MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[San Lumen]

ATC and TSA are very different from Verizon workers striking. Its a threat to public safety

Would you support a law that made it illegal to resign from ATC or TSA?

No

ATC and TSA are very different from Verizon workers striking. Its a threat to public safety

All workers matter. Just because they are important for security doesn’t mean we can shit all over them, it means that we make sure they don’t have a reason to strike.

Also fuck it. If they must strike for a better life than they must strike no matter the cost. The fact that you agree with fucking Reagan makes me question your support for leftist causes

Yeah who cares if two planes collide because their where not enough ATC's in the tower or a bomb gets through at a major airport? Better to let them strike right for you radical agenda?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Would you support a law that made it illegal to resign from ATC or TSA?

No

All workers matter. Just because they are important for security doesn’t mean we can shit all over them, it means that we make sure they don’t have a reason to strike.

Also fuck it. If they must strike for a better life than they must strike no matter the cost. The fact that you agree with fucking Reagan makes me question your support for leftist causes

Yeah who cares if two planes collide because their where not enough ATC's in the tower or a bomb gets through at a major airport? Better to let them strike right for you radical agenda?

Daily reminder that the TSA has an abysmal failure rate and doesn't actually prevent actually.

[San Lumen]

No

Yeah who cares if two planes collide because their where not enough ATC's in the tower or a bomb gets through at a major airport? Better to let them strike right for you radical agenda?

Daily reminder that the TSA has an abysmal failure rate and doesn't actually prevent actually.

Who needs them then? Their only solution is longer lines and useless regulations.

[Thuzbekistan]

And how damaged is this nation going to be? Trump doing 8 years is going to put the accelerationism into overdrive. If Biden or sanders win in 2020 then the inevitable will be delayed for a few years.


I don’t share your optimism.


More fuck the rural people from San Lumen. Incidentally this is also a reason why the nation is going to end up with further extremism


I think it’s pretty obvious who the revolution would be against and what it would be about from my post history. If you can’t figure it out I’m sorry for you.


You continued opposition to workers striking for better quality of life even if it hurts the economy makes me doubt that very very much

What inevitable? Whats going to happen a forceful takeover of a state capital or DC by average folk or disrupting the peaceful transfer of power?

Maybe we ought to stop the partisanship and work together. I didn't say screw rural people.

Why dont you go start this revolution since you feel so strongly?

and the economy is too interconnected. If then rail workers decided to strike then hundreds of thousands would not be able to get to work. Shutting down aviation would cause global trade to collapse. Nothing is in a vacuum.

Which is why striking is a good tool to use. Workers need that power

[Andsed]

IRV is just as bad as the current system. MMP is too super complicated and can fall victim to the same issues as the current system.

They aren’t mischaracterizations when they are things you have said and advocated for


I’m pretty sure I will.


So fuck those people right? They don’t matter.


You are absolutely awful


I’ll take that as a win,

How dare I disagree with you on election reform. I must be a horrible person for not liking PR and non district based elections.

You say that now but when it happens I doubt it.


I didn't say they did not matter. The TSA or ATC walking off the job would lead to chaos and closing of airports.

How horrible I care about the average person and not raising already exorbitant salaries, pensions and benefits. They are good enough were they are. They are merely greedy and the state government bowed to the union because they are too afraid of them and now fares are even higher because they know like sheep people will pay.

Ah so people who have important jobs don't matter and should just take shit no matter how bad? Got it.

[San Lumen]

What inevitable? Whats going to happen a forceful takeover of a state capital or DC by average folk or disrupting the peaceful transfer of power?

Maybe we ought to stop the partisanship and work together. I didn't say screw rural people.

Why dont you go start this revolution since you feel so strongly?

and the economy is too interconnected. If then rail workers decided to strike then hundreds of thousands would not be able to get to work. Shutting down aviation would cause global trade to collapse. Nothing is in a vacuum.

Which is why striking is a good tool to use. Workers need that power

Go start a general strike or revolution then.

[Fartsniffage]

No

Then why are you against them withdrawing their labour if they're not happy with their conditions?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Daily reminder that the TSA has an abysmal failure rate and doesn't actually prevent actually.

Who needs them then? Their only solution is longer lines and unless regulations.

Now you're starting to get it.

[San Lumen]

No

Then why are you against them withdrawing their labour if they're not happy with their conditions?

They can quit. No one is forcing them to work there.

[Kowani]

Then why are you against them withdrawing their labour if they're not happy with their conditions?

They can quit. No one is forcing them to work there.

Except, you know, the need for money to survive.

[Thuzbekistan]

Which is why striking is a good tool to use. Workers need that power

Go start a general strike or revolution then.

That's such a bs thing to say. It's one thing to say "volunteer, vote, write your representative" because I'm complaining about a policy. It's another thing all together to suggest that I go and do either of your suggestions when you know those are impossible for one man to do without a clear set of prerequisite conditions and being in a place to do so. To suggest i embark on such an endeavor simply because I support the power to collectively bargain and strike is beyond unreasonable.

[Thermodolia]

No. It’s just an example that you support things that are bad for the nation.


I’ve sacrifice a lot of shit I can handle the economy going to shit for a bit if it means better things.



You implied it. What do you think strikes do?


The more you say things like this the more I think your a right winger

You might think its bad but i don't, Is anyone who disagrees with you a bad person?

The economy collapsing would help no one. Hitler came to power as a result of economic collapse.

The economy would only collapse if the capitalist don’t give in. No. Hitler came to power due to revanchism and rampant racism. The Nazis had quite a bit of support before 1929.

