MAGAThread XV: Because Another

[Wallenburg]

I've read that California doesn't really do as many prescribed burns as they should. Is that true?

A severe increase in prescribed burns has been suggested as an option. And you know what? I think it's a good idea. The only problem is that you need funding for that, and you can't pay for any prescribed burns when Trump wants to pull funding from disaster aid and relief.

[Bombadil]

Although he's meant to be reviewing the 1000+ pages of the bill he's actually tweeting about some author he likes.

[Valrifell]

Although he's meant to be reviewing the 1000+ pages of the bill he's actually tweeting about some author he likes.

He gets distracted easily, one of his aides will take away his phone eventually

[Cannot think of a name]

Although he's meant to be reviewing the 1000+ pages of the bill he's actually tweeting about some author he likes.

He gets distracted easily, one of his aides will take away his phone eventually

That aide is too busy doing the actual reviewing.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

A severe increase in prescribed burns has been suggested as an option. And you know what? I think it's a good idea. The only problem is that you need funding for that, and you can't pay for any prescribed burns when Trump wants to pull funding from disaster aid and relief.

In what world would prescribed burning be funded by disaster aid and relief? Unless my reading comprehension is off, disaster aid and relief comes after the disaster, whereas prescribed burnings are supposed to mitigate the risk of bushfires in the first place.

[Bombadil]

Seems he wants to swag $8B now for his wall..

President Trump's plans to declare a national emergency in order to fund his long-promised border wall will enable his administration to move $8 billion from various federal agencies to fund the project, a senior administration official told Fox News late Thursday.

I wonder which agencies will have funding removed.. environment I guess.

[Ism]

Seems he wants to swag $8B now for his wall..

President Trump's plans to declare a national emergency in order to fund his long-promised border wall will enable his administration to move $8 billion from various federal agencies to fund the project, a senior administration official told Fox News late Thursday.

I wonder which agencies will have funding removed.. environment I guess.

Well of course, if we make our country uninhabitable no one will want to come here! It’s the perfect plan.

[Myrensis]

yes and declaring a national emergency to build his stupid wall is going to be deeply unpopular and anger many in Congress.

Id like to see contractors refuse to build it.

I look forward to the conservative response to a president circumventing congress to use the military to seize private land

You mean enthusiastic cheering? Or, best case scenario, some handwringing and tongue clucking and mumbling about how that's terrible, but they have to support their President!?

Conservatives are dependent on Trump for power, so they will justify, excuse and downplay everything he does, no matter how contrary it is to their more traditional buzzwords, I mean 'principles'.

[Confederate States of German America]

I've read that California doesn't really do as many prescribed burns as they should. Is that true?

Yes, absolutely.

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2018/08/ ... rming.html
http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/d ... _Acres.pdf
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/02/21/1617394114
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/carr-fire-week-wrap/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 714001409#!
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california- ... 380388.php
http://calforests.org/download/biomass- ... -report-2/
https://www.fia.fs.fed.us/library/broch ... nglish.pdf
https://abc7.com/politics/brown-says-cl ... s/4670464/
https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2018/ ... 542Dp2YsAA

There was others, but for brevity I didn't include them.

Tl;dr is that the frequency of wildfires is decreasing in California but, though fewer, the ones that do occur are far more destructive; this is because the forests are becoming overgrown. A healthy forest is supposed to have 60-80 trees per acre but in some of the areas where the fires happened this year, there was as many as 1,000 trees per acre back in 2007. Regular burns are needed to keep areas from getting overgrown like the aforementioned places and are also a part of a health eco-system as the type of vegetation California has uses such burns to help spread their seeds.

[WhatsamattaU]

I look forward to the conservative response to a president circumventing congress to use the military to seize private land

You mean enthusiastic cheering? Or, best case scenario, some handwringing and tongue clucking and mumbling about how that's terrible, but they have to support their President!?

Conservatives are dependent on Trump for power, so they will justify, excuse and downplay everything he does, no matter how contrary it is to their more traditional buzzwords, I mean 'principles'.

More like RINOs are dependent on Trump. The herd of them needs to be dragged, kicking and screaming, or hemming and hawing. Ya kinda have to wonder if they want to have power or not, the way they flinch at doing anything that might get them bad press.

