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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/03/08/ice-fake-university-farmington/3026214002/

It's hard to wrap one's head around what happened here, but what I gathered from it:

ICE set up a fake university in order to lure in illegal immigrants in order to deport them. When you get a student visa, you are supposed to be enrolled in a real university. Since Farmington is a fake university, every student who was enrolled there didn't comply with the terms of the visa, and were therefore guilty of an immigration infraction. As such, they are all being deported.

Many students took out loans in their home countries in order to come to the US and study at Farmington, meaning that ICE basically invited those people to commit immigration infractions by making the trap.

I feel that this is a perfect example of entrapment. Of course, since their immigration violations are civil violations, not criminal violations, entrapment doesn't really matter.

This has to be illegal. What the fuck is happening to this country? If anyone, the ICE officials responsible should be thrown in prison for fraud.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:16 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/03/08/ice-fake-university-farmington/3026214002/

It's hard to wrap one's head around what happened here, but what I gathered from it:

ICE set up a fake university in order to lure in illegal immigrants in order to deport them. When you get a student visa, you are supposed to be enrolled in a real university. Since Farmington is a fake university, every student who was enrolled there didn't comply with the terms of the visa, and were therefore guilty of an immigration infraction. As such, they are all being deported.

Many students took out loans in their home countries in order to come to the US and study at Farmington, meaning that ICE basically invited those people to commit immigration infractions by making the trap.

I feel that this is a perfect example of entrapment. Of course, since their immigration violations are civil violations, not criminal violations, entrapment doesn't really matter.

This has to be illegal. What the fuck is happening to this country? If anyone, the ICE officials responsible should be thrown in prison for fraud.

Ffs.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:This has to be illegal. What the fuck is happening to this country? If anyone, the ICE officials responsible should be thrown in prison for fraud.

Ffs.
Progressives: “ICE is evil”

Conservatives : “ICE is a legal entity doing its job within the confines of the law, it is not evil.”

ICE:
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:35 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Ffs.
Progressives: “ICE is evil”

Conservatives : “ICE is a legal entity doing its job within the confines of the law, it is not evil.”

ICE:
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Law enforcement abusing their powers?
I’ve never heard of that before

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Postby Lowell Leber » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:21 pm

From what has been shared here it is obvious we need to make immigration violations criminal offenses.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:22 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:From what has been shared here it is obvious we need to make immigration violations criminal offenses.


Is that really the obvious takeaway, tho?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:From what has been shared here it is obvious we need to make immigration violations criminal offenses.


But entrapment like this is already illegal.
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Postby Lowell Leber » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:36 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:From what has been shared here it is obvious we need to make immigration violations criminal offenses.


Is that really the obvious takeaway, tho?

*though
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:46 pm

Lowell Leber wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Is that really the obvious takeaway, tho?

*though


No, I know how it's spelled. I also know how "though" is spelled.

You see, it's mildly quicker to type "tho" than write it out fully on mobile.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:From what has been shared here it is obvious we need to make immigration violations criminal offenses.


But entrapment like this is already illegal.


But it wasn't entrapment.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But entrapment like this is already illegal.


But it wasn't entrapment.


*offers to sell you an illegally shortened shotgun*
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:57 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But it wasn't entrapment.


*offers to sell you an illegally shortened shotgun*


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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:12 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mag ... a3501eb016

Well the insurgent Progressives won’t be happy about this....
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:14 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/03/11/feature/nancy-pelosi-on-impeaching-president-trump-hes-just-not-worth-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.393e1e281c77#038;utm_term=.ada3501eb016

Well the insurgent Progressives won’t be happy about this....

Well, as that eminent philosopher Sir Michael Jagger wrote, you can't always get what you want.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:32 pm

A Broken Promise (well many, but this one is YUGE)

To be fair, Trump was never a fiscal conservative (he did call himself the King of Debt, after all), nor was the GOP fully. It would be ironic if he ran as one though and Republicans praise his economic philosophy.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/03/11/feature/nancy-pelosi-on-impeaching-president-trump-hes-just-not-worth-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.393e1e281c77#038;utm_term=.ada3501eb016

Well the insurgent Progressives won’t be happy about this....

Anyone with a memory better than a goldfish would have known this. It's literally the same stance she took with Bush and set up a massive win for the Democrats in the next election. Everyone should have seen this coming.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:40 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/03/11/feature/nancy-pelosi-on-impeaching-president-trump-hes-just-not-worth-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.393e1e281c77#038;utm_term=.ada3501eb016

Well the insurgent Progressives won’t be happy about this....


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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:39 pm

Tarsonis wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/03/11/feature/nancy-pelosi-on-impeaching-president-trump-hes-just-not-worth-it/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.393e1e281c77#038;utm_term=.ada3501eb016

Well the insurgent Progressives won’t be happy about this....


A logical decision made by a politician?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But it wasn't entrapment.


*offers to sell you an illegally shortened shotgun*


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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:42 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But entrapment like this is already illegal.


But it wasn't entrapment.


It absolutely was.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:42 am

Zurkerx wrote:A Broken Promise (well many, but this one is YUGE)

To be fair, Trump was never a fiscal conservative (he did call himself the King of Debt, after all), nor was the GOP fully. It would be ironic if he ran as one though and Republicans praise his economic philosophy.


A right wing person promises to somehow fix the debt but then just adds to it when elected.


This is why I like people who say they will run a deficit, at least they are being honest about it.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:46 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:A Broken Promise (well many, but this one is YUGE)

To be fair, Trump was never a fiscal conservative (he did call himself the King of Debt, after all), nor was the GOP fully. It would be ironic if he ran as one though and Republicans praise his economic philosophy.


A right wing person promises to somehow fix the debt but then just adds to it when elected.


This is why I like people who say they will run a deficit, at least they are being honest about it.


The left-wing person running a thousand and one social programs isn’t gonna Thanos snap away the debt as well, just sayin’.

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Postby Duhon » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:53 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
A right wing person promises to somehow fix the debt but then just adds to it when elected.


This is why I like people who say they will run a deficit, at least they are being honest about it.


The left-wing person running a thousand and one social programs isn’t gonna Thanos snap away the debt as well, just sayin’.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:53 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
A right wing person promises to somehow fix the debt but then just adds to it when elected.


This is why I like people who say they will run a deficit, at least they are being honest about it.


The left-wing person running a thousand and one social programs isn’t gonna Thanos snap away the debt as well, just sayin’.


It isn't but at least there being honest about it, plus if we are running a deficit might as well help the poor.

Or use that loan to invest in sciences, art, infrastructure, ect.

I'd vote for anyone who says they would run a deficit if they use that loan to advance there space program, cure cancer, fusion experiments, ect.

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Postby Duhon » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:58 am

Bombadil wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Smart thing would do is pivot, downplay the cost of the wall as next to nothing out of the annual budget


Nah he needs to set a precedent for Canada.. winter is coming..

More than four in 10 Americans would support building a wall across the Canadian border.

That's according to a Bloomberg poll released on Thursday that shows 41 percent of Americans would favour a "brick and mortar" wall along the Canadian border.


... why do people keep inching towards my dystopian vision of America?

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