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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Then let him insist on it. Hes not getting it.


Then those workers stay furloughed forever.


Neither party wants the Great Wall of Trump.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Any standard we wanna keep that guy to? At all? Like, perhaps use his power for the common good like he was elected to do?


I don't know if a 'common good' exists...

Some policies are objectively better than other policies, yes?
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:33 pm

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/26/poli ... index.html

This is good. Props to him for doing this.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:35 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/26/politics/donald-trump-iraq-visit/index.html

This is good. Props to him for doing this.


Has he had shoes thrown at him yet?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:36 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/26/politics/donald-trump-iraq-visit/index.html

This is good. Props to him for doing this.


And due to his shutdown they aren't getting paid. They ought to show him disrespect
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:40 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't know if a 'common good' exists...

Some policies are objectively better than other policies, yes?


No.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Some policies are objectively better than other policies, yes?


No.

If I can build a wall for a billion dollars, that is not objectively better than doing it for two billion dollars?

San Lumen wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/26/politics/donald-trump-iraq-visit/index.html

This is good. Props to him for doing this.


And due to his shutdown they aren't getting paid. They ought to show him disrespect

The DoD is not affected by the shutdown.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:45 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No.

If I can build a wall for a billion dollars, that is not objectively better than doing it for two billion dollars?

San Lumen wrote:
And due to his shutdown they aren't getting paid. They ought to show him disrespect

The DoD is not affected by the shutdown.


I thought military members weren't getting paid. If im wrong then I apologize for my comment

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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:45 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No.

If I can build a wall for a billion dollars, that is not objectively better than doing it for two billion dollars?

San Lumen wrote:
And due to his shutdown they aren't getting paid. They ought to show him disrespect

The DoD is not affected by the shutdown.


It is not.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:47 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If I can build a wall for a billion dollars, that is not objectively better than doing it for two billion dollars?


The DoD is not affected by the shutdown.


It is not.

So... why then have government? Why discuss politics if, in the end, we can just shout ‘it’s objective!’ and stick our heads in the sand?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:49 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It is not.

So... why then have government? Why discuss politics if, in the end, we can just shout ‘it’s objective!’ and stick our heads in the sand?


To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:So... why then have government? Why discuss politics if, in the end, we can just shout ‘it’s objective!’ and stick our heads in the sand?


To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power.


Why have government at all then? Or why have elections?

Only those I like ought to be allowed to hold the reigns of power. That's your sentiment with that statement

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:So... why then have government? Why discuss politics if, in the end, we can just shout ‘it’s objective!’ and stick our heads in the sand?


To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power.

Then why discuss politics? If it is just a matter of power?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:53 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power.

Then why discuss politics? If it is just a matter of power?


Very few Americans actually discuss politics nowadays tbf, echo chambers are all the rage.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:56 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power.

Then why discuss politics? If it is just a matter of power?


Well, to convince others to take a particular side.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Then why discuss politics? If it is just a matter of power?


Well, to convince others to take a particular side.

And there was an election and the people chose a split congress. Your side lost and lost bigly in your state in particular

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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well, to convince others to take a particular side.

And there was an election and the people chose a split congress. Your side lost and lost bigly in your state in particular


Yes, I am aware, just as aware of it as I was last time you felt the need to gloat.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Then why discuss politics? If it is just a matter of power?


Well, to convince others to take a particular side.

And then, what decides what side you are on?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:02 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well, to convince others to take a particular side.

And then, what decides what side you are on?


Beliefs, values, morals.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And there was an election and the people chose a split congress. Your side lost and lost bigly in your state in particular


Yes, I am aware, just as aware of it as I was last time you felt the need to gloat.

I dont consider that gloating.

when you espouse this: Government exists "To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power." comes off as only those I agree ought to hold the reigns of power and no one else.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, I am aware, just as aware of it as I was last time you felt the need to gloat.

I dont consider that gloating.

when you espouse this: Government exists "To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power." comes off as only those I agree ought to hold the reigns of power and no one else.


At the end of the day everything thinks that.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:And then, what decides what side you are on?


Beliefs, values, morals.

So, when a 40 billion dollar border wall goes against ones beliefs, values, morals, saying that Trump should drop the idea, maybe that is allowed?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, I am aware, just as aware of it as I was last time you felt the need to gloat.

I dont consider that gloating.

when you espouse this: Government exists "To enforce the beliefs of those in power on those not in power." comes off as only those I agree ought to hold the reigns of power and no one else.

Your one to talk. You don’t want a democratic voting system because it would be for a small minority.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:10 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Beliefs, values, morals.

So, when a 40 billion dollar border wall goes against ones beliefs, values, morals, saying that Trump should drop the idea, maybe that is allowed?


I don't recall saying it isn't...
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Postby Duhon » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:16 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/26/politics/donald-trump-iraq-visit/index.html

This is good. Props to him for doing this.


Let's not give props to a dick whose notion of goodness, of the public welfare, is only incidental, a side effect of him puffing himself up for his choir.

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