Some will have a hussy, for sure, over the National Emergency declaration. The Late John McCain will likely be spinning in his grave if Trump succeeds in funding The Wall.

Here's a link on the likely outcome to attempts to stop the National Emergency declaration:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.valuewalk.com/2019/01/legal-standing-lawsuit-emergency/amp/

[Major-Tom]

Meanwhile he's officially moved into obesity..

According to Conley, the president, who stands 6-foot-3-inches, weighs 243 pounds — a slight gain of four pounds from his 2018 physical — a weight which is categorized as obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body mass index calculator.

I don't care if he's 450 pounds, I just care about whether or not he can govern properly and with integrity. With today's actions, I sincerely doubt it. A national emergency over a border wall? How asinine.

[Shazbotdom]

Meanwhile he's officially moved into obesity..

According to Conley, the president, who stands 6-foot-3-inches, weighs 243 pounds — a slight gain of four pounds from his 2018 physical — a weight which is categorized as obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body mass index calculator.

I don't care if he's 450 pounds, I just care about whether or not he can govern properly and with integrity. With today's actions, I sincerely doubt it. A national emergency over a border wall? How asinine.

It will set a dangerous precedent. Who knows what the next President or two will do after this childish display.

[Major-Tom]

I don't care if he's 450 pounds, I just care about whether or not he can govern properly and with integrity. With today's actions, I sincerely doubt it. A national emergency over a border wall? How asinine.

It will set a dangerous precedent. Who knows what the next President or two will do after this childish display.

I've been doubtful of his integrity for many, many years. The precedent worries me as well, and I hope to find myself in a cautiously optimistic place wherein I foresee future Presidents learning from the sheer lunacy of the Trump administration. But we'll see. This is a situation wherein I don't quite know what exactly to say, other than continually express my disapproval.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

“Trying to use the 25th Amendment to try and circumvent the Election is a despicable act of unconstitutional power grabbing...which happens in third world countries. You have to obey the law. This is an attack on our system & Constitution.” Alan Dershowitz.
@TuckerCarlson

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 66080?s=20

I love the kneejerk ‘unconstitutional’ reaction, even when citing a literal amendment to the constitution. The constitution is unconstitutional.

[Vassenor]

“Trying to use the 25th Amendment to try and circumvent the Election is a despicable act of unconstitutional power grabbing...which happens in third world countries. You have to obey the law. This is an attack on our system & Constitution.” Alan Dershowitz.
@TuckerCarlson

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 66080?s=20

I love the kneejerk ‘unconstitutional’ reaction, even when citing a literal amendment to the constitution. The constitution is unconstitutional.

Well yeah, Trump has already said he hates the Constitution for having too many checks on his power.

[Zurkerx]

Seems he wants to swag $8B now for his wall..

President Trump's plans to declare a national emergency in order to fund his long-promised border wall will enable his administration to move $8 billion from various federal agencies to fund the project, a senior administration official told Fox News late Thursday.

I wonder which agencies will have funding removed.. environment I guess.

The military I hear is a big one and apparently some money from the counter-narcotics fund though that's not been confirmed. But even if he goes through with and stops Congress' override, I suspect the courts will hold it up. But here's a break down by what we know:

[*]$1.375 billion in the Homeland Security appropriations bill. Congress said those funds cannot be used to build a wall but can be used to construct other types of barriers.

[*]$600 million from the Treasury Department's drug forfeiture fund, which would come from an executive action.

[*]$2.5 billion in Defense Department's drug interdiction program, which would come from an executive action.

[*]Plus $3.5 billion from the Defense Department military construction budget, which would require the emergency declaration.

[Neutraligon]

Seems he wants to swag $8B now for his wall..

President Trump's plans to declare a national emergency in order to fund his long-promised border wall will enable his administration to move $8 billion from various federal agencies to fund the project, a senior administration official told Fox News late Thursday.

I wonder which agencies will have funding removed.. environment I guess.

The military I hear is a big one and apparently some money from the counter-narcotics fund though that's not been confirmed. But even if he goes through with and stops Congress' override, I suspect the courts will hold it up. But here's a break down by what we know:

[*]$1.375 billion in the Homeland Security appropriations bill. Congress said those funds cannot be used to build a wall but can be used to construct other types of barriers.

