from flowing

How are they going to do that?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:59 am

San Carlos Islands wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I wouldn’t call ATC non-essential.

And yes even essential government employees like the TSA, ATC, Coast Gaurd, and others do not get paid during a shutdown. They hope that they will get backpay.

Most ATC'ers are paid by through the states, or by private airports. ATC in this case would most certainly only mean federal ATC'ers on military bases.

So atc’s at JFK in New York are still getting paid?

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Postby San Carlos Islands » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
San Carlos Islands wrote:Most ATC'ers are paid by through the states, or by private airports. ATC in this case would most certainly only mean federal ATC'ers on military bases.

So atc’s at JFK in New York are still getting paid?

It's just my assumption, I'm reading on it. But I'm assuming since JFK is owned by the Port Authority of NY and NJ which seems to be exclusively state funded.
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:09 am

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates JFK, is a self-supporting corporate agency. That sounds to me non-federal. With that, they're getting paid.

Air Traffic Controllers being one of the most actively unionized jobtitles, I would expect a strike if they really weren't getting paid. This hasn't seemed to happen.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:29 am

While visiting troops in Iraq, Trump said that the US was no longer going to be fighting for other countries without reimbursement.

So, I guess Trump is going to try and make Iraq pay for being invaded by America.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:33 am

Ifreann wrote:While visiting troops in Iraq, Trump said that the US was no longer going to be fighting for other countries without reimbursement.

So, I guess Trump is going to try and make Iraq pay for being invaded by America.


Good luck with that and what a stupid thing for him to say. I can't believe anyone in the military supports him.

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