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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon May 20, 2019 1:18 am

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Wait til he gets his chicken hawk butt around to the Native Americans, on the reservations. He'll extort casino monies from them "for protection". He's probably bitter they operate casinos and make money, but he couldn't! :eyebrow:


Are we believing that he made a loss with his casino, rather than lied to fiddle his taxes, like he was doing with his property business?
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon May 20, 2019 1:59 am

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Galloism wrote:I merely felt it was an accurate sum up - some people don’t care about certain crimes so long as the “right” people are the ones getting the brunt of it.

For trump, I’m pretty sure the “right” people are liberals and most foreigners.

And it just so happened that the best summation of the idea that Trump doesn't care about foreigners or liberals that you could think of was to quote my post, my post about throwing milkshakes Nigel Farage, from a thread that you don't normally participate in. Of course, for all I know you routinely read the UK politics thread and only rarely post, and that was why you had my post in that thread fresh in your mind when you read my post about a sailor doing war crimes. For all I know it's a complete coincidence that you're aware of that post of mine that's two pages back from the most current page of the UK politics thread. I'm sure that's the most likely explanation.

Best answer woulda been "yeah, exactly this" rather than launching into a tyraid...
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 20, 2019 4:05 am

From hesitation to "I hope so" to "That will be the official end of Iran!"

I see Trump's warming up to his modus: destruction, disintegration, dissolution. He can't help himself. It's the only thing he's really expert at.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon May 20, 2019 4:10 am

Duhon wrote:From hesitation to "I hope so" to "That will be the official end of Iran!"

I see Trump's warming up to his modus: destruction, disintegration, dissolution. He can't help himself. It's the only thing he's really expert at.

I mean if no other powers intervened, it would be the end of the Islamic republic. But uh.... why would we do that? We need to change that 2001 law...
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 20, 2019 4:13 am

Duhon wrote:From hesitation to "I hope so" to "That will be the official end of Iran!"

I see Trump's warming up to his modus: destruction, disintegration, dissolution. He can't help himself. It's the only thing he's really expert at.

Did Ann Coulter open her mouth regarding Iran recently?

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon May 20, 2019 4:15 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Duhon wrote:From hesitation to "I hope so" to "That will be the official end of Iran!"

I see Trump's warming up to his modus: destruction, disintegration, dissolution. He can't help himself. It's the only thing he's really expert at.

Did Ann Coulter open her mouth regarding Iran recently?

Not that I see
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Postby Duhon » Mon May 20, 2019 4:19 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Duhon wrote:From hesitation to "I hope so" to "That will be the official end of Iran!"

I see Trump's warming up to his modus: destruction, disintegration, dissolution. He can't help himself. It's the only thing he's really expert at.

I mean if no other powers intervened, it would be the end of the Islamic republic. But uh.... why would we do that? We need to change that 2001 law...


Ah, but you see, 1) other people or powers trying to hold him fast before he does any cataclysmically stupid shit only triggers Trump harder; 2) intervention only risks escalation, and 3) I have not and do not trust Trump on handling wars well -- when he says Iran will end, prepare for the worst.

Also, what 2001 law?

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 20, 2019 4:20 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Duhon wrote:From hesitation to "I hope so" to "That will be the official end of Iran!"

I see Trump's warming up to his modus: destruction, disintegration, dissolution. He can't help himself. It's the only thing he's really expert at.

Did Ann Coulter open her mouth regarding Iran recently?


Two things: "John Bolton" and "his".

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Mon May 20, 2019 4:21 am

Duhon wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:I mean if no other powers intervened, it would be the end of the Islamic republic. But uh.... why would we do that? We need to change that 2001 law...


Ah, but you see, 1) other people or powers trying to hold him fast before he does any cataclysmically stupid shit only triggers Trump harder; 2) intervention only risks escalation, and 3) I have not and do not trust Trump on handling wars well -- when he says Iran will end, prepare for the worst.

Also, what 2001 law?

