MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Andsed]

I would not be to worried about an US-Iranian war anytime soon. Sure the US would win but we would gain nothing and annoy our allies and give our enemies some nice propaganda ammunition. I doubt even Trump is dumb enough to start a war. At most he will do a bit of warmongering and then try to use reactions on the left to attack them.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

You're saying this like the US isn't run by the party of anti-globalism.

True, but I'm talking about what Europe would do, not what we would do.

I assumed that you were referring to the United States when you said "one big gear".

[Gormwood]

You sound like you believe Trump is aware of that.

Imagine believing the head of a multinational corporation doesn't understand economies are intertwined....

How many corporate executives regularly bankrupt businesses and lose the most amount of money in their home country?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

If someone believes the lies of Trump, that's not on the liberals.

And how would that matter, come election time?

You don't think Trump's persistent lying will come back to bite him?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

You sound like you believe Trump is aware of that.

Imagine believing the head of a multinational corporation doesn't understand economies are intertwined....

He understands the concept insofar as he understands that he can sell things to other countries. I doubt that he grasps the intricacies of global trade.

[The Black Forrest]

And how would that matter, come election time?

You don't think Trump's persistent lying will come back to bite him?

Nope. His followers pretty much give him a pass (fake news, taken out of context, liberal media, blah blah blah).

[Tarsonis]

And how would that matter, come election time?

You don't think Trump's persistent lying will come back to bite him?

That's not the point. It doesn't matter if the libs don't buy his lies. What what matters is people believing him and voting for him. If the Liberals are going to play into his hands, they're going to give him the election. During the Bleeding Kansas affair, Free-staters boycotted the runoff elections claiming them illegitimate. Well tough shit they boycotted and the slavers won the election. It doesn't matter if you can hold your head high, a loss is a loss.

[Valrifell]

You don't think Trump's persistent lying will come back to bite him?

That's not the point. It doesn't matter if the libs don't buy his lies. What what matters is people believing him and voting for him. If the Liberals are going to play into his hands, they're going to give him the election. During the Bleeding Kansas affair, Free-staters boycotted the runoff elections claiming them illegitimate. Well tough shit they boycotted and the slavers won the election. It doesn't matter if you can hold your head high, a loss is a loss.

The Free-Staters also eventually came out on top so maybe not the best example.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And how would that matter, come election time?

You don't think Trump's persistent lying will come back to bite him?

You have to remember, most people don't keep up religiously with every fuck up the president does.

They just see the effects around them, and so far no Big Bad has happened for most people. Life has kept on going more or less like normal in the 4 years Trump has been president. No economic collapse, but also no bad things happening to their personal finances or personal lifestyles.

So, people are not gonna be so convinced a Trump re-election is a bad thing.

[Tarsonis]

That's not the point. It doesn't matter if the libs don't buy his lies. What what matters is people believing him and voting for him. If the Liberals are going to play into his hands, they're going to give him the election. During the Bleeding Kansas affair, Free-staters boycotted the runoff elections claiming them illegitimate. Well tough shit they boycotted and the slavers won the election. It doesn't matter if you can hold your head high, a loss is a loss.

The Free-Staters also eventually came out on top so maybe not the best example.

After a violent civil war. Surely you're not advocating such an outcome is ideal.

[Valrifell]

You don't think Trump's persistent lying will come back to bite him?

You have to remember, most people don't keep up religiously with every fuck up the president does.

They just see the effects around them, and so far no Big Bad has happened for most people. Life has kept on going more or less like normal in the 4 years Trump has been president. No economic collapse, but also no bad things happening to their personal finances or personal lifestyles.

So, people are not gonna be so convinced a Trump re-election is a bad thing.

If this were true his approvals would, on average, be more average and less trash than they've been. Maybe even at any given point he'd be above water.

I emphasize again that his numbers in every state are low for such a strong economy, the only logical conclusion is that people are at least paying a little attention to his shenanigans and don't like it. The "nobody cares about Trump's personal failings" is so wrong that I have to assume anyone who peddles it is projecting themselves onto the electorate.

[Valrifell]

The Free-Staters also eventually came out on top so maybe not the best example.

After a violent civil war. Surely you're not advocating such an outcome is ideal.

Wrong again. Bleeding Kansas was underway before the Lecompton Constitution and Kansas was admitted to the Union before the Civil War started.

[Tarsonis]

After a violent civil war. Surely you're not advocating such an outcome is ideal.

Wrong again. Bleeding Kansas was underway before the Lecompton Constitution and Kansas was admitted to the Union before the Civil War started.

I stand corrected

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You have to remember, most people don't keep up religiously with every fuck up the president does.

They just see the effects around them, and so far no Big Bad has happened for most people. Life has kept on going more or less like normal in the 4 years Trump has been president. No economic collapse, but also no bad things happening to their personal finances or personal lifestyles.

So, people are not gonna be so convinced a Trump re-election is a bad thing.

If this were true his approvals would, on average, be more average and less trash than they've been. Maybe even at any given point he'd be above water.

I emphasize again that his numbers in every state are low for such a strong economy, the only logical conclusion is that people are at least paying a little attention to his shenanigans and don't like it. The "nobody cares about Trump's personal failings" is so wrong that I have to assume anyone who peddles it is projecting themselves onto the electorate.

It's not so much that they don't care.

Is that low approval ratings won't affect him one way or another if the candidate the Democratic party chooses to run is a trash candidate. Trump, against a strong contender, has no chance. But, as many pundits have said over the last couple months, this is an election Trump can't win, but Dems can lose.

It's the same thing that happened to Beto in Texas, unironically. Cruz had no chance to win, but it was Beto's election to lose, and lose he did.

