Remember, Trump respects absolute loyalty, even if he doesn't return the favor when you're caught with your pants down. There are clearly better choices.
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by Zurkerx » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:33 am
by Gormwood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:36 am
Zurkerx wrote:
Remember, Trump respects absolute loyalty, even if he doesn't return the favor when you're caught with your pants down. There are clearly better choices.
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:42 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Considering
A. They went to prison for crimes not related to the election.
B. The left would likely be willing to trade all those convictions for something on Trump.
C. Trump gets to solidify his base and act like he’s completely exonerated.
Yeah it’s a political flop.
Convicting actual criminals for actual crimes is a partisan issue now.
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:45 am
Tarsonis wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Convicting actual criminals for actual crimes is a partisan issue now.
Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.
by Ifreann » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:58 am
Tarsonis wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Convicting actual criminals for actual crimes is a partisan issue now.
Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.
by Gormwood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:01 am
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:05 am
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:08 am
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:12 am
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:13 am
by Tobleste » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:15 am
by Vassenor » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:22 am
by Gormwood » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:32 am
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:33 am
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:33 am
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:35 am
by Vassenor » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:37 am
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:37 am
Tarsonis wrote:Vassenor wrote:
You really need to get some new material.
Really don't because the point stands. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win in a landslide. To the point that Donald Trump's election was virtually impossible. And yet here we are. It's very early in the 2020 campaign. Next fall when we actually have a democratic challenger, we'll be able to get an accurate measurement of Trumps chances.
by Bear Stearns » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:43 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.
Well, let's look at what happened to the other Presidents that lost the popular vote:
Adams - Huge loss to Jackson after that election
Hayes - Pledged not to seek re-election after the hugely controversial 1876, probably would have lost.
Harrison - Lost to Cleveland
Bush - 9/11 and the ensuing cultural shift is perhaps too anomalous to be judged objectively for these purposes.
by Valrifell » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:44 am
Bear Stearns wrote:Valrifell wrote:
Well, let's look at what happened to the other Presidents that lost the popular vote:
Adams - Huge loss to Jackson after that election
Hayes - Pledged not to seek re-election after the hugely controversial 1876, probably would have lost.
Harrison - Lost to Cleveland
Bush - 9/11 and the ensuing cultural shift is perhaps too anomalous to be judged objectively for these purposes.
1860: Abraham Lincoln
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:45 am
by Tarsonis » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:48 am
Valrifell wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
Really don't because the point stands. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win in a landslide. To the point that Donald Trump's election was virtually impossible. And yet here we are. It's very early in the 2020 campaign. Next fall when we actually have a democratic challenger, we'll be able to get an accurate measurement of Trumps chances.
Everyone also thought Dewey would win, yet Truman still kicked ass.
Unlikely elections happen in spite of projections and pundits, I hate seeing people use a statistical anomaly (which was hinted at in polls if not predictive models) as a slamdunk. Math isn't supposed to be this political
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