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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:42 pm

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Granted Bolton is a fuckwit; I am wondering if that was for the camera and then for "OMG" talk?

I remember guys back in my gov days. If they took notes, the page was covered........still this is Bolton.....

I would not be surprised if they wanted a war there. After all Iraq was easy......

*sighs*

I mean, it's a plain legal pad he's holding up in a weird way with the words written bigger than the lines and that's just about all that's written on it. What was that note for if not to be seen.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:21 pm

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Correct yes (though I don't think it's instant at that level yet)

Not sure what difference it makes to my comment. Humans don't perceive differences in temperature when it's very cold, or when it's very hot. There's no difference between sitting in +40c in the shade and sitting in a sauna at 90c. There's no difference between ~-5c and -50c if you're dressed like you would be for -5c. Your body just doesn't perceive it. People who are moaning about it are snowflakes.

If I remember right the most perceived and felt 10 margin difference is between 3c and 13c. Which I would assume is correct because in the first instance you need at least two layers and probably a coat and gloves, in the second you'd get away with one layer. The further you go from this, the less relevant the temperature.



80% of America is middle class and up. Roughly same for Britain. Given that poverty is near the Mexico border and in the Deep South, I'd wager this conversation is largely pedantism.

Spouting more bullshit eh?


If you feel that way you should be quite glad, finally you found someone to relate with.

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Thermodolia wrote:Spouting more bullshit eh?


He's quite good at it. I think he's got a future in politics.


It's my insurance choice if all else fails, politics/charity/teaching is where all the lost causes go.

Hey, I know one MP personally so it's a good start.

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He's quite good at it. I think he's got a future in politics.

Quite. Thinks McDonald’s is healthy. Thinks the UK without Scotland is larger than France.

France is larger than the UK population and size wise with Scotland. It’s also set to beat the UK economically this year.


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2) More fake news
3) Even more fake news, despite your hard-on for Anglophobia
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:24 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Spouting more bullshit eh?


If you feel that way you should be quite glad, finally you found someone to relate with.

Valrifell wrote:
He's quite good at it. I think he's got a future in politics.


It's my insurance choice if all else fails, politics/charity/teaching is where all the lost causes go.

Hey, I know one MP personally so it's a good start.

Thermodolia wrote:Quite. Thinks McDonald’s is healthy. Thinks the UK without Scotland is larger than France.

France is larger than the UK population and size wise with Scotland. It’s also set to beat the UK economically this year.


1) Fake news
2) More fake news
3) Even more fake news, despite your hard-on for Anglophobia



Flaming the teachers hmm?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:29 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Granted Bolton is a fuckwit; I am wondering if that was for the camera and then for "OMG" talk?

I remember guys back in my gov days. If they took notes, the page was covered........still this is Bolton.....

I would not be surprised if they wanted a war there. After all Iraq was easy......

*sighs*


House Bolton will not abide this offense. Your flayed corpse will be displayed for the world to see atop their battlements.

Does this mean that this Bolton dude is gonna end up "poisoned by his enemies"?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:31 pm

Liriena wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
House Bolton will not abide this offense. Your flayed corpse will be displayed for the world to see atop their battlements.

Does this mean that this Bolton dude is gonna end up "poisoned by his enemies"?

Trump, re: his firing of Bolton: "So cruel of Chuck and Nancy to fire John Bolton"
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Postby Minoa » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:16 pm

So, tax season in the USA has started and I saw that new Form 1040.

Honourable effort, but the point of tax reform is that in many countries, like here in London, we don't even need to touch the tax return form unless a certain criteria is met (e.g. self-employment).

Banks and employers usually tell the tax agency the annual salary or savings interest, and the computers do the number crunching so that the taxpayer can spend more time for the movies, instead of fiddling around with a calculator that cannot figure out that (√2)2=2 and not 1.9999998.

It also benefits the tax agency, because their employees can focus on resolving problems more humanely with the time that would have been wasted manually inputting so many simple tax returns that the computers can accomplish nowadays.

In some countries, the taxes are paid by the bank or employer, so that the tax bill that comes in the post is effectively akin to a bank statement that only requires action if something is wrong.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:23 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
If you feel that way you should be quite glad, finally you found someone to relate with.



It's my insurance choice if all else fails, politics/charity/teaching is where all the lost causes go.

Hey, I know one MP personally so it's a good start.



