MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Nakena]

Thankfully Trump has done a great job building relations with those economies.. the future is Eurasia.

I hope not.

China literally runs concentration camps for muslims and other "undesirables" and forcibly harvest organs from them to give to their own people. If that's the future, the world is so fucked.

It's like somebody looked at the Holocaust and said "you know, we can make this more efficient".

The ultimative form of exploitation. Economically much more profitable. Human harvest.

And lets not forget that China is also the place where this supposedly happened.

[The Rich Port]

Well yes, hence Trump should be a bit more cognisant of the fact that America does need to be aligned with global allies rather than pulling out of every treaty and insulting other countries all the time.

Sure, but blindly siding with a regime that legit thinks the problem with Hitler was that he would hunt dissidents but not use ALL the parts is not a good idea. If you're right, we all lose.

As opposed to openly siding with a country where women aren't allowed to drive and people get decapitated regularly?

Yeah no, let's not rush into things blindly.

[Galloism]

Sure, but blindly siding with a regime that legit thinks the problem with Hitler was that he would hunt dissidents but not use ALL the parts is not a good idea. If you're right, we all lose.

As opposed to openly siding with a country where women aren't allowed to drive and people get decapitated regularly?

Yeah no, let's not rush into things blindly.

?

Saudi Arabia?

[The Rich Port]

As opposed to openly siding with a country where women aren't allowed to drive and people get decapitated regularly?

Yeah no, let's not rush into things blindly.

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Saudi Arabia?

No, Papua New Guinea.

You know, cannibals and whatnot.

[Thermodolia]

Sure, but blindly siding with a regime that legit thinks the problem with Hitler was that he would hunt dissidents but not use ALL the parts is not a good idea. If you're right, we all lose.

As opposed to openly siding with a country where women aren't allowed to drive and people get decapitated regularly?

Yeah no, let's not rush into things blindly.

It’s not an either or situation. We can say fuck China and KSA at the same fucking time

[Bombadil]

Well yes, hence Trump should be a bit more cognisant of the fact that America does need to be aligned with global allies rather than pulling out of every treaty and insulting other countries all the time.

Sure, but blindly siding with a regime that legit thinks the problem with Hitler was that he would hunt dissidents but not use ALL the parts is not a good idea. If you're right, we all lose.

The truth is the imports isn't the only number, China is a massive buyer as tourism and what's called daiguo that sits outside the number of imports. Specifically Europe with a large luxury industry..

..of course no one wants to really align with a totalitarian state that is wiping out an entire people but, well, Trump is not helping and given a thread about Trump it's another reason why he's a terrible president.

People can laugh about Belt and Road but I'd previously put up a map that shows just how extremely isolated the US could be if it continues down a nationalist path.

[The Rich Port]

As opposed to openly siding with a country where women aren't allowed to drive and people get decapitated regularly?

Yeah no, let's not rush into things blindly.

It’s not an either or situation. We can say fuck China and KSA at the same fucking time

Used to be we had, you know, NATO allies, but Trump doesn't like allies unless they have dodgy human rights records and he's sexually attracted to their leaders.

Oh, and he can't decide whether they're our allies or not.

[Nakena]

Sure, but blindly siding with a regime that legit thinks the problem with Hitler was that he would hunt dissidents but not use ALL the parts is not a good idea. If you're right, we all lose.

The truth is the imports isn't the only number, China is a massive buyer as tourism and what's called daiguo that sits outside the number of imports. Specifically Europe with a large luxury industry..

..of course no one wants to really align with a totalitarian state that is wiping out an entire people but, well, Trump is not helping and given a thread about Trump it's another reason why he's a terrible president.

People can laugh about Belt and Road but I'd previously put up a map that shows just how extremely isolated the US could be if it continues down a nationalist path.

Resistance against the belt and road initiative and chinese attitudes in general is on the rise. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myitsone_Dam#Suspension

[Thermodolia]

Sure, but blindly siding with a regime that legit thinks the problem with Hitler was that he would hunt dissidents but not use ALL the parts is not a good idea. If you're right, we all lose.

