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Postby Imperial Hugonia » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:43 pm

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... r-woke-men

Gul and Kupfer take a related tack, but head in a slightly different direction. They suggest that female interest in sexist men, specifically men who display “benevolent sexism” may be seen by women as being more interested in investing resources in a woman.

Benevolent sexism is a concept describing a form of sexism which is overtly less hostile and misogynistic, and are beliefs that I was taught, as a man from the US South. Benevolent sexism includes beliefs that:

Women should be “put on a pedestal”
Women should be cherished and protected by men
Men should be willing to sacrifice to provide for women
Women are more virtuous than men
Women are more refined and pure, compared to men.


Notably women who were both more and less feminist displayed similar levels of attraction, and it wasn't influenced by feelings of unsafeness:

Gul and Kupfer conducted several separate experiments, showing that their results did replicate in different samples and using different methods (an important strategy in today’s replication crisis), and that the effect was apparent both potential mates, AND in work colleagues. Even in men who were not being scoped out as potential intimate partners, women were more likely to see sexist men as more attractive. Women who were both more and less feminist displayed similar levels of attraction to sexist men, so this effect isn’t the result of women not being “woke” enough.

One of the experiments tested whether women’s ratings of sexist men varied depending on cues about there being more hostile men around from whom the woman might need protection. But here again, women’s attraction towards sexist men wasn’t influenced by her potential need for safety from more hostile men.


Link to the study itself: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 ... lCode=pspc

Really throws a wrench in the claims of people who say that feminists are interested in breaking down male gender roles.

Though before people claim it's biological I'm curious about something, if it is instinctual among women, how would lesbian relationships be affected by such an instinct?

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Postby Mardla » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:51 pm

Well none of those include the corollary: the wife should obey the husband.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:51 pm

Seems to go hand in hand with the existing scholarship that men who do not treat women in "positively" sexist ways are viewed as sexist.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:55 pm

People tend to like it when someone thinks highly of them.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:01 pm

Yes! This in my view, is confirming what the Conservative movement knew all along. Tons of women might pretend to like Feminist claptrap, but in reality, most ladies aren't into it. Instead, they're fine with a man who knows his place and expects women to know theirs and treats them accordingly. Women aren't inferior to men, it is just that men are traditionally the ones that're supposed to get out there and earn the money and status for a household. The women are better suited for the child rearing.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:03 pm

Ifreann wrote:People tend to like it when someone thinks highly of them.

FEMINISM DESTROYED


That's not really what it is or what it implies. Women, whether they identify as feminist or not, are more attracted to sexist men. This is probably something they're conscious of as well given that:

Despite being attracted to them, and seeing them as good mates and partners, the women saw these males as being undermining and patronizing men who were more likely to place restrictions on the women.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:03 pm

Saiwania wrote:Yes! This in my view, is confirming what the Conservative movement knew all along. Tons of women might pretend to like Feminist claptrap, but in reality, most ladies aren't into it. Instead, they're fine with a man who knows his place and expects women to know theirs and treats them accordingly. Women aren't inferior to men, it is just that men are traditionally the ones that're supposed to get out there and earn the money and status for a household. The women are better suited for the child rearing.

But why? Can't a woman work a job, and the man rear the child? Not saying that it has to be like this, but what's stopping it?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:05 pm

Saiwania wrote:Yes! This in my view, is confirming what the Conservative movement knew all along. Tons of women might pretend to like Feminist claptrap, but in reality, most ladies aren't into it. Instead, they're fine with a man who knows his place and expects women to know theirs and treats them accordingly. Women aren't inferior to men, it is just that men are traditionally the ones that're supposed to get out there and earn the money and status for a household. The women are better suited for the child rearing.

This will probably be the only time I agree with you.
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The South Falls wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Yes! This in my view, is confirming what the Conservative movement knew all along. Tons of women might pretend to like Feminist claptrap, but in reality, most ladies aren't into it. Instead, they're fine with a man who knows his place and expects women to know theirs and treats them accordingly. Women aren't inferior to men, it is just that men are traditionally the ones that're supposed to get out there and earn the money and status for a household. The women are better suited for the child rearing.

But why? Can't a woman work a job, and the man rear the child? Not saying that it has to be like this, but what's stopping it?

Because men are typically the providers of the family, the head of the household.
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Postby Mardla » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:06 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People tend to like it when someone thinks highly of them.

FEMINISM DESTROYED


That's not really what it is or what it implies. Women, whether they identify as feminist or not, are more attracted to sexist men. This is probably something they're conscious of as well given that:

Despite being attracted to them, and seeing them as good mates and partners, the women saw these males as being undermining and patronizing men who were more likely to place restrictions on the women.

