MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Zurkerx]

Trump nominates man, who doesn't know how the Fed operates or makes decisions, to role at U.S. Federal Reserve which he doesn't understand, on basis of flattering words he once wrote about Trump

Not The Onion.

Remember, Trump respects absolute loyalty, even if he doesn't return the favor when you're caught with your pants down. There are clearly better choices.

[Gormwood]

Trump nominates man, who doesn't know how the Fed operates or makes decisions, to role at U.S. Federal Reserve which he doesn't understand, on basis of flattering words he once wrote about Trump

Not The Onion.

Remember, Trump respects absolute loyalty, even if he doesn't return the favor when you're caught with your pants down. There are clearly better choices.

Trump reminds me of James "Whitey" Bulger, who also demanded loyalty while being a secret FBI informant.

[Tarsonis]

Considering
A. They went to prison for crimes not related to the election.
B. The left would likely be willing to trade all those convictions for something on Trump.
C. Trump gets to solidify his base and act like he’s completely exonerated.

Yeah it’s a political flop.

Convicting actual criminals for actual crimes is a partisan issue now.

Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.

[Valrifell]

Convicting actual criminals for actual crimes is a partisan issue now.

Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.

No shit

[Ifreann]

Convicting actual criminals for actual crimes is a partisan issue now.

Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.

The goal of...Trump's own Justice Department?

[Gormwood]

Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.

The goal of...Trump's own Justice Department?

It's part of the Deep State apparently.

[Tarsonis]

I imagine that’s what y’all thought this time in 2015

Previous electoral evidence also indicates he's a weaker incumbent than most and than as your presenting.

And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.

That’s a fair point but I’d argue the conditions are different

You're right, we might find something on Trump.

Doubtful, at this point. And that's not why it's different. There wasn't a special counsel investigation into the event. The FBI investigation is still on going, though there's little new developments going on. The rest of the investigations were done by committee. Because there was no special counsel investigation, and questionable shifting narratives that did come out in deposition, the Republicans were successfully able to convince their base as well as a fair number of independents that there was foul play going on, and they were doing what was necessary to get at the truth, and Democrats were obstructing.

Democrats are trying recreate that narrative here, but it's coming up short because Mueller ran an independent investigation for two years with unburdened, unrestricted subpoena power to investigate anything and everything related to the president and more or less came up empty with regards to Trump. I can't speak for all independents, but I'm confident saying that for my demographic at least, Center-right independents, the Democrats look how they tried to categorize the Republicans during benghazi. They're Engaging in a political which hunt, and unsatisfied with the official independent investigation, they're going to engage in their own partisan investigations. That's how it looks at face value anyway, and Republicans won't have a hard sell with their base and right leaning independents. The Mueller Report, despite Trump lambasting it daily, is a political win for him. He cast it from day one as an investigation that will turn up nothing, and that's what it ended up being. They got some of his team members for skeletons in their closets, but it didn't turn up anything for what it was intended to uncover, direct collusion between The President, his campaign, and Russian Operatives to interfere in the 2016 election.

Democrats can either take the blow, recover and come at him on one of the six thousand other issues, or swing desperately and hope to find purchase.

So far it looks like they're going with B.

[Tarsonis]

Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.

The goal of...Trump's own Justice Department?

Please this was always a Democrat initiative. Republicans followed along because the political fallout from not, would have been catastrophic.

[Tarsonis]

Hey the second a democratic leader says "well at least we got these guys, time to move on" I'll change my tune, but right now their rending their clothes over not getting Trump, which shows, Trump was always the goal.

No shit

At least you're honest.

[Valrifell]

Previous electoral evidence also indicates he's a weaker incumbent than most and than as your presenting.

And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.

Well, let's look at what happened to the other Presidents that lost the popular vote:

Adams - Huge loss to Jackson after that election
Hayes - Pledged not to seek re-election after the hugely controversial 1876, probably would have lost.
Harrison - Lost to Cleveland
Bush - 9/11 and the ensuing cultural shift is perhaps too anomalous to be judged objectively for these purposes.

[Tobleste]

Apart from all the people sent to prison for their crimes, of course.

Only the Trump administration/campaign could be investigated, have that investigation result in multiple felony convictions and then have said investigation unironically dismissed as a flop.

With it being said that the investigator can't confirm nor deny he obstructed justice. That's how low the bar is.
Trump supporters are like Michael Jackson fans if Jackson was still walking around with a classroom full of kids walking beside him.

[Ifreann]

The goal of...Trump's own Justice Department?

Please this was always a Democrat initiative. Republicans followed along because the political fallout from not, would have been catastrophic.

The Democrats made Trump investigate himself. Gotcha.