1) Fake news
2) More fake news
3) Even more fake news, despite your hard-on for Anglophobia



Flaming the teachers hmm?


What, do I look like a leftist?

Minoa wrote:So, tax season in the USA has started and I saw that new Form 1040.

Honourable effort, but the point of tax reform is that in many countries, like here in London, we don't even need to touch the tax return form unless a certain criteria is met (e.g. self-employment).

Banks and employers usually tell the tax agency the annual salary or savings interest, and the computers do the number crunching so that the taxpayer can spend more time for the movies, instead of fiddling around with a calculator that cannot figure out that (√2)2=2 and not 1.9999998.

It also benefits the tax agency, because their employees can focus on resolving problems more humanely with the time that would have been wasted manually inputting so many simple tax returns that the computers can accomplish nowadays.

In some countries, the taxes are paid by the bank or employer, so that the tax bill that comes in the post is effectively akin to a bank statement that only requires action if something is wrong.


Self-completed tax returns have the benefit of minimising fraud and evasion.

They also prevent over-taxation. In the UK nearly every person with a second-job and nearly every student with a part-time job has been overtaxed at some point or another, and billions are taken out of PAYE every year that shouldn't.

5.5 million people paid the wrong tax rate in the UK (one fifth of workforce), in addition to 800k pensioners and an unknown number of students.

Doesn't happen in the US.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
House Bolton will not abide this offense. Your flayed corpse will be displayed for the world to see atop their battlements.

Does this mean that this Bolton dude is gonna end up "poisoned by his enemies"?


What about the rabid dogs?
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:20 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Flaming the teachers hmm?


What, do I look like a leftist?

Minoa wrote:So, tax season in the USA has started and I saw that new Form 1040.

Honourable effort, but the point of tax reform is that in many countries, like here in London, we don't even need to touch the tax return form unless a certain criteria is met (e.g. self-employment).

Banks and employers usually tell the tax agency the annual salary or savings interest, and the computers do the number crunching so that the taxpayer can spend more time for the movies, instead of fiddling around with a calculator that cannot figure out that (√2)2=2 and not 1.9999998.

It also benefits the tax agency, because their employees can focus on resolving problems more humanely with the time that would have been wasted manually inputting so many simple tax returns that the computers can accomplish nowadays.

In some countries, the taxes are paid by the bank or employer, so that the tax bill that comes in the post is effectively akin to a bank statement that only requires action if something is wrong.


Self-completed tax returns have the benefit of minimising fraud and evasion.

They also prevent over-taxation. In the UK nearly every person with a second-job and nearly every student with a part-time job has been overtaxed at some point or another, and billions are taken out of PAYE every year that shouldn't.

5.5 million people paid the wrong tax rate in the UK (one fifth of workforce), in addition to 800k pensioners and an unknown number of students.

Doesn't happen in the US.



Well you called me a lost cause, in my experience leftists are the ones to do that
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:22 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
What, do I look like a leftist?



Self-completed tax returns have the benefit of minimising fraud and evasion.

They also prevent over-taxation. In the UK nearly every person with a second-job and nearly every student with a part-time job has been overtaxed at some point or another, and billions are taken out of PAYE every year that shouldn't.

5.5 million people paid the wrong tax rate in the UK (one fifth of workforce), in addition to 800k pensioners and an unknown number of students.

Doesn't happen in the US.



Well you called me a lost cause, in my experience leftists are the ones to do that


If you guess people's ideological framework based on what names they call you, you're going to run into problems
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:31 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

Well you called me a lost cause, in my experience leftists are the ones to do that


If you guess people's ideological framework based on what names they call you, you're going to run into problems


Somehow I don’t think Leftsts are gonna call me an Obumberlubber
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:36 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
If you guess people's ideological framework based on what names they call you, you're going to run into problems


Somehow I don’t think Leftsts are gonna call me an Obumberlubber


That's what you think, Obumberlubber.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:48 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:Lee Kuan Yew was a good man by (almost) all accounts.

You keep bringing up Lee Kuan Yew as an example of a benevolent dictatorship, when in fact his dictatorship was a fluke. It was an exception, and not the rule to dictatorships, because for every LKY and Park Chung-hee, you get more than a dozen dictators who are very much the opposite of them and are in fact more common than they are. It wasn't even like Lee Kuan Yew was such a great guy, the man believed in eugenics because he believed women with better educational qualifications should make more babies than less qualified ones, and he may have quite possibly secretly ordered to torch down a low-income neighborhood filled with tens of thousands of people just to make way for more lucrative developments. Dictators aren't saints because of their unchecked power, and they shouldn't be defended. And the fact that a "minarchist" is defending dictators is telling of their actual beliefs, really.