[*]$600 million from the Treasury Department's drug forfeiture fund, which would come from an executive action.

[*]$2.5 billion in Defense Department's drug interdiction program, which would come from an executive action.

[*]Plus $3.5 billion from the Defense Department military construction budget, which would require the emergency declaration.

If he does do this I hope that the next budget will not add additional money to those budgets.

[WhatsamattaU]

Meanwhile he's officially moved into obesity..

According to Conley, the president, who stands 6-foot-3-inches, weighs 243 pounds — a slight gain of four pounds from his 2018 physical — a weight which is categorized as obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's body mass index calculator.

I don't care if he's 450 pounds, I just care about whether or not he can govern properly and with integrity. With today's actions, I sincerely doubt it. A national emergency over a border wall? How asinine.

The Wall, or actually the lack of a wall is a factor of the illegal immigration issue, the illegal drug issue (along with the opioid deaths) and the human trafficking and illegal slavery issues. The fact that very little else is being done to address these problems by the Congress and their inability to deal with it over decades, imho, justifies calling it an emergency.

[Vassenor]

I don't care if he's 450 pounds, I just care about whether or not he can govern properly and with integrity. With today's actions, I sincerely doubt it. A national emergency over a border wall? How asinine.

The Wall, or actually the lack of a wall is a factor of the illegal immigration issue, the illegal drug issue (along with the opioid deaths) and the human trafficking and illegal slavery issues. The fact that very little else is being done to address these problems by the Congress and their inability to deal with it over decades, imho, justifies calling it an emergency.

You do realise that The Wall will in fact do precisely squat about any of those things, right?

[Neutraligon]

The Wall, or actually the lack of a wall is a factor of the illegal immigration issue, the illegal drug issue (along with the opioid deaths) and the human trafficking and illegal slavery issues. The fact that very little else is being done to address these problems by the Congress and their inability to deal with it over decades, imho, justifies calling it an emergency.

You do realise that The Wall will in fact do precisely squat about any of those things, right?

And that congress has set aside money for methods other than a wall to protect our border.

[WhatsamattaU]

You do realise that The Wall will in fact do precisely squat about any of those things, right?

And that congress has set aside money for methods other than a wall to protect our border.

The walls between Israel and the Palestinian Authority seem to work just fine. We might as well try it here.

The Congress, for the last five decades, regarding the issues about the border, couldn't find its ass with both hands, no matter how much money it spent. Democrats look at it as a matter of new voters and RINOs look at it as a sources of cheap labor.

When you build the wall, you funnel the illegal traffic into more easily patrolled zones. Pro trafficking types FEAR that if the wall has any effectiveness that the public will embrace the deportation of criminal aliens and the laws on the books will be enforced.

[Vassenor]

And that congress has set aside money for methods other than a wall to protect our border.

The walls between Israel and the Palestinian Authority seem to work just fine. We might as well try it here.

The Congress, for the last five decades, regarding the issues about the border, couldn't find its ass with both hands, no matter how much money it spent. Democrats look at it as a matter of new voters and RINOs look at it as a sources of cheap labor.

When you build the wall, you funnel the illegal traffic into more easily patrolled zones. Pro trafficking types FEAR that if the wall has any effectiveness that the public will embrace the deportation of criminal aliens and the laws on the books will be enforced.

Fun fact: America is not Israel. So just because something works in Israel doesn't mean it will work in America.

And all you have is rhetoric, not evidence that it will work, it seems.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The walls between Israel and the Palestinian Authority seem to work just fine. We might as well try it here.

Yet there’s a stark difference between the situation with Israel and Palestine and the US-Mexico border. One is practically a legit war zone, the other is not.

[WhatsamattaU]

Fact: Most homes have walls that people can't walk through and people have to go through doors to get inside.

Saying that the situation at the U.S. and Mexico border isn't the same as Israel and the Palestinian Authority is true, but it ignores the greater similarity regarding walls.

[Bahktar]

Fact: Most homes have walls that people can't walk through and people have to go through doors to get inside.

Saying that the situation at the U.S. and Mexico border isn't the same as Israel and the Palestinian Authority is true, but it ignores the greater similarity regarding walls.

Fact: You could, perhaps, break through that wall, get over with it a ladder or dig under it with a tunnel, though.