[Vassenor]

Previous electoral evidence also indicates he's a weaker incumbent than most and than as your presenting.

And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.

You really need to get some new material.

[Gormwood]

And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.

You really need to get some new material.

Wasn't it more around 70% or so? And even if it was 99% that still leaves 1% chance of success. You'd think if the polls did call a 99% success rate Trump would incessantly brag about that at his rallies.

[Valrifell]

You really need to get some new material.

Wasn't it more around 70% or so? And even if it was 99% that still leaves 1% chance of success. You'd think if the polls did call a 99% success rate Trump would incessantly brag about that at his rallies.

538 had it at 70%, most others had it at 99%. Though the polls were tightening in spite of the projections not changing, so it's probably more of an issue with the models not being as up-to-date or configured properly.

[Tarsonis]

Please this was always a Democrat initiative. Republicans followed along because the political fallout from not, would have been catastrophic.

The Democrats made Trump investigate himself. Gotcha.

Is this what happens when you're on your heels? You make increasingly obstinate comments trying to pretend you have some sort of high ground?

[Tarsonis]

And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.

You really need to get some new material.

Really don't because the point stands. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win in a landslide. To the point that Donald Trump's election was virtually impossible. And yet here we are. It's very early in the 2020 campaign. Next fall when we actually have a democratic challenger, we'll be able to get an accurate measurement of Trumps chances.

[Vassenor]

Also looks like Trump considers having involvement in the Mueller probe to be treason.

[Valrifell]

You really need to get some new material.

Really don't because the point stands. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win in a landslide. To the point that Donald Trump's election was virtually impossible. And yet here we are. It's very early in the 2020 campaign. Next fall when we actually have a democratic challenger, we'll be able to get an accurate measurement of Trumps chances.

Everyone also thought Dewey would win, yet Truman still kicked ass.

Unlikely elections happen in spite of projections and pundits, I hate seeing people use a statistical anomaly (which was hinted at in polls if not predictive models) as a slamdunk. Math isn't supposed to be this political

[Valrifell]

Also looks like Trump considers having involvement in the Mueller probe to be treason.

This is why the Founding Fathers made treason the only crime explicitly defined in the Constitution.

[Ifreann]

The Democrats made Trump investigate himself. Gotcha.

Is this what happens when you're on your heels? You make increasingly obstinate comments trying to pretend you have some sort of high ground?

Is that not what you said?

[Bear Stearns]

And Hillary was 99% guaranteed to win the election.

Well, let's look at what happened to the other Presidents that lost the popular vote:

Adams - Huge loss to Jackson after that election
Hayes - Pledged not to seek re-election after the hugely controversial 1876, probably would have lost.
Harrison - Lost to Cleveland
Bush - 9/11 and the ensuing cultural shift is perhaps too anomalous to be judged objectively for these purposes.

1860: Abraham Lincoln

[Valrifell]

Well, let's look at what happened to the other Presidents that lost the popular vote:

Adams - Huge loss to Jackson after that election
Hayes - Pledged not to seek re-election after the hugely controversial 1876, probably would have lost.
Harrison - Lost to Cleveland
Bush - 9/11 and the ensuing cultural shift is perhaps too anomalous to be judged objectively for these purposes.

1860: Abraham Lincoln

Nah, he won both.

Sure, not the majority, but he won both in the way we think of it.

[Tarsonis]

Is this what happens when you're on your heels? You make increasingly obstinate comments trying to pretend you have some sort of high ground?

Is that not what you said?

That's exactly what I said, because that's exactly what happened. Doesn't make your attempt to cast it doubtfully any less obstinate. Trump never would have called this investigation on himself if he had a choice. But he didn't. If he says no, it looks like he has something to hide. So instead he acquiesces to the Democrats call for a special investigation, and he gets to bitch about it every day until it turns up right.

If the Trump Admin had squashed the investigation, the political fallout would have been catastrophic.

[Tarsonis]

Really don't because the point stands. Everyone thought Hillary was going to win in a landslide. To the point that Donald Trump's election was virtually impossible. And yet here we are. It's very early in the 2020 campaign. Next fall when we actually have a democratic challenger, we'll be able to get an accurate measurement of Trumps chances.

Everyone also thought Dewey would win, yet Truman still kicked ass.

Unlikely elections happen in spite of projections and pundits, I hate seeing people use a statistical anomaly (which was hinted at in polls if not predictive models) as a slamdunk. Math isn't supposed to be this political

The problem isn't the math, it's how the math was aggregated. All the Polls told us Hillary would win. All the analysis told us Clinton would win in a land slide. Shit I think the only person who knew otherwise was Robert Mook, who straight up told Clinton that she would lose if she ignore the rust belt, but was told to shove it by Clinton.