MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Gormwood]

The same can be achieved by just some good ol fashioned saber rattling and watching all the leftists freak out.

"Haha, the libs are triggered by the threat of war that would cost the lives of thousands with no real gain apart from destabilising another Muslim country"

Yay, the leftists freak out.

Liberal salt is very addictive.

[Telconi]

I would not be so sure of that. Wartime leaders almost never lose elections

Even if one of his eeny-meeny-miiny-moe command decisions ends up with a large amount of U.S. troop casualties or even a routing of the American forces?

Well hopefully he'd leave actual strategic decisions in the hands of actual soldiers.

[Gormwood]

Somehow I get the feeling that Donnie is aware that he's a complete moron as a military commander and were he to start a war with Iran, he'd end up setting off an atrocious debacle that would completely negate the War President advantage.

The reality is that compared to the US the Iran is a paper tiger. Their ships are antiquated, and the entire navy is smaller than just the US. Fifth fleet. Their airforce consists of out date F-14 Tomcats (they're welcome btw) and Mig 29s. In a 1 to 1 conflict We wouldn't even have to invade to really win, just obliterate their war fighting capabilities. In terms of a middle east conflict we'd have the backing of the Saudi Arabian side of the Middle east Cold War, other Sunni factions and probably Israel.

So Donny might feel over anxious.

The real issue for us of course, the long arm of Putin, and the ire of Europe.

If Iran didn't have solid backing the Supreme Council would have been supremely fucked ages ago, that much is obvious.

[Telconi]

"Haha, the libs are triggered by the threat of war that would cost the lives of thousands with no real gain apart from destabilising another Muslim country"

Yay, the leftists freak out.

Liberal salt is very addictive.

It's mostly just a waste byproduct of decent governance.

[Tarsonis]

The same can be achieved by just some good ol fashioned saber rattling and watching all the leftists freak out.

"Haha, the libs are triggered by the threat of war that would cost the lives of thousands with no real gain apart from destabilising another Muslim country"

Yay, the leftists freak out.

I mean, you joke, but from a campaign standpoint that's exactly how it would play out. Trump falls back on "see they fell over themselves like this over North Korea, but what happened? Nothing. Why? Because I'm the best. I can make deals you people wouldn't believe. I can sell attack ships to the Orion syndicate. I can trade C-Beams to China who freaking makes them. The libs will always be lost in the sauce." or something to that effect.

[Tarsonis]

The reality is that compared to the US the Iran is a paper tiger. Their ships are antiquated, and the entire navy is smaller than just the US. Fifth fleet. Their airforce consists of out date F-14 Tomcats (they're welcome btw) and Mig 29s. In a 1 to 1 conflict We wouldn't even have to invade to really win, just obliterate their war fighting capabilities. In terms of a middle east conflict we'd have the backing of the Saudi Arabian side of the Middle east Cold War, other Sunni factions and probably Israel.

So Donny might feel over anxious.

The real issue for us of course, the long arm of Putin, and the ire of Europe.

If Iran didn't have solid backing the Supreme Council would have been supremely fucked ages ago, that much is obvious.

We can weather the Ire of Europe, the question is how willing is Russia to go to war over Iran.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

"Successful" and "state" or "nation" weren't even mentioned in your original point, so I still am failing to see how it's particularly relevant. Libertarian Fascism is self-evidently an oxymoron whereas Libertarian Socialism is a fleshed out ideology with several writings and vanguards, to the extent that Anarchism is a thing that exists. That alone services as a meaningful distinction between the two.

The point is that trying to remove socialism from authoritarianism is bogus.

That depends, are you including the things that aren't socialism (at least, not by the Marxist definition) but that conservatives always call socialist anyway?

[Tarsonis]

The point is that trying to remove socialism from authoritarianism is bogus.

That depends, are you including the things that aren't socialism (at least, not by the Marxist definition) but that conservatives always call socialist anyway?

no

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

If Iran didn't have solid backing the Supreme Council would have been supremely fucked ages ago, that much is obvious.

We can weather the Ire of Europe, the question is how willing is Russia to go to war over Iran.

Probably not very, but I wouldn't underestimate the effect an angry Europe can have on our economy.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

That depends, are you including the things that aren't socialism (at least, not by the Marxist definition) but that conservatives always call socialist anyway?

no

Then I'd agree with you. It's pretty hard to create a Marxist system without totalitarianism even in theory, and in practice, political corruption would render the theory completely worthless.
EDIT: Also, I just noticed that we're at 420 pages. Nice.

[Tarsonis]

We can weather the Ire of Europe, the question is how willing is Russia to go to war over Iran.

Probably not very, but I wouldn't underestimate the effect an angry Europe can have on our economy.