I am not defending dictatorship as an instutition, merely pointing out that dictators can do good things. Democratic leaders aren't saints either if the number of bombed Middle Eastern hospitals is any indication.
Besides, one man on a forum is hardly representative of minarchy and its beliefs.
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Liriena wrote:Does this mean that this Bolton dude is gonna end up "poisoned by his enemies"?


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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:31 pm

Sarah Sanders: God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president'


So there we have it. We've reached the full on "divinely anointed" stage of personality cult.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:Sarah Sanders: God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president'


So there we have it. We've reached the full on "divinely anointed" stage of personality cult.


Aaah, personality cults...

Beneficial in moderation, a detriment when it collapses into quasi-religious praising.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:Sarah Sanders: God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president'


So there we have it. We've reached the full on "divinely anointed" stage of personality cult.

We started out with the designation of God-Emperor so this is actually a step down.
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Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Sarah Sanders: God 'wanted Donald Trump to become president'


So there we have it. We've reached the full on "divinely anointed" stage of personality cult.

We started out with the designation of God-Emperor so this is actually a step down.


Right but that was a meme, this is the Press Secretary.

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Northern Davincia wrote:We started out with the designation of God-Emperor so this is actually a step down.


Right but that was a meme, this is the Press Secretary.

I will withhold all judgement until the Press Secretary crowns our rightful God-Emperor.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:05 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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Right but that was a meme, this is the Press Secretary.

I will hold all judgement until the Press Secretary crowns our rightful God-Emperor.


Real God-Emperors crown themselves.

Then again, Trump might miss his head.
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Northern Davincia wrote:I will hold all judgement until the Press Secretary crowns our rightful God-Emperor.


Real God-Emperors crown themselves.

Then again, Trump might miss his head.



Then he needs to find a way to place the crown on his ego. There's no way he could miss something that big.
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Northern Davincia wrote:I will hold all judgement until the Press Secretary crowns our rightful God-Emperor.


Real God-Emperors crown themselves.

Then again, Trump might miss his head.

I think anyone would miss their head if it was that far up their ass.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:51 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:We started out with the designation of God-Emperor so this is actually a step down.


Right but that was a meme, this is the Press Secretary.


Huh? There's nothing memeful about calling Trump the God-Emperor. I'm not even sarcastic here, it is an appropriate designation.

Trump came against all odds with a 1% chance of winning - pretty miraculous don't you think? Why else have we been blessed with his presence, or, better, with the lack of presence of The Other?
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:53 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Spouting more bullshit eh?


If you feel that way you should be quite glad, finally you found someone to relate with.

Valrifell wrote:
He's quite good at it. I think he's got a future in politics.


It's my insurance choice if all else fails, politics/charity/teaching is where all the lost causes go.

Hey, I know one MP personally so it's a good start.

Thermodolia wrote:Quite. Thinks McDonald’s is healthy. Thinks the UK without Scotland is larger than France.

France is larger than the UK population and size wise with Scotland. It’s also set to beat the UK economically this year.


1) Fake news
2) More fake news
3) Even more fake news, despite your hard-on for Anglophobia

You do realize that the the UK is currently ~94,054 square miles in area right? France is ~212,935 square miles in area. France has a population of 67 million, while the UK is 66 million.

I think you need to take off the pro-UK blinders mate
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:54 pm

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Right but that was a meme, this is the Press Secretary.


Huh? There's nothing memeful about calling Trump the God-Emperor. I'm not even sarcastic here, it is an appropriate designation.

Trump came against all odds with a 1% chance of winning - pretty miraculous don't you think? Why else have we been blessed with his presence, or, better, with the lack of presence of The Other?

He didn’t have a 1% chance at winning it was low but not that low. He had IIRC about a 35%-40% chance
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
Huh? There's nothing memeful about calling Trump the God-Emperor. I'm not even sarcastic here, it is an appropriate designation.

Trump came against all odds with a 1% chance of winning - pretty miraculous don't you think? Why else have we been blessed with his presence, or, better, with the lack of presence of The Other?

He didn’t have a 1% chance at winning it was low but not that low. He had IIRC about a 35%-40% chance


According to 538. Statistics is hard.
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