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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:11 am

You are a famous female celebrity actress and model worth millions of dollars. Your beautiful face is on advertisements all over the country; in interviews you come across as nice and down to earth.

However, you treat your servants and promotional agents with a considerable amount of disrespect/disdain and many have grown to resent you.

One day you are confronted by a promotional agent of yours called Fred. Fred shows to you that he has somehow acquired copies of a tape (that you didn’t even know existed); the tape visually shows the following incident:

5 years ago you walked up to a powerful film exec and “offered yourself up” to get a major movie role. The film exec said Deal. The tape that Fred has only shows you talking to the exec and shamelessly offering this deal. In real life you never followed through with it (later on you backed out) but the tape gives a different impression. In the tape, you aggressively pursue/push for the deal while he looks hesitant.

Fred tells you that he’s pretty sure that if the tape is released, your reputation would be destroyed. You silently agree with his assessment.

Fred then tries to blackmail you. The tape can stay a secret but only if you agree to his terms. His terms are as follows:

1. Fire all other promotional agents, he’s the only one now (an exclusive contract for you is worth a small fortune)
2. You have to sign a contract with him in which you give him 75 percent of all of your wealth and 75 percent of all of your future earnings from absolutely all sources of income (he has a copy of this contract right here with him)


Assume that in this scenario, the contract is 100 percent enforceable, permanent, and cannot be undone ever.

You protest and threaten to call the police but a smug Fred says “it’s your funeral.” He’s made arrangements so that if anything happens to him, his shadow network will release the tape all over the internet.

He turns to leave and says the tapes are coming out right now unless you make the deal, agree to his terms, and sign the Contract on the table. Assume that the existence of the contract can be kept from the public eye while remaining enforced.

You panic. If you sign, you will be milked and ruined financially (and massively humiliated on a personal level).

But if you don’t, the tape would be released, your reputation, career, and respect would go out of the window. Your film roles would get cancelled and you’d be damaged goods. No one would believe you never actually carried through with the deal and the memes of you being a “whore” would spread.

What do you do? Do you sign or not sign? Why?

Assume that your only two options in this scenario are to either agree to Fred’s terms or say no and roll the dice. However, assume there is literally no time to stop Fred or to “get ahead” of the release. You must choose for this dilemma, whether it’s more important to keep your destructive secret or to not “lose” to Fred.

Also, assume Fred cannot/will not be convicted of anything in this scenario because strange laws privilege/promote the release of truthful information as an absolute defense in this setting.

Also, the hypothetical is set in a world where, while the laws may seem strange, the public is for the most part content/apathetic with the status quo. As such, it isn’t practical to start, expect, or plan for a revolution (this is a clarification to maintain the spirit of the dilemma).

The scenario also assumes that the government, public opinion (global), and the studio exec/media system all have very conservative, anti-sex, anti-whore points of view. As such, the net effect of the release of the tape is overwhelmingly detrimental.

Very resentfully, I would sign. It’s the lesser of two very great evils.
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Postby Unithonia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:14 am

Seduce Fred, it's the only way lol. I'm serious, if it worked you could save your butt from everything but {censored for christian children}!
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Postby Unithonia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:16 am

Unithonia wrote:Seduce Fred, it's the only way lol. I'm serious, if it worked you could save your butt from everything but {censored for christian children}!

Although, if I really needed to choose I'd refuse, it's the less crappy one to do.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:05 am

Unithonia wrote:
Unithonia wrote:Seduce Fred, it's the only way lol. I'm serious, if it worked you could save your butt from everything but {censored for christian children}!

Although, if I really needed to choose I'd refuse, it's the less crappy one to do.


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Postby New haven america » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:22 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:You are a famous female celebrity actress and model worth millions of dollars. Your beautiful face is on advertisements all over the country; in interviews you come across as nice and down to earth.

However, you treat your servants and promotional agents with a considerable amount of disrespect/disdain and many have grown to resent you.

A. I'm not a woman, and B. I probably wouldn't even have servants and would probably treat my PA's with a ton of respect.
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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:27 am

I'd say no deal, and instead try to get ahead of the incident.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:00 am

United States of Natan wrote:I'd say no deal, and instead try to get ahead of the incident.


But you’d be viewed as “damaged goods” by the industry

It’s a lot of flak and he’s going to release immediately

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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:15 am

It goes without saying that this is not me and I would never have servants or treat a PA (were I to ever have one) badly.

That out of the way...

I would refuse the deal. No hesitation.

Instead, my character would get ahead of it. She would go on national television and tell the truth. Everyone loves the old "repentant sinner" shtick (do you know how many former drug-using celebrities, how many celebs with quote-unquote "shameful" pasts, get huge book deals?).

She would point out the terrible state of the system, that she had to do this and rebrand it as a tale of redemption and healing by announcing her new charity, to help actors and actresses who felt under pressure to submit to sexual advances to succeed in the industry.