They'd be angry, but they wouldn't be that angry. Our economies are too entwined. Plus Russia also plays here. While they might not be to eager to fight over Iran, if Putin is as devious I think he is, he'd be happy to give us a reason to be even less committed to NATO. Europe might not like it, but they need us, and we need them. They stamp and protest sure, but I doubt it will come to much more than that.

[Gormwood]

If Iran didn't have solid backing the Supreme Council would have been supremely fucked ages ago, that much is obvious.

We can weather the Ire of Europe, the question is how willing is Russia to go to war over Iran.

They might not throw in a full military force, but if it came down to it they'd pull something that would hurt the U.S. like a kick in the nuts.

[San Lumen]

We can weather the Ire of Europe, the question is how willing is Russia to go to war over Iran.

They might not throw in a full military force, but if it came down to it they'd pull something that would hurt the U.S. like a kick in the nuts.

Id like to see them stop loaning us money.

[Telconi]

They might not throw in a full military force, but if it came down to it they'd pull something that would hurt the U.S. like a kick in the nuts.

Id like to see them stop loaning us money.

Banks generally like money tho.

[Tarsonis]

We can weather the Ire of Europe, the question is how willing is Russia to go to war over Iran.

They might not throw in a full military force, but if it came down to it they'd pull something that would hurt the U.S. like a kick in the nuts.

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Probably not very, but I wouldn't underestimate the effect an angry Europe can have on our economy.

They'd be angry, but they wouldn't be that angry. Our economies are too entwined. Plus Russia also plays here. While they might not be to eager to fight over Iran, if Putin is as devious I think he is, he'd be happy to give us a reason to be even less committed to NATO. Europe might not like it, but they need us, and we need them. They stamp and protest sure, but I doubt it will come to much more than that.

Europe might want our money, but they haven't needed it since 1991 at the very latest. Attacking Iran without any justification (since Europe knows damn well that we canceled the nuclear deal, not them) is likely to draw their ire. They wouldn't issue a trade blackout over this, but I don't see things being anywhere near normal.
As for Russia, I agree that Putin's going to try to play this to his advantage as much as possible. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he could use a war against Iran to persuade Europe to have closer relations with Russia instead of the US.

[Gormwood]

They might not throw in a full military force, but if it came down to it they'd pull something that would hurt the U.S. like a kick in the nuts.

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

You sound like you believe Trump is aware of that.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

They might not throw in a full military force, but if it came down to it they'd pull something that would hurt the U.S. like a kick in the nuts.

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

You're saying this like the US isn't run by the party of anti-globalism.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I fully expect to be in a war with Iran by mid summer and Trump's reelection will be almost certain

Didn't you say the same thing word for word about North Korea lol

[Washington Resistance Army]

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

You're saying this like the US isn't run by the party of anti-globalism.

It isn't tbh. Trump might pay lip service to the idea but he's still pretty firmly in the globalist camp if you ask me.

[Tarsonis]

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

You're saying this like the US isn't run by the party of anti-globalism.

True, but I'm talking about what Europe would do, not what we would do.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

"Haha, the libs are triggered by the threat of war that would cost the lives of thousands with no real gain apart from destabilising another Muslim country"

Yay, the leftists freak out.

I mean, you joke, but from a campaign standpoint that's exactly how it would play out. Trump falls back on "see they fell over themselves like this over North Korea, but what happened? Nothing. Why? Because I'm the best. I can make deals you people wouldn't believe. I can sell attack ships to the Orion syndicate. I can trade C-Beams to China who freaking makes them. The libs will always be lost in the sauce." or something to that effect.

If someone believes the lies of Trump, that's not on the liberals.

[Tarsonis]

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

You sound like you believe Trump is aware of that.

Again, I'm talking about what Europe would do, not trump.

[Tarsonis]

I mean, you joke, but from a campaign standpoint that's exactly how it would play out. Trump falls back on "see they fell over themselves like this over North Korea, but what happened? Nothing. Why? Because I'm the best. I can make deals you people wouldn't believe. I can sell attack ships to the Orion syndicate. I can trade C-Beams to China who freaking makes them. The libs will always be lost in the sauce." or something to that effect.

If someone believes the lies of Trump, that's not on the liberals.

And how would that matter, come election time?

[The Emerald Legion]

That'd be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. When the Soviet Union collapsed it kicked off a world wide recession. Why because the cold war was over and the world economy no longer propped up by America's Cold War economic strategy. That's the thing with globalism. When the economies are all that intertwined, one big gear goes out and the whole machine stops turning.

You sound like you believe Trump is aware of that.

Imagine believing the head of a multinational corporation doesn't understand economies are intertwined....