The truth is the imports isn't the only number, China is a massive buyer as tourism and what's called daiguo that sits outside the number of imports. Specifically Europe with a large luxury industry..

..of course no one wants to really align with a totalitarian state that is wiping out an entire people but, well, Trump is not helping and given a thread about Trump it's another reason why he's a terrible president.

People can laugh about Belt and Road but I'd previously put up a map that shows just how extremely isolated the US could be if it continues down a nationalist path.

You do realize that if China isn’t stopped the majority of the world is going to be effectively puppets of China. Just look at Africa and the new form of colonialism

[Galloism]

?

Saudi Arabia?

No, Papua New Guinea.

You know, cannibals and whatnot.

Ah ok, just so you know, women can drive in Saudi Arabia now.

Decapitations is probably the next thing to think about.

[Thermodolia]

It’s not an either or situation. We can say fuck China and KSA at the same fucking time

Used to be we had, you know, NATO allies, but Trump doesn't like allies unless they have dodgy human rights records and he's sexually attracted to their leaders.

Oh, and he can't decide whether they're our allies or not.

Still doesn’t mean that we can’t tariff the shit out of China. We just need to not get into unnecessary trade scuffles with our allies

[The Rich Port]

No, Papua New Guinea.

You know, cannibals and whatnot.

Ah ok, just so you know, women can drive in Saudi Arabia now.

Decapitations is probably the next thing to think about.

Oh my mistake.

What a lovely government.

The truth is the imports isn't the only number, China is a massive buyer as tourism and what's called daiguo that sits outside the number of imports. Specifically Europe with a large luxury industry..

..of course no one wants to really align with a totalitarian state that is wiping out an entire people but, well, Trump is not helping and given a thread about Trump it's another reason why he's a terrible president.

People can laugh about Belt and Road but I'd previously put up a map that shows just how extremely isolated the US could be if it continues down a nationalist path.

You do realize that if China isn’t stopped the majority of the world is going to be effectively puppets of China. Just look at Africa and the new form of colonialism

Don't tell US that, tell TRUMP.

And to be fair, the Belt and Road initiatives wouldn't be so bad if we could guarantee China isn't going to be a massive dick to people.

It'd make travel cheaper.

It's a shame that we're letting China be the new world leaders out of spite and because Trump REALLY wants to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia for some goddamn reason.

Used to be we had, you know, NATO allies, but Trump doesn't like allies unless they have dodgy human rights records and he's sexually attracted to their leaders.

Oh, and he can't decide whether they're our allies or not.

Still doesn’t mean that we can’t tariff the shit out of China. We just need to not get into unnecessary trade scuffles with our allies

"Unnecessary trade scuffles" is Trump's middle name.

[Bombadil]

The truth is the imports isn't the only number, China is a massive buyer as tourism and what's called daiguo that sits outside the number of imports. Specifically Europe with a large luxury industry..

..of course no one wants to really align with a totalitarian state that is wiping out an entire people but, well, Trump is not helping and given a thread about Trump it's another reason why he's a terrible president.

People can laugh about Belt and Road but I'd previously put up a map that shows just how extremely isolated the US could be if it continues down a nationalist path.

Resistance against the belt and road initiative and chinese attitudes in general is on the rise. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myitsone_Dam#Suspension

Blips..

I'm not saying it's all coded in stone, my point is the aggressively nationalist stance taken by Trump against his own allies, constantly belittling the EU, Germany, Canada, Mexico, shit holes, basically everywhere.. is not a good move when initiating a trade war against China.

[Nakena]

Resistance against the belt and road initiative and chinese attitudes in general is on the rise. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myitsone_Dam#Suspension

Blips..

I'm not saying it's all coded in stone, my point is the aggressively nationalist stance taken by Trump against his own allies, constantly belittling the EU, Germany, Canada, Mexico, shit holes, basically everywhere.. is not a good move when initiating a trade war against China.

Slowly even Europe is realizing that the PRC is morphing into a totalitarian abomination rather than a nice trade partner.

Only in the case of Iran, lot of EU countries are actively undermining US sanction policy. They really like the Islamic Republic. Or think they can be friends with them.

[The Rich Port]

Resistance against the belt and road initiative and chinese attitudes in general is on the rise. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myitsone_Dam#Suspension

Blips..