[Cekoviu]

If this were true his approvals would, on average, be more average and less trash than they've been. Maybe even at any given point he'd be above water.

I emphasize again that his numbers in every state are low for such a strong economy, the only logical conclusion is that people are at least paying a little attention to his shenanigans and don't like it. The "nobody cares about Trump's personal failings" is so wrong that I have to assume anyone who peddles it is projecting themselves onto the electorate.

It's not so much that they don't care.

Is that low approval ratings won't affect him one way or another if the candidate the Democratic party chooses to run is a trash candidate. Trump, against a strong contender, has no chance. But, as many pundits have said over the last couple months, this is an election Trump can't win, but Dems can lose.

It's the same thing that happened to Beto in Texas, unironically. Cruz had no chance to win, but it was Beto's election to lose, and lose he did.

>Cruz had no chance to win
>in Texas
does not compute

[Zurkerx]

If this were true his approvals would, on average, be more average and less trash than they've been. Maybe even at any given point he'd be above water.

I emphasize again that his numbers in every state are low for such a strong economy, the only logical conclusion is that people are at least paying a little attention to his shenanigans and don't like it. The "nobody cares about Trump's personal failings" is so wrong that I have to assume anyone who peddles it is projecting themselves onto the electorate.

It's not so much that they don't care.

Is that low approval ratings won't affect him one way or another if the candidate the Democratic party chooses to run is a trash candidate. Trump, against a strong contender, has no chance. But, as many pundits have said over the last couple months, this is an election Trump can't win, but Dems can lose.

It's the same thing that happened to Beto in Texas, unironically. Cruz had no chance to win, but it was Beto's election to lose, and lose he did.

Hmm, I do agree. Then what kind of candidates do you believe are strong enough to take down Trump? Biden? Sanders? Harris? Buttigieg?

[Galloism]

It's not so much that they don't care.

Is that low approval ratings won't affect him one way or another if the candidate the Democratic party chooses to run is a trash candidate. Trump, against a strong contender, has no chance. But, as many pundits have said over the last couple months, this is an election Trump can't win, but Dems can lose.

It's the same thing that happened to Beto in Texas, unironically. Cruz had no chance to win, but it was Beto's election to lose, and lose he did.

Hmm, I do agree. Then what kind of candidates do you believe are strong enough to take down Trump? Biden? Sanders? Harris? Buttigieg?

I'm going with Bernie as best choice.

Biden has some things to answer for on trade that he's going to have a horrible time on.
Harris has some things to answer for regarding actual civil rights (IE, illegally withholding evidence from the defense, etc).
Buttigieg... other than Buttigieg insulted Bernie Sanders supporters and accused them of working and voting in bad faith, I don't have anything bad to say about him yet.

I could live with Warren as a second choice. She has some good ideas too.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's not so much that they don't care.

Is that low approval ratings won't affect him one way or another if the candidate the Democratic party chooses to run is a trash candidate. Trump, against a strong contender, has no chance. But, as many pundits have said over the last couple months, this is an election Trump can't win, but Dems can lose.

It's the same thing that happened to Beto in Texas, unironically. Cruz had no chance to win, but it was Beto's election to lose, and lose he did.

>Cruz had no chance to win
>in Texas
does not compute

Unironically, a more milquetoast or even a blue dog Democrat would have had a better chance at winning than Beto did.

All he had to do was not be so radical on some of his positions.

[Duhon]

I would not be to worried about an US-Iranian war anytime soon. Sure the US would win but we would gain nothing and annoy our allies and give our enemies some nice propaganda ammunition. I doubt even Trump is dumb enough to start a war. At most he will do a bit of warmongering and then try to use reactions on the left to attack them.

I would because Trump Bolton.

[Pizza Girl]

There was a poll at the beginning of May from Arizona.

https://ohpredictive.com/press-releases ... n-arizona/

Trump was beating every Democrat running by at least 5 points. Except Joe Biden. He was ahead of Trump by 5 points IN ARIZONA.

Biden uber alles.

[Thuzbekistan]

It's not so much that they don't care.

Is that low approval ratings won't affect him one way or another if the candidate the Democratic party chooses to run is a trash candidate. Trump, against a strong contender, has no chance. But, as many pundits have said over the last couple months, this is an election Trump can't win, but Dems can lose.

It's the same thing that happened to Beto in Texas, unironically. Cruz had no chance to win, but it was Beto's election to lose, and lose he did.

Hmm, I do agree. Then what kind of candidates do you believe are strong enough to take down Trump? Biden? Sanders? Harris? Buttigieg?

The better question is "which one matches your beliefs best?" And if they win, good. Support them in general election. If not, support the candidate that you like more. I hate the primaries only worrying about electability.

[Duhon]

It should be about trying to woo the more detachable parts of Trump's base away from him; hate him or loathe him, he still has the advantage. Nothing short of decisive loss will make his bitch fits ring hollow.

[Pizza Girl]

It should be about trying to woo the more detachable parts of Trump's base away from him; hate him or loathe him, he still has the advantage. Nothing short of decisive loss will make his bitch fits ring hollow.

The Biden phenomena.

[Thuzbekistan]

It should be about trying to woo the more detachable parts of Trump's base away from him; hate him or loathe him, he still has the advantage. Nothing short of decisive loss will make his bitch fits ring hollow.

But shouldnt the goal be to elect a better president rather than one with (D)?

[Pizza Girl]

It should be about trying to woo the more detachable parts of Trump's base away from him; hate him or loathe him, he still has the advantage. Nothing short of decisive loss will make his bitch fits ring hollow.

But shouldnt the goal be to elect a better president rather than one with (D)?

People vote for their reasons not yours.