by Petrolheadia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:12 pm
by Borovan entered the region as he » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:15 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:I've recently been contemplating the idea that people's politics and hobbies are correlated. Those who appreciate something that is free and non-corporate (e.g. nature, arts, religious worship) would be more likely to support left-wing, anti-capitalist positions than those who are into more material, business-based things (e.g. vehicles, economics).
It would make a lot of sense. You're likely to be more pro-corporate if you get enjoyment from observing corporate mergers,,rather than reading a small-time writer's poetry, and if your highlight of the day was brought to you by the local forest, not Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles.
So, what do you think about my theory?
I'd say that it holds a lot of weight. Many of the anti-capitalists I've seen were art folks, naturalists or among the religious, and many car guys and economists/financiers support right-wing or libertarian politics. My anecdotal evidence seems to be backing the theory.
by Teachian » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:15 pm
by Ausinia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:16 pm
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by Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:16 pm
Borovan entered the region as he wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:I've recently been contemplating the idea that people's politics and hobbies are correlated. Those who appreciate something that is free and non-corporate (e.g. nature, arts, religious worship) would be more likely to support left-wing, anti-capitalist positions than those who are into more material, business-based things (e.g. vehicles, economics).
It would make a lot of sense. You're likely to be more pro-corporate if you get enjoyment from observing corporate mergers,,rather than reading a small-time writer's poetry, and if your highlight of the day was brought to you by the local forest, not Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles.
So, what do you think about my theory?
I'd say that it holds a lot of weight. Many of the anti-capitalists I've seen were art folks, naturalists or among the religious, and many car guys and economists/financiers support right-wing or libertarian politics. My anecdotal evidence seems to be backing the theory.
Nah it's. Social economic related and influenced by friends
by Petrolheadia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:17 pm
Teachian wrote:I think connections could be drawn, but I don’t know if I’d ever rely on it to guess what my friend’s views are.
Do agree that if you like a certain thing, it’s probably going to reflect your beliefs in politics, but at a certain point humans just get too complicated to assign like that. It’d be like be looking at some Redneck in the South and going “Definitely know what their party is”. Probably plenty of people who’d have the exact views you’d expect, and plenty of people who wouldn’t.
by The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:17 pm
by Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:20 pm
Teachian wrote:I think connections could be drawn, but I don’t know if I’d ever rely on it to guess what my friend’s views are.
Do agree that if you like a certain thing, it’s probably going to reflect your beliefs in politics, but at a certain point humans just get too complicated to assign like that. It’d be like be looking at some Redneck in the South and going “Definitely know what their party is”. Probably plenty of people who’d have the exact views you’d expect, and plenty of people who wouldn’t.
by Terra Domina » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:22 pm
by The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:24 pm
Telconi wrote:Teachian wrote:I think connections could be drawn, but I don’t know if I’d ever rely on it to guess what my friend’s views are.
Do agree that if you like a certain thing, it’s probably going to reflect your beliefs in politics, but at a certain point humans just get too complicated to assign like that. It’d be like be looking at some Redneck in the South and going “Definitely know what their party is”. Probably plenty of people who’d have the exact views you’d expect, and plenty of people who wouldn’t.
There is definitely a relation. I can't imagine when I go to a shoot that anyone there supports gun bans. But then the question of cause and effect comes up. Are they pro gun because they sport shoot. or do they sport shoot because they're pro gun?
by Sycar » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:24 pm
by Deltanium » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:25 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:I've recently been contemplating the idea that people's politics and hobbies are correlated. Those who appreciate something that is free and non-corporate (e.g. nature, arts, religious worship) would be more likely to support left-wing, anti-capitalist positions than those who are into more material, business-based things (e.g. vehicles, economics).
It would make a lot of sense. You're likely to be more pro-corporate if you get enjoyment from observing corporate mergers,,rather than reading a small-time writer's poetry, and if your highlight of the day was brought to you by the local forest, not Fiat-Chrysler Automobiles.
So, what do you think about my theory?
I'd say that it holds a lot of weight. Many of the anti-capitalists I've seen were art folks, naturalists or among the religious, and many car guys and economists/financiers support right-wing or libertarian politics. My anecdotal evidence seems to be backing the theory.
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by Tyrassueb » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:26 pm
Sycar wrote:Yes, they absolutely are! My hobby is shooting, taking apart, learning about, learning how to use, and designing firearms. I wasn't really politics before I got into guns, but then I realized that some people really wanted to take them away from citizens, which made no sense to me. I decided to do some research, and I found that countries with more gun control had a higher violent crime rate. My hobby of guns kind of jump-started my journey into politics, and I found that I agreed with right-wing views much more than left-wing views. My parents are conservative, so I guess my upbringing had something to do with it, but I feel like my passion of the simple yet fascinating machines that firearms are heavily influenced my political views.
by Kremlinian Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:29 pm
by The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:30 pm
Deltanium wrote:...going on my phone and gaming laptop ...I also pay a lot of attention to business news.
by Sycar » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:37 pm
Tyrassueb wrote:Sycar wrote:Yes, they absolutely are! My hobby is shooting, taking apart, learning about, learning how to use, and designing firearms. I wasn't really politics before I got into guns, but then I realized that some people really wanted to take them away from citizens, which made no sense to me. I decided to do some research, and I found that countries with more gun control had a higher violent crime rate. My hobby of guns kind of jump-started my journey into politics, and I found that I agreed with right-wing views much more than left-wing views. My parents are conservative, so I guess my upbringing had something to do with it, but I feel like my passion of the simple yet fascinating machines that firearms are heavily influenced my political views.
I'm going to need to see that research because from what I've seen countries with stronger gun control laws are safer and with less violent crimes.
by Bear Stearns » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:40 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:41 pm
by The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:46 pm
Sycar wrote:If that's true, how does Honduras (which has a total gun ban) have more violent crimes than the US?
by Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:47 pm
The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints wrote:Telconi wrote:
There is definitely a relation. I can't imagine when I go to a shoot that anyone there supports gun bans. But then the question of cause and effect comes up. Are they pro gun because they sport shoot. or do they sport shoot because they're pro gun?
We might actually suppose that a wide spectrum of gun regulation preferences are more or less randomly distributed among sport shooters, but that you're going to gravitate toward the more specific subset of those who share your specific view. Thereby providing the illusion that all sport shooters share your views, and that there is a strong relationship there. EDIT: I mean, by going straight to "gun bans" as the example policy, we've narrowed our observation very significantly already.
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:49 pm
The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints wrote:Sycar wrote:If that's true, how does Honduras (which has a total gun ban) have more violent crimes than the US?
Relative soiopolitical instability and similar factors, which make Honduras highly incomparable to the Untied States, I'd suspect.
A more sound comparison would probably be against Australia, where a decline in homicide rates has been noted since the passage of strