MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Nakena]

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Tbf his base wouldn't care even if it was a video of him molesting an underaged girl.

Eh that might be the one thing they will care about. Remember Roy Moore was doing well until it came out he was a kiddie diddler

And people still defended him.

[Valrifell]

Eh that might be the one thing they will care about. Remember Roy Moore was doing well until it came out he was a kiddie diddler

And people still defended him.

And people still defend him

[Nakena]

And people still defended him.

And people still defend him

Its fantastic isn't it?

All those GOP moral apostles now defending a teenie-grabber.

[Gormwood]

And people still defend him

Its fantastic isn't it?

All those GOP moral apostles now defending a teenie-grabber.

It's the Magic R. The GOP has an even bigger Win At All Costs mindset than NFL owners. If Moore was a Democrat they'd call for him to be locked up with Hillary or even get the chair.

[Galloism]

Its fantastic isn't it?

All those GOP moral apostles now defending a teenie-grabber.

It's the Magic R. The GOP has an even bigger Win At All Costs mindset than NFL owners. If Moore was a Democrat they'd call for him to be locked up with Hillary or even get the chair.

Exactly - it speaks to something broken.

Even then he barely lost to Doug Jones where you'd expect an accused kiddy diddler to be buried in a landslide.

An unfortunate fallout from a political system where people see accusations of sexual impropriety being used as a political weapon rather than a legitimate concern.

It's a symptom of a huge societal problem with how we see accusations of assault and such. Rather than claims to be investigated, they are simply cudgels to beat your political opponents with. Instead of going to the police, it's something for the press (in the extant case the statute of limitations had expired, so police have no authority to do anything, but the devil is in the details, and no one reads the details).

The perception however is that it's a political stunt, and there's definitely a "boy cried wolf" scenario here. Except we did it as a society, so even legitimate people who haven't done anything to feed the mass hysteria are getting caught by the backlash to it.

It's all very sad and speaks to something fundamentally broken about our society.

[Gormwood]

It's the Magic R. The GOP has an even bigger Win At All Costs mindset than NFL owners. If Moore was a Democrat they'd call for him to be locked up with Hillary or even get the chair.

Exactly - it speaks to something broken.

An unfortunate fallout from a political system where people see accusations of sexual impropriety being used as a political weapon rather than a legitimate concern.

It's a symptom of a huge societal problem with how we see accusations of assault and such. Rather than claims to be investigated, they are simply cudgels to beat your political opponents with. Instead of going to the police, it's something for the press (in the extant case the statute of limitations had expired, so police have no authority to do anything, but the devil is in the details, and no one reads the details).

The perception however is that it's a political stunt, and there's definitely a "boy cried wolf" scenario here. Except we did it as a society, so even legitimate people who haven't done anything to feed the mass hysteria are getting caught by the backlash to it.

It's all very sad and speaks to something fundamentally broken about our society.

Makes it sound like you're implying feminists enabled Moore to avoid the consequences of being a teenie grabber.

[Galloism]

Exactly - it speaks to something broken.

Makes it sound like you're implying feminists enabled Moore to avoid the consequences of being a teenie grabber.

Not especially so, no. In reality, we all did.

Truth be told, if we all want to see the responsible party, we have only to look in a mirror.

[The Black Forrest]

Makes it sound like you're implying feminists enabled Moore to avoid the consequences of being a teenie grabber.

Not especially so, no. In reality, we all did.

Truth be told, if we all want to see the responsible party, we have only to look in a mirror.

Eh? How are we to blame for a 30+ year old man trying to pick up teenage girls?

[Galloism]

Not especially so, no. In reality, we all did.

Truth be told, if we all want to see the responsible party, we have only to look in a mirror.

Eh? How are we to blame for a 30+ year old man trying to pick up teenage girls?

We were talking specifically about avoiding consequences (or, in his case, nearly avoiding consequences). Not the act itself.

[The Black Forrest]

Eh? How are we to blame for a 30+ year old man trying to pick up teenage girls?

We were talking specifically about avoiding consequences (or, in his case, nearly avoiding consequences). Not the act itself.

Ah. Got it now. Carry on.....

[Tarsonis]

Makes it sound like you're implying feminists enabled Moore to avoid the consequences of being a teenie grabber.

Not especially so, no. In reality, we all did.

Truth be told, if we all want to see the responsible party, we have only to look in a mirror.

The Kavenaugh effect

[The Black Forrest]

Not especially so, no. In reality, we all did.

Truth be told, if we all want to see the responsible party, we have only to look in a mirror.

The Kavenaugh effect

Eh? Effect of what? He was never properly investigated. Even that gal got shut down when the repubs didn't like where she was going.

Anyway. I still think he did it and genuinely doesn't remember........this of course is a tangent......

[Galloism]

The Kavenaugh effect

Eh? Effect of what? He was never properly investigated. Even that gal got shut down when the repubs didn't like where she was going.

Anyway. I still think he did it and genuinely doesn't remember........this of course is a tangent......

This is possible. It's just as possible that it didn't happen and she genuinely does remember it.

Memory just isn't good over long timescales. No one's is.

We all think it is, but it really really isn't.

[The Black Forrest]

Eh? Effect of what? He was never properly investigated. Even that gal got shut down when the repubs didn't like where she was going.

Anyway. I still think he did it and genuinely doesn't remember........this of course is a tangent......

This is possible. It's just as possible that it didn't happen and she genuinely does remember it.

Memory just isn't good over long timescales. No one's is.

We all think it is, but it really really isn't.

That's why a proper investigation was warranted.

[Tarsonis]

The Kavenaugh effect

Eh? Effect of what? He was never properly investigated. Even that gal got shut down when the repubs didn't like where she was going.

Anyway. I still think he did it and genuinely doesn't remember........this of course is a tangent......

What I’m saying is what gallo is describing is a result of that incident (and some others) using SA accusations as weapon against your political opponents

[Galloism]

This is possible. It's just as possible that it didn't happen and she genuinely does remember it.

Memory just isn't good over long timescales. No one's is.

We all think it is, but it really really isn't.

That's why a proper investigation was warranted.

Yeppers.

[Tarsonis]

This is possible. It's just as possible that it didn't happen and she genuinely does remember it.

Memory just isn't good over long timescales. No one's is.

We all think it is, but it really really isn't.

That's why a proper investigation was warranted.

The FBI investigated. Arrested a number of false accusers too.

[The Black Forrest]

That's why a proper investigation was warranted.

The FBI investigated. Arrested a number of false accusers too.

Much of that was not made available to the public. There were even claims they didn't even talk to the main people or the people who knew the main people and where at said party.

It's been said the FBI had "guidlines" placed on them. That will only be addressed when the report is public.

[Tarsonis]

The FBI investigated. Arrested a number of false accusers too.

Much of that was not made available to the public. There were even claims they didn't even talk to the main people or the people who knew the main people and where at said party.

It's been said the FBI had "guidlines" placed on them. That will only be addressed when the report is public.

Perhaps, but the report cannot be made public as it contains confidential information. The reality is the investigation was ludicrous in the first place. An accusation of an event over 30 years ago is next to impossible to investigate with any sort of credulity. There's no evidence to go on, no reliable chain of statements (as she even admitted she didn't tell anyone), and the only evidence we will get is the word of people who were supposedly inebriated at the time anyway. Guidance or not there was never much to go on anyway even if they interviewed a thousand people with "potential information." The reality is, while Ford may be an earnest actor here, the Democrats instead wielded this as an 11th hour weapon to try and derail his nomination, rather than act in good faith. His nomination hearings were a farce, and in the end it's the Democrats who ended up with the egg on their face. But worse is the destruction it did to our political discourse. As Gallo said, now the perception is that sexual assault accusations are political tools rather than real accusations that need to be investigated and believed.

[Cannot think of a name]

More news from the front of the Petty Offensive, Pelosi is getting in on the shade throwing game:

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Thursday that President Donald Trump threw a temper tantrum at a meeting with Democratic congressional leaders a day earlier and that she wished his family or staff would conduct “an intervention” with him for the good of the country.
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“Again, I pray for the president of the United States. I wish that his family, or his administration, or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country,” Pelosi told reporters.

She's also found his button:

On Wednesday, shortly before a previously scheduled meeting with Trump at the White House to discuss infrastructure investment legislation, Pelosi accused Trump of a “cover-up” in regard to investigations related to Russia’s meddling in the 2016 U.S. elections.

Her remarks rankled Trump and prompted him to walk out of the infrastructure meeting after just three minutes, possibly sinking the legislation’s prospects.

Trump said it was impossible to work on such legislation as long as Democrats were continuing their “phony” investigations of him.

She's still trying to erode the legislative support for Trump Tantrums Inc. and get work done in those bodies:

Even though Trump has indicated that he is not willing to engage in bipartisan work on legislation as long as House Democrats are investigating him, both Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer on Thursday challenged Republicans in Congress to leave the Republican president behind and continue working on legislation without him if he is unwilling to engage.

In semi related news, it does seem that the legislative Republicans are trying to avoid Trump setting their 2020 campaign hopes on fire because someone was mean to him on Fox:

Meanwhile, Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress want to strike a two-year deal on federal spending levels and raising the U.S. Treasury Department’s borrowing authority.

Both are needed to avert government shutdowns and a possible credit default later this year.

[Zurkerx]

In the news: White House Announces $16 Billion In Aid To Farmers Hurt By China Trade Dispute

Yeah, he's afraid to lose said farmers in 2020, but will it work?

And the Libertarian in me screams hearing this...

[San Lumen]

In the news: White House Announces $16 Billion In Aid To Farmers Hurt By China Trade Dispute

Yeah, he's afraid to lose said farmers in 2020, but will it work?

And the Libertarian in me screams hearing this...

It would still have to pass Congress. Plus he can't use the money from the tariffs.

[Ifreann]

In the news: White House Announces $16 Billion In Aid To Farmers Hurt By China Trade Dispute

Yeah, he's afraid to lose said farmers in 2020, but will it work?

And the Libertarian in me screams hearing this...

It would still have to pass Congress. Plus he can't use the money from the tariffs.

What would have to pass Congress?

[San Lumen]

It would still have to pass Congress. Plus he can't use the money from the tariffs.

What would have to pass Congress?

the aid to farmers or would it not?

[Vassenor]

In the news: White House Announces $16 Billion In Aid To Farmers Hurt By China Trade Dispute

Yeah, he's afraid to lose said farmers in 2020, but will it work?

And the Libertarian in me screams hearing this...

But I thought Trump was supposed to have been rendered unable to do anything by all the investigations he's under.