I'm not saying it's all coded in stone, my point is the aggressively nationalist stance taken by Trump against his own allies, constantly belittling the EU, Germany, Canada, Mexico, shit holes, basically everywhere.. is not a good move when initiating a trade war against China.

I think what happened was that Trump wanted to start a little Dictator Boy's Club with his all crypto-fascist boyfriends, but then Putin broke his heart by... I dunno, why doesn't he like Putin anymore? I forgot.

And then of course North Korea backed because it's fucking North Korea and, spoiler alert, making kissies with the leader of a 23 million strong Communism cult wasn't gonna go anywhere good.

[Bombadil]

Blips..

I'm not saying it's all coded in stone, my point is the aggressively nationalist stance taken by Trump against his own allies, constantly belittling the EU, Germany, Canada, Mexico, shit holes, basically everywhere.. is not a good move when initiating a trade war against China.

Slowly even Europe is realizing that the PRC is morphing into a totalitarian abomination rather than a nice trade partner.

Only in the case of Iran, lot of EU countries are actively undermining US sanction policy. They really like the Islamic Republic. Or think they can be friends with them.

Well I'm off to attend a two day birthday bash.. have fun all.

[Thermodolia]

I hope not.

China literally runs concentration camps for muslims and other "undesirables" and forcibly harvest organs from them to give to their own people. If that's the future, the world is so fucked.

It's like somebody looked at the Holocaust and said "you know, we can make this more efficient".

The ultimative form of exploitation. Economically much more profitable. Human harvest.

And lets not forget that China is also the place where this supposedly happened.

Or this

[Thermodolia]

Ah ok, just so you know, women can drive in Saudi Arabia now.

Decapitations is probably the next thing to think about.

Oh my mistake.

What a lovely government.

You do realize that if China isn’t stopped the majority of the world is going to be effectively puppets of China. Just look at Africa and the new form of colonialism

Don't tell US that, tell TRUMP.

And to be fair, the Belt and Road initiatives wouldn't be so bad if we could guarantee China isn't going to be a massive dick to people.

It'd make travel cheaper.

It's a shame that we're letting China be the new world leaders out of spite and because Trump REALLY wants to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia for some goddamn reason.

Still doesn’t mean that we can’t tariff the shit out of China. We just need to not get into unnecessary trade scuffles with our allies

"Unnecessary trade scuffles" is Trump's middle name.

Hey if I could march into Washington and kick Trump out of office I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Also I’m not on Fox News so it’s not like Trump would listen to me

[Nakena]

The ultimative form of exploitation. Economically much more profitable. Human harvest.

And lets not forget that China is also the place where this supposedly happened.

Or this

Thanks for reminding me at that.

At least even the chinese authorities are somewhat aware that this is endangering absolutly everyone.

And absolute measures might be necessary to stop this stuff if it doesnt ceases soon.

[Galloism]

Personally, I'm glad that Trump is fulfilling Obama's campaign promise to hold China accountable:

"These are subsidies that directly harm working men and women on the assembly lines in Ohio and Michigan and across the Midwest. We are going to stop it. It is not right, it is against the rules, and we will not let it stand."

What was the president referring to?

Obama was talking about his administration's announcement that it had requested consultations at the World Trade Organization on China's subsidies for its exports of autos and auto parts.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html

“China must change its policies, including its foreign exchange policies, so that it relies less on exports and more on domestic demand for its growth,” Obama said in a letter to the National Council of Textile Organizations.

“That is why I have said I will use all diplomatic means at my disposal to induce China to make these changes,” Obama said in response to a questionnaire from the group.

He promised to beef up U.S. enforcement efforts against unfair trade practices and increase resources at the U.S. Trade Representative’s office “devoted to this mission.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... FQ20081029

"Now here’s the thing: His experience has been owning companies that were called ‘pioneers’ in the business of outsourcing jobs to countries like China. He made money investing in companies that uprooted from here and went to China. Pioneers! Ohio, you can’t stand up to China when all you’ve done is send them our jobs."