The one he will try to use to attack Iran without congressional approval. It's the 2001 authorization to use force against any nation harboring or supporting terrorists linked to the 9/11 attacks.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon May 20, 2019 4:24 am

Duhon wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Did Ann Coulter open her mouth regarding Iran recently?


Two things: "John Bolton" and "his".

Ah I see. John "Bomber" Bolton.

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Postby Duhon » Mon May 20, 2019 4:32 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Ah, but you see, 1) other people or powers trying to hold him fast before he does any cataclysmically stupid shit only triggers Trump harder; 2) intervention only risks escalation, and 3) I have not and do not trust Trump on handling wars well -- when he says Iran will end, prepare for the worst.

Also, what 2001 law?

The one he will try to use to attack Iran without congressional approval. It's the 2001 authorization to use force against any nation harboring or supporting terrorists linked to the 9/11 attacks.


Wait, what? Were there Iranian terrorists during 9/11?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 5:08 am

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Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.


Despite all the hero worship around them pretty much all of the SEAL teams nowadays have some real shitty thing going on. Drug abuse, rape, murder, from stuff I've read all that shit is prevalent in all their units. Dude absolutely does not deserve a pardon.

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Postby Chan Island » Mon May 20, 2019 5:13 am

Duhon wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:The one he will try to use to attack Iran without congressional approval. It's the 2001 authorization to use force against any nation harboring or supporting terrorists linked to the 9/11 attacks.


Wait, what? Were there Iranian terrorists during 9/11?


Nope, but if we were using that metric we would have gone after Saudi Arabia anyway so lol. It's obviously bogus.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 20, 2019 5:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Despite all the hero worship around them pretty much all of the SEAL teams nowadays have some real shitty thing going on. Drug abuse, rape, murder, from stuff I've read all that shit is prevalent in all their units. Dude absolutely does not deserve a pardon.

If there’s anything he deserves it’s the gallows

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 5:16 am

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Now if only there was a way to determine the truth and validity of such claims in a fair way... a trial of sorts...

Naaaaah.


Oh I agree. I’m just saying it’s not as clear cut a case of Trump exhonerating Monsters as the troop is making it sound

Eh I’d believe it. There where a lot of nutcases in the military, at least when I was in. Then again I just might have been the outlier, only wanting to take life when absolutely necessary
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 20, 2019 5:19 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If there’s anything he deserves it’s the gallows

Come now, we're civilized here. Electric chair.

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 20, 2019 5:30 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Oh I agree. I’m just saying it’s not as clear cut a case of Trump exhonerating Monsters as the troop is making it sound

Eh I’d believe it. There where a lot of nutcases in the military, at least when I was in. Then again I just might have been the outlier, only wanting to take life when absolutely necessary


Oh there's definitely psychos, but with Gallagher the accusations are pretty egregious, and suggest a massive conspiracy to cover up his antics by the Navy Seals. I mean it's possible but there needs to be a lot of proof. The fact that there is supposedly camera footage that exonerates him, really casts doubt on the rest of the allegations.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon May 20, 2019 6:02 am

Ifreann wrote:More information coming out about the soldiers Trump is possibly planning to pardon. Of particular concern, I feel, is Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher of the SEALs. Chief Gallagher, who is highly decorated for valour under fire, has yet to face trial, but the charges against him and the reports of his behaviour paint a picture of a bloodthirsty psychopath who was protected for years by his superiors. Chief Gallagher routinely opened fire on settlements with his vehicle's machine gun for no apparent reason. Just parked up and emptied the machine gun. He reportedly spent most of his time in a sniper's nest, firing three to four times more often than the other snipers. Two other snipers said that he once shot a girl in the stomach when she was picking flowers with two other girls. When a 15 year old ISIS fighter was brought in by Iraqi soldiers, injured but not in danger of dying, Chief Gallagher walked up to them without a word and, using a hunting knife he bought himself to bring to Iraq, stabbed the boy repeatedly, killing him, and later posed for pictures with the body.

His own platoon, having had no joy in confronting him directly or reporting him to their superiors, discussed how to keep him away from anyone he might hurt. These reports were even leaked from within the military. That Navy SEALs are making these reports about one of their own says a lot. And Trump is considering pardoning Gallagher before he even faces trial, which also says a lot.

