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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:47 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.

If they do, they get fired. Wtf do you think these kinds of employers care?

they could refuse to leave or stand up to the asshole owner

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu May 30, 2019 4:48 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No

Yeah who cares if two planes collide because their where not enough ATC's in the tower or a bomb gets through at a major airport? Better to let them strike right for you radical agenda?

In reality the planes would be grounded and the airports closed

Well, in reality they’d probably be replaced by National Guard or USAF scabs.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu May 30, 2019 4:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:1. By not supporting the only tools of the workers that have ever improved their position.

2. If global trade is built on the backs of mistreated workers, then it's better to not be just disrupted, but destroyed.


The great depression and Hitler say hello because that's what collapsing everything would lead too

:roll:
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Postby Ngelmish » Thu May 30, 2019 4:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.


...I don't think you actually understand how mistreated workers get the leverage to actually obtain better treatment. There aren't many options.

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Postby Nakena » Thu May 30, 2019 4:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:1. By not supporting the only tools of the workers that have ever improved their position.

2. If global trade is built on the backs of mistreated workers, then it's better to not be just disrupted, but destroyed.


The great depression and Hitler say hello because that's what collapsing everything would lead too


So that means Future-Hitler is already amongst us.

Probably somewhere on 4chan or maybe even on NSG.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu May 30, 2019 4:49 pm

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Thuzbekistan wrote:If they do, they get fired. Wtf do you think these kinds of employers care?

they could refuse to leave or stand up to the asshole owner

Aka strike. Sit ins are a form of strike. Christ.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 30, 2019 4:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:If they do, they get fired. Wtf do you think these kinds of employers care?

they could refuse to leave or stand up to the asshole owner


That's also a strike, though, a sit-down strike. Which is illegal thanks to Taft-Hartley, the same law that you're championing at the moment for forbidding workers from industrial action if it endangers public safety or health.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 30, 2019 4:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:1. By not supporting the only tools of the workers that have ever improved their position.

2. If global trade is built on the backs of mistreated workers, then it's better to not be just disrupted, but destroyed.


The great depression and Hitler say hello because that's what collapsing everything would lead too

Reminder that Hitler came to power because of revanchism, racism, and anti-Semitism. The bad economy was just icing on the cake. Also the Nazis had a good deal of power by 1929.

Also also the fact that you are trying to tie workers standing up for themselves to the Nazis speaks volumes
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 30, 2019 4:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The great depression and Hitler say hello because that's what collapsing everything would lead too


So that means Future-Hitler is already amongst us.

Probably somewhere on 4chan or maybe even on NSG.


If I find out that our future junta leader was on NSG, I won't be the least bit surprised.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
The great depression and Hitler say hello because that's what collapsing everything would lead too

Reminder that Hitler came to power because of revanchism, racism, and anti-Semitism. The bad economy was just icing on the cake. Also the Nazis had a good deal of power by 1929.

Also also the fact that you are trying to tie workers standing up for themselves to the Nazis speaks volumes

that is not what i said and you know it.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 30, 2019 4:51 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:In reality the planes would be grounded and the airports closed

Well, in reality they’d probably be replaced by National Guard or USAF scabs.

Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 30, 2019 4:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Reminder that Hitler came to power because of revanchism, racism, and anti-Semitism. The bad economy was just icing on the cake. Also the Nazis had a good deal of power by 1929.

Also also the fact that you are trying to tie workers standing up for themselves to the Nazis speaks volumes

that is not what i said and you know it.


It wouldn't lead to such things happening, necessarily. Remember the Winter of Discontent.

And now, I think we've threadjacked long enough.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:52 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Well, in reality they’d probably be replaced by National Guard or USAF scabs.

Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in

the national guard answers to the Governor

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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:52 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:that is not what i said and you know it.


It wouldn't lead to such things happening, necessarily. Remember the Winter of Discontent.

And now, I think we've threadjacked long enough.

true i forgot that

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu May 30, 2019 4:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in

the national guard answers to the Governor

Yaaayy even willing g to use force.... ugh
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 30, 2019 4:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in

the national guard answers to the Governor

And? I’m talking about the striking workers
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:54 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the national guard answers to the Governor

Yaaayy even willing g to use force.... ugh

its my understanding they can't act without orders from the Governor. i could be wrong

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Postby Ngelmish » Thu May 30, 2019 4:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Reminder that Hitler came to power because of revanchism, racism, and anti-Semitism. The bad economy was just icing on the cake. Also the Nazis had a good deal of power by 1929.

Also also the fact that you are trying to tie workers standing up for themselves to the Nazis speaks volumes

that is not what i said and you know it.


But you are tsk tsking at one of the only proven methods for workers to obtain positive, material changes to their working conditions... by insinuating that doing so would open the door to Nazi esque equivalencies.

Temporary economic losses in some sectors are not equivalent with full scale economic collapse. You need to have some nuance on this if you want to predict which would be more likely to occur in any given hypothetical.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu May 30, 2019 4:54 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Well, in reality they’d probably be replaced by National Guard or USAF scabs.

Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in

Tbh, while a very interesting and awesome scenario of worker solidarity, it doesn’t seem like the most realistic of situations.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu May 30, 2019 4:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Yaaayy even willing g to use force.... ugh

its my understanding they can't act without orders from the Governor. i could be wrong

They swear an oath to both the president and the governor
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the national guard answers to the Governor

And? I’m talking about the striking workers

why are you talking about the national guard then?

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Thu May 30, 2019 4:56 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in

Tbh, while a very interesting and awesome scenario of worker solidarity, it doesn’t seem like the most realistic of situations.

General strikes occur very similarly to that. The best examples can be found in pre war spain
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 30, 2019 4:56 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:its my understanding they can't act without orders from the Governor. i could be wrong

They swear an oath to both the president and the governor

and unless federalized the Governor is their boss

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 30, 2019 4:56 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not if they block the airports and others like the aircraft industry workers and transportation workers join in

Tbh, while a very interesting and awesome scenario of worker solidarity, it doesn’t seem like the most realistic of situations.

A Syndicalist can dream
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 30, 2019 4:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And? I’m talking about the striking workers

why are you talking about the national guard then?

I wasn’t.
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