She would then announce her new book of healing and hope, exploring the lessons she's learned from the experience.

I expect it would be a success. Those things usually are.

EDIT: That, and slaving exclusively for a smug snake, putting all of your body into earning a living, only to give most of your money to another person, from whom you cannot escape (ever) is really a better analogy to prostitution than offering to sleep with someone once to get a part (but then not going through with it), which your OP states you didn't:
Infected Mushroom wrote:5 years ago you walked up to a powerful film exec and “offered yourself up” to get a major movie role. The film exec said Deal. The tape that Fred has only shows you talking to the exec and shamelessly offering this deal. In real life you never followed through with it (later on you backed out) but the tape gives a different impression.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:18 am

Meet with him a few times, draw out the conversation and use my considerable wealth to hire the best private investigation unit I can find. Have them record the conversations and then have them record the final signing of the contract.

Then I'd report the whole lot to the police. Fred and his co-conspirators will be arrested for blackmail and no court would ever uphold any contract signed under this kind of blackmail. It'll be torn up.

I'd then release a statement claiming that the initial act took place within an industry notorious for the exploitation of young models, and that it was expected that the director in question would only ever support anyone's career if they slept with him.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:24 am

The Free Joy State wrote:It goes without saying that this is not me and I would never have servants or treat a PA (were I to ever have one) badly.

That out of the way...

I would refuse the deal. No hesitation.

Instead, my character would get ahead of it. She would go on national television and tell the truth. Everyone loves the old "repentant sinner" shtick (do you know how many former drug-using celebrities, how many celebs with quote-unquote "shameful" pasts, get huge book deals?).

She would point out the terrible state of the system, that she had to do this and rebrand it as a tale of redemption and healing by announcing her new charity, to help actors and actresses who felt under pressure to submit to sexual advances to succeed in the industry.

She would then announce her new book of healing and hope, exploring the lessons she's learned from the experience.

I expect it would be a success. Those things usually are.

EDIT: That, and slaving exclusively for a smug snake, putting all of your body into earning a living, only to give most of your money to another person, from whom you cannot escape (ever) is really a better analogy to prostitution than offering to sleep with someone once to get a part (but then not going through with it), which your OP states you didn't:
Infected Mushroom wrote:5 years ago you walked up to a powerful film exec and “offered yourself up” to get a major movie role. The film exec said Deal. The tape that Fred has only shows you talking to the exec and shamelessly offering this deal. In real life you never followed through with it (later on you backed out) but the tape gives a different impression.


He’s literally releasing it as soon as he walks out of the room

There’s no time to get ahead of it

He’s 100 serious

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:26 am

Caracasus wrote:Meet with him a few times, draw out the conversation and use my considerable wealth to hire the best private investigation unit I can find. Have them record the conversations and then have them record the final signing of the contract.

Then I'd report the whole lot to the police. Fred and his co-conspirators will be arrested for blackmail and no court would ever uphold any contract signed under this kind of blackmail. It'll be torn up.

I'd then release a statement claiming that the initial act took place within an industry notorious for the exploitation of young models, and that it was expected that the director in question would only ever support anyone's career if they slept with him.


That’s not how it’s going to look because if you delay, it gets immediately released

In fact, he wants it signed at this exact meeting (or else)

He’s playing super hard ball here because you’ve upset him

Also, the op assumes the contract can literally never be undone no matter what; it’s a permanent price

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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:29 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:I'd say no deal, and instead try to get ahead of the incident.


But you’d be viewed as “damaged goods” by the industry

It’s a lot of flak and he’s going to release immediately

Again, I'd still get ahead of it. I'd get it out there ASAP, before he can, and I would let people know I didn't go through with it, providing evidence if there is any. I'd state that Fred was trying to blackmail me, but that I won't let him. Rep might take a hit for a while, but in the long run, it would be a lot better than letting him control my life forever.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:32 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:It goes without saying that this is not me and I would never have servants or treat a PA (were I to ever have one) badly.

That out of the way...

I would refuse the deal. No hesitation.

Instead, my character would get ahead of it. She would go on national television and tell the truth. Everyone loves the old "repentant sinner" shtick (do you know how many former drug-using celebrities, how many celebs with quote-unquote "shameful" pasts, get huge book deals?).

She would point out the terrible state of the system, that she had to do this and rebrand it as a tale of redemption and healing by announcing her new charity, to help actors and actresses who felt under pressure to submit to sexual advances to succeed in the industry.

She would then announce her new book of healing and hope, exploring the lessons she's learned from the experience.

I expect it would be a success. Those things usually are.