What is it with Trump pardoning the scum of the Earth? First Arpaio and D’Souza and now this piece of garbage?
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Postby Galloism » Mon May 20, 2019 6:18 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Eh I’d believe it. There where a lot of nutcases in the military, at least when I was in. Then again I just might have been the outlier, only wanting to take life when absolutely necessary


Oh there's definitely psychos, but with Gallagher the accusations are pretty egregious, and suggest a massive conspiracy to cover up his antics by the Navy Seals. I mean it's possible but there needs to be a lot of proof. The fact that there is supposedly camera footage that exonerates him, really casts doubt on the rest of the allegations.

And, honestly, if the allegations are true, then the responsibility for them must also exist up the chain. You don't act like that for a long time without someone up the chain noticing and deciding "hey, we'll just let that slide".
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon May 20, 2019 7:03 am

Galloism wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Oh there's definitely psychos, but with Gallagher the accusations are pretty egregious, and suggest a massive conspiracy to cover up his antics by the Navy Seals. I mean it's possible but there needs to be a lot of proof. The fact that there is supposedly camera footage that exonerates him, really casts doubt on the rest of the allegations.

And, honestly, if the allegations are true, then the responsibility for them must also exist up the chain. You don't act like that for a long time without someone up the chain noticing and deciding "hey, we'll just let that slide".

Yeah, so that chain needs to be evaluated and, wherever possible, prosecuted for accessory to war crimes.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 20, 2019 7:12 am

Galloism wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Oh there's definitely psychos, but with Gallagher the accusations are pretty egregious, and suggest a massive conspiracy to cover up his antics by the Navy Seals. I mean it's possible but there needs to be a lot of proof. The fact that there is supposedly camera footage that exonerates him, really casts doubt on the rest of the allegations.

And, honestly, if the allegations are true, then the responsibility for them must also exist up the chain. You don't act like that for a long time without someone up the chain noticing and deciding "hey, we'll just let that slide".


They've basically made him out to be like the chopper gunner from "Full Metal Jacket."


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon May 20, 2019 7:37 am

Would you pardon someone before their trial, if you thought they were going to be found not guilty?
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Postby Galloism » Mon May 20, 2019 7:39 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Galloism wrote:And, honestly, if the allegations are true, then the responsibility for them must also exist up the chain. You don't act like that for a long time without someone up the chain noticing and deciding "hey, we'll just let that slide".


They've basically made him out to be like the chopper gunner from "Full Metal Jacket."


"Anybody who runs is a terrorist. Any body who stays is a well disciplined terrorist."

You say that like it's not plausible.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon May 20, 2019 7:44 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Galloism wrote:And, honestly, if the allegations are true, then the responsibility for them must also exist up the chain. You don't act like that for a long time without someone up the chain noticing and deciding "hey, we'll just let that slide".


They've basically made him out to be like the chopper gunner from "Full Metal Jacket."


"Anybody who runs is a terrorist. Any body who stays is a well disciplined terrorist."

Acting under the assumption that nobody could be that evil is the best way to make sure that the people who really are that evil never get punished for their actions. We shouldn't necessarily take the report at face value, but we also shouldn't ignore the possibility, however unlikely it might be, that it's not lying.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon May 20, 2019 7:54 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
They've basically made him out to be like the chopper gunner from "Full Metal Jacket."


"Anybody who runs is a terrorist. Any body who stays is a well disciplined terrorist."

Acting under the assumption that nobody could be that evil is the best way to make sure that the people who really are that evil never get punished for their actions. We shouldn't necessarily take the report at face value, but we also shouldn't ignore the possibility, however unlikely it might be, that it's not lying.



Not saying it isn't possible. I agree the trial should go one. I'm just saying if the video is legit in that it exonerates him, it casts a lot of doubt on the rest of the reports, which almost seem like they trying to demonize him rather than legit accusations. As I have no way of knowing, I can't say either way, I'm only pointing out the situation is not cut and dry as some people are making it.
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