This stuff is barely sexist though, "women are better than men" is all I see, which is what Mark Hamil recently said to thunderous feminist accolades.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:08 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People tend to like it when someone thinks highly of them.

FEMINISM DESTROYED


That's not really what it is or what it implies. Women, whether they identify as feminist or not, are more attracted to sexist men. This is probably something they're conscious of as well given that:

Despite being attracted to them, and seeing them as good mates and partners, the women saw these males as being undermining and patronizing men who were more likely to place restrictions on the women.

Imperial Hugonia wrote:Really throws a wrench in the claims of people who say that feminists are interested in breaking down male gender roles.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The South Falls wrote:But why? Can't a woman work a job, and the man rear the child? Not saying that it has to be like this, but what's stopping it?

Because men are typically the providers of the family, the head of the household.

Typically, bananas are to the left of oranges in my house. Why shouldn't I switch them?
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The South Falls wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Because men are typically the providers of the family, the head of the household.

Typically, bananas are to the left of oranges in my house. Why shouldn't I switch them?

And this is how fruits infected society.
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The South Falls wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Because men are typically the providers of the family, the head of the household.

Typically, bananas are to the left of oranges in my house. Why shouldn't I switch them?

Reducing gender roles to fruit is a bad argument.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:16 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Typically, bananas are to the left of oranges in my house. Why shouldn't I switch them?

Reducing gender roles to fruit is a bad argument.

It means just as much.
Mardla wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Typically, bananas are to the left of oranges in my house. Why shouldn't I switch them?

And this is how fruits infected society.

Shuffle left, right, infect the populace.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:20 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Nobody said destroyed, he specifically said it torpedoed the idea of feminism was interested in breaking down male gender roles. That's not necessarily a valid leap but these desirable forms of sexism are rooted in traditional gender roles and feminists don't seem to find them any less attractive than non-feminists.
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Postby Teachian » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:21 pm

Ifreann wrote:People tend to like it when someone thinks highly of them.


That’s kind of what I thought when I read this. If someone is viewing someone in a biased way, but it results in them treating them in a unfairly positive fashion, people are going to probably subconsciously enjoy it.

Personally, I’d be a little uncomfortable if a significant other showed me such blatantly preferential behaviour because that’s just who I am, but the attitudes listed also tend to be highly desired in dating situations. Getting that treatment in general (even if not in a romantic way) probably naturally feels good.

Though if we’re looking for true gender equality, it does raise the question of whether or not we should be actively looking of non-malevolent biased behaviour. Personally, “White Knights” and “Nice Guys” are enough to make me say yes, even if they are the cringey extremes of this.
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Mardla wrote:Well none of those include the corollary: the wife should obey the husband.

Except that women aren’t the property and slaves of their husbands.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:22 pm

Teachian wrote:
That’s kind of what I thought when I read this. If someone is viewing someone in a biased way, but it results in them treating them in a unfairly positive fashion, people are going to probably subconsciously enjoy it.

Personally, I’d be a little uncomfortable if a significant other showed me such blatantly preferential behaviour because that’s just who I am, but the attitudes listed also tend to be highly desired in dating situations. Getting that treatment in general (even if not in a romantic way) probably naturally feels good.

Though if we’re looking for true gender equality, it does raise the question of whether or not we should be actively looking of non-malevolent biased behaviour. Personally, “White Knights” and “Nice Guys” are enough to make me say yes, even if they are the cringey extremes of this.


I actually highlighted that earlier, these men are viewed as more attractive but also viewed as manipulative and disrespectful.
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Women who like men tend to prefer the middle ground between domineering wife-beaters and self-hating misandrists who apologise for existing in between every bite of their soy and granola cereal bar. Mind = blown
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Women like people who give them stuff and respect unearned.

I’m shocked at this entirely new perspective.
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Women who like men tend to prefer the middle ground between domineering wife-beaters and self-hating misandrists who apologise for existing in between every bite of their soy and granola cereal bar. Mind = blown


And that middle ground is men who believe that women are more virtuous than men, should be protected by men, and put on pedastels by men. This isn't "don't kick them in the face and stop crying occassionaly" it's "women find sexism attractive".
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Postby Mardla » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:47 pm

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Mardla wrote:Well none of those include the corollary: the wife should obey the husband.

Except that women aren’t the property and slaves of their husbands.

But should be subordinate. Ephesians 5:22
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Dumb Ideologies wrote:Women who like men tend to prefer the middle ground between domineering wife-beaters and self-hating misandrists who apologise for existing in between every bite of their soy and granola cereal bar. Mind = blown


And that middle ground is men who believe that women are more virtuous than men, should be protected by men, and put on pedastels by men. This isn't "don't kick them in the face and stop crying occassionaly" it's "women find sexism attractive".

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