EDIT: That, and slaving exclusively for a smug snake, putting all of your body into earning a living, only to give most of your money to another person, from whom you cannot escape (ever) is really a better analogy to prostitution than offering to sleep with someone once to get a part (but then not going through with it), which your OP states you didn't:


He’s literally releasing it as soon as he walks out of the room

There’s no time to get ahead of it

He’s 100 serious

Then I'll catch it.

"Yes, that tape is true. Due to the terrible pressure in the studio system, I did offer to sleep with Mr. Married Executive. I was young and naïve and I had no job. He could see that I was desperate to work and he intimated that I would have the job if I slept with him. I'm (*sobs*) so ashamed that I did this, but (*wavering voice hardens with determination*) more ashamed that our country allowed these master manipulators to prosper and exploit innocent young men and women.

"That's why I've started my new foundation, to inform young actors of the risks of sexual exploitation, such as the kind I suffered at the hands of Mr. Married Executive and to give them somewhere to turn when they encounter lecherous executives..."

As I say, the so-called "reformed sinner" shtick works. It doesn't matter whether the character is ahead of the story or behind.

And slaving away to give most of your earnings to someone, for dubious protection, unable to escape, is basically a different sort of prostitution. Only, actually less honourable on the part of the would-be exploiter.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:33 am

United States of Natan wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
But you’d be viewed as “damaged goods” by the industry

It’s a lot of flak and he’s going to release immediately

Again, I'd still get ahead of it. I'd get it out there ASAP, before he can, and I would let people know I didn't go through with it, providing evidence if there is any. I'd state that Fred was trying to blackmail me, but that I won't let him. Rep might take a hit for a while, but in the long run, it would be a lot better than letting him control my life forever.


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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:34 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
He’s literally releasing it as soon as he walks out of the room

There’s no time to get ahead of it

He’s 100 serious

Then I'll catch it.

"Yes, that tape is true. Due to the terrible pressure in the studio system, I did offer to sleep with Mr. Married Executive. I was young and naïve and I had no job. He could see that I was desperate and he intimated that I would have the job if I slept with him. I'm (*sobs*) so ashamed that I did this, but (*wavering voice hardens with determination*) more ashamed that our country allowed these master manipulators to prosper and exploit innocent young men and women.

"That's why I've started my new foundation, to inform young actors of the risks of sexual exploitation that I suffered and to give them somewhere to turn when they encounter lecherous executives..."

As I say, the so-called "reformed sinner" shtick works. It doesn't matter whether the character is ahead of the story or behind.

And slaving away to give most of your earnings to someone, for dubious protection, unable to escape, is basically a different sort of prostitution. Only, actually less honourable on the part of the would-be exploiter.


But in the tape it’s “clear” that you brought up/pushed for the deal

In fact, he looks way more hesitant than you

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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:35 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:It goes without saying that this is not me and I would never have servants or treat a PA (were I to ever have one) badly.

That out of the way...

I would refuse the deal. No hesitation.

Instead, my character would get ahead of it. She would go on national television and tell the truth. Everyone loves the old "repentant sinner" shtick (do you know how many former drug-using celebrities, how many celebs with quote-unquote "shameful" pasts, get huge book deals?).

She would point out the terrible state of the system, that she had to do this and rebrand it as a tale of redemption and healing by announcing her new charity, to help actors and actresses who felt under pressure to submit to sexual advances to succeed in the industry.

She would then announce her new book of healing and hope, exploring the lessons she's learned from the experience.

I expect it would be a success. Those things usually are.

EDIT: That, and slaving exclusively for a smug snake, putting all of your body into earning a living, only to give most of your money to another person, from whom you cannot escape (ever) is really a better analogy to prostitution than offering to sleep with someone once to get a part (but then not going through with it), which your OP states you didn't:


He’s literally releasing it as soon as he walks out of the room

There’s no time to get ahead of it

He’s 100 serious

I have to imagine you have security. Blackmail is a crime. Detain him until the police arrive, then get ahead of it.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:35 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Meet with him a few times, draw out the conversation and use my considerable wealth to hire the best private investigation unit I can find. Have them record the conversations and then have them record the final signing of the contract.

Then I'd report the whole lot to the police. Fred and his co-conspirators will be arrested for blackmail and no court would ever uphold any contract signed under this kind of blackmail. It'll be torn up.

I'd then release a statement claiming that the initial act took place within an industry notorious for the exploitation of young models, and that it was expected that the director in question would only ever support anyone's career if they slept with him.


That’s not how it’s going to look because if you delay, it gets immediately released

In fact, he wants it signed at this exact meeting (or else)

He’s playing super hard ball here because you’ve upset him

Also, the op assumes the contract can literally never be undone no matter what; it’s a permanent price


Putting aside for a second that no contract where someone's been blackmailed would ever hold up.

The only answer ever when faced with blackmail is to refuse. Turn down the offer.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:36 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Then I'll catch it.