I know what strikes do and air traffic controllers or TSa workers striking or not showing up is a threat to public safety but clearly that doesnt matter to you.

The TSA striking would show that without them we’d be fucked so we better not screw them over. If planes can’t fly because they decided to strike for a better life than so be it,

I am not a right winger. I have very rarely voted Republican.

Voting republican is not the determiner of what is right wing. Your opinions are. And so far you are spouting some very right wing opinions

Am I not allowed to differ with the party I support on occasion?

This has nothing to do with the party politics. Right wing democrats exist. Hell the party is center right

Have you not seen my record? Im quite liberal

Liberal =/= left nor does it mean your a friend of the workers

[Fartsniffage]

Then why are you against them withdrawing their labour if they're not happy with their conditions?

They can quit. No one is forcing them to work there.

And a strike is them quitting for just a little bit. Can you imagine if instead of withdrawing labour for a day they did it enmasse permanently?

[Thermodolia]

Would you support a law that made it illegal to resign from ATC or TSA?

No

All workers matter. Just because they are important for security doesn’t mean we can shit all over them, it means that we make sure they don’t have a reason to strike.

Also fuck it. If they must strike for a better life than they must strike no matter the cost. The fact that you agree with fucking Reagan makes me question your support for leftist causes

Yeah who cares if two planes collide because their where not enough ATC's in the tower or a bomb gets through at a major airport? Better to let them strike right for you radical agenda?

In reality the planes would be grounded and the airports closed

[San Lumen]

You might think its bad but i don't, Is anyone who disagrees with you a bad person?


The economy would only collapse if the capitalist don’t give in. No. Hitler came to power due to revanchism and rampant racism. The Nazis had quite a bit of support before 1929.


The TSA striking would show that without them we’d be fucked so we better not screw them over. If planes can’t fly because they decided to strike for a better life than so be it,


Voting republican is not the determiner of what is right wing. Your opinions are. And so far you are spouting some very right wing opinions


This has nothing to do with the party politics. Right wing democrats exist. Hell the party is center right

Liberal =/= left nor does it mean your a friend of the workers

and how am I not a friend of the workers?

No

Yeah who cares if two planes collide because their where not enough ATC's in the tower or a bomb gets through at a major airport? Better to let them strike right for you radical agenda?

In reality the planes would be grounded and the airports closed

and global trade is disrupted, vacations canceled and hotels lose money, people can't get home etc. But none of that matters.

[Thuzbekistan]

Then why are you against them withdrawing their labour if they're not happy with their conditions?

They can quit. No one is forcing them to work there.

Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

[San Lumen]

They can quit. No one is forcing them to work there.

Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.

[Thuzbekistan]

Liberal =/= left nor does it mean your a friend of the workers

and how am I not a friend of the workers?

In reality the planes would be grounded and the airports closed

and global trade is disrupted, vacations canceled and hotels lose money, people can't get home etc. But none of that matters.

1. By not supporting the only tools of the workers that have ever improved their position.

2. If global trade is built on the backs of mistreated workers, then it's better to not be just disrupted, but destroyed.

[Major-Tom]

Perhaps if they don't want customers being upset and a loss of profit, then they should address the demands of the striking workers.

To disrupt business as normal and hit employers' wallets is the entire point of a strike - to flex the collective power of workers and force companies to listen to them and work to benefit them. They don't exist to make the Company's life easier. They exist to give the common man an edge of their employers and allow them to collectively act and bargain for their own benefit. If it is an inconvenience for people wanting to do business, then that's good for the union, because it shows that they can impact the business and profit of their employers. If it leads to chaos and a breakdown in organization, then that's good for the union, because it shows that without them to work and maintain order, then the company can't survive.

ATC and TSA are very different from Verizon workers striking. Its a threat to public safety

If wages are fundamentally unfair and/or if there are a plethora of problems within their workplace, then by all means, TSA and ATC workers should be able to strike.

I mean, that lines up to the ideology you purport, that fair treatment for workers is paramount.

[Thermodolia]

Liberal =/= left nor does it mean your a friend of the workers

and how am I not a friend of the workers?

Because you are against them striking. And have said on numerous occasions that they should be fired, that you agree with what Reagan did in the 80s to the striking workers, and that you would fire the workers yourself if they decided to strike

In reality the planes would be grounded and the airports closed

and global trade is disrupted, vacations canceled and hotels lose money, people can't get home etc. But none of that matters.

Such is the cost of a strike

[Thuzbekistan]

Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.

If they do, they get fired. Wtf do you think these kinds of employers care?

[Andsed]

Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.

That is what a strike is dude.

[Thermodolia]

Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.

Guess what a strike is.

[San Lumen]

and how am I not a friend of the workers?
and global trade is disrupted, vacations canceled and hotels lose money, people can't get home etc. But none of that matters.

1. By not supporting the only tools of the workers that have ever improved their position.

2. If global trade is built on the backs of mistreated workers, then it's better to not be just disrupted, but destroyed.

The great depression and Hitler say hello because that's what collapsing everything would lead too

[Fartsniffage]

Pathetic lack of empathy in that statement. I worked in a rail company with an owner that treated its people like dirt. Physical punishments, unpaid labor, and all around humiliation and being generally underpaid were just some of the problems. And guess what? They couldnt quit. They had families that relied on them and mouths to feed. Many were illegal immigrants unable to find another job. To suggest they just quit is beyond naive and, as said before, unempathetic to their situations.

demand better treatment., They aren't slaves.

So they should group together and put pressure on management in some way?