Obama's campaign has already rolled out an aggressive push against Romney's argument that he will crack down on China's "unfair trade policies." The GOP nominee has promised to label the country a currency manipulator on the first day of his presidency. Romney and Obama are both running TV ads in Ohio on the topic.

The Obama administration's trade case against China argues Beijing provided at least $1 billion in subsidies from 2009 through 2011, giving its manufacturers an advantage over U.S. competitors.

https://thehill.com/video/campaign/2498 ... p-to-china


Glad to see Trump take up and continue the fight Obama promised and started in 2016:

Barack Obama has escalated the US’s trade battle with China, launching a formal complaint against Beijing as both of his potential successors push the domestic political debate in an increasingly protectionist direction on the campaign trail.

The new case, brought by the US president on Wednesday with the World Trade Organisation, challenges Beijing’s export restrictions on key commodities needed by US manufacturers and was accompanied by sharp rhetoric from the White House.

“It all comes down to fair competition — a notion that is fundamental to who we are as Americans,” vice-president Joe Biden said. 

https://www.ft.com/content/fed9f136-491 ... e9211e86ab

[Gormwood]

Personally, I'm glad that Trump is fulfilling Obama's campaign promise to hold China accountable:

"These are subsidies that directly harm working men and women on the assembly lines in Ohio and Michigan and across the Midwest. We are going to stop it. It is not right, it is against the rules, and we will not let it stand."

What was the president referring to?

Obama was talking about his administration's announcement that it had requested consultations at the World Trade Organization on China's subsidies for its exports of autos and auto parts.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html

“China must change its policies, including its foreign exchange policies, so that it relies less on exports and more on domestic demand for its growth,” Obama said in a letter to the National Council of Textile Organizations.

“That is why I have said I will use all diplomatic means at my disposal to induce China to make these changes,” Obama said in response to a questionnaire from the group.

He promised to beef up U.S. enforcement efforts against unfair trade practices and increase resources at the U.S. Trade Representative’s office “devoted to this mission.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... FQ20081029

"Now here’s the thing: His experience has been owning companies that were called ‘pioneers’ in the business of outsourcing jobs to countries like China. He made money investing in companies that uprooted from here and went to China. Pioneers! Ohio, you can’t stand up to China when all you’ve done is send them our jobs."

Obama's campaign has already rolled out an aggressive push against Romney's argument that he will crack down on China's "unfair trade policies." The GOP nominee has promised to label the country a currency manipulator on the first day of his presidency. Romney and Obama are both running TV ads in Ohio on the topic.

The Obama administration's trade case against China argues Beijing provided at least $1 billion in subsidies from 2009 through 2011, giving its manufacturers an advantage over U.S. competitors.

https://thehill.com/video/campaign/2498 ... p-to-china


Glad to see Trump take up and continue the fight Obama promised and started in 2016:

Barack Obama has escalated the US’s trade battle with China, launching a formal complaint against Beijing as both of his potential successors push the domestic political debate in an increasingly protectionist direction on the campaign trail.

The new case, brought by the US president on Wednesday with the World Trade Organisation, challenges Beijing’s export restrictions on key commodities needed by US manufacturers and was accompanied by sharp rhetoric from the White House.

“It all comes down to fair competition — a notion that is fundamental to who we are as Americans,” vice-president Joe Biden said. 

https://www.ft.com/content/fed9f136-491 ... e9211e86ab

So Melania isn't the only Trump ripping off something from an Obama.

[Nakena]

So Melania isn't the only Trump ripping off something from an Obama.

Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

[Gormwood]

So Melania isn't the only Trump ripping off something from an Obama.

Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

Pfft. Trusting someone whose little darling has several Chinese patents to crack down on China? Well as might trust someone who imported undocumented labor to crack down on immigration.

[Nakena]

Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

Pfft. Trusting someone whose little darling has several Chinese patents to crack down on China? Well as might trust someone who imported undocumented labor to crack down on immigration.

Someone with such experience would know exactly where to look.

In other words, perfectly suited for the job.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump is doing what Obama did not.

Have to disappoint you in the bud.

Pfft. Trusting someone whose little darling has several Chinese patents to crack down on China?

He's done a fuckton more than any other President on the topic.