"Yes, that tape is true. Due to the terrible pressure in the studio system, I did offer to sleep with Mr. Married Executive. I was young and naïve and I had no job. He could see that I was desperate and he intimated that I would have the job if I slept with him. I'm (*sobs*) so ashamed that I did this, but (*wavering voice hardens with determination*) more ashamed that our country allowed these master manipulators to prosper and exploit innocent young men and women.

"That's why I've started my new foundation, to inform young actors of the risks of sexual exploitation that I suffered and to give them somewhere to turn when they encounter lecherous executives..."

As I say, the so-called "reformed sinner" shtick works. It doesn't matter whether the character is ahead of the story or behind.

And slaving away to give most of your earnings to someone, for dubious protection, unable to escape, is basically a different sort of prostitution. Only, actually less honourable on the part of the would-be exploiter.


But in the tape it’s “clear” that you brought up/pushed for the deal

In fact, he looks way more hesitant than you

You never said he looks hesitant. And if you edit that in now, I'll ignore it.

IM, you always seem to go into your threads with the intention of your viewpoint being right.

You gave us two options: take the deal or decline.

Playing within those restrictions, I have given a very realistic, fact-based reason why declining the offer is acceptable. You can't alter the premise to make your own view right.
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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:45 am

Caracasus wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
That’s not how it’s going to look because if you delay, it gets immediately released

In fact, he wants it signed at this exact meeting (or else)

He’s playing super hard ball here because you’ve upset him

Also, the op assumes the contract can literally never be undone no matter what; it’s a permanent price


Putting aside for a second that no contract where someone's been blackmailed would ever hold up.

The only answer ever when faced with blackmail is to refuse. Turn down the offer.

Exactly! And given the EXTREMELY "generous" terms of the contract, I have to imagine that any denial of blackmail in a court by Fred wouldn't hold up; a successful woman wouldn't agree to a contract that signs away so much when I'm sure experts in the industry would testify that almost no contracts like that offer such steep terms, and with the existence of the video on his phone, there's clear evidence he tried to blackmail her and that the contract was signed under duress. A judge would absolutely void it.

And not to mention that a contract that extensive is potentially unenforceable anyway (although I'm not certain; I have not yet attended law school).
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Postby Mzeusia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:45 am

I would write something defending my actions as best I can, let him release the tapes, then go live on some remote island somewhere and get a nice quiet, peaceful job.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:48 am

United States of Natan wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Putting aside for a second that no contract where someone's been blackmailed would ever hold up.

The only answer ever when faced with blackmail is to refuse. Turn down the offer.

Exactly! And given the EXTREMELY "generous" terms of the contract, I have to imagine that any denial of blackmail in a court by Fred wouldn't hold up; a successful woman wouldn't agree to a contract that signs away so much when I'm sure experts in the industry would testify that almost no contracts like that offer such steep terms, and with the existence of the video on his phone, there's clear evidence he tried to blackmail her and that the contract was signed under duress. A judge would absolutely void it.

And not to mention that a contract that extensive is potentially unenforceable anyway (although I'm not certain; I have not yet attended law school).


There's no way any contract signed because one party was blackmailing the other would hold up.

Well, not in this circumstance anyway.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:50 am

It never ceases to amaze me how few posters will ever seriously deal with a dilemma in good faith.

I may not be able to get head of Fred's blackmail, but I most certainly can drag him down with me. 'Cry “Havoc!” and let slip the dogs of war,'
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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:50 am

Caracasus wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Exactly! And given the EXTREMELY "generous" terms of the contract, I have to imagine that any denial of blackmail in a court by Fred wouldn't hold up; a successful woman wouldn't agree to a contract that signs away so much when I'm sure experts in the industry would testify that almost no contracts like that offer such steep terms, and with the existence of the video on his phone, there's clear evidence he tried to blackmail her and that the contract was signed under duress. A judge would absolutely void it.

And not to mention that a contract that extensive is potentially unenforceable anyway (although I'm not certain; I have not yet attended law school).


There's no way any contract signed because one party was blackmailing the other would hold up.

Well, not in this circumstance anyway.

Exactly. I was just laying out why any denial from Fred in court that he blackmailed her would probably be laughed at by the judge when the judge voids the contract.
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Postby United States of Natan » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:51 am

Again, a famous actress would have security, who could almost certainly detain Fred until the police arrive.
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Postby Dagnia » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:57 am

I'd tell him to fuck off and deal with the repercussions. I don't think anyone truly looked on any of those people as paragons of moral purity, so the repercussions would actually be next to nothing, especially after #metoo. No lost roles, no one boycotting your films/shows, nothing but people thinking it's just a typical thing in the industry. If you wanted to be brutal about it, you could attempt to turn it on either Fred or the exec (maybe both) and say that you were a victim of harassment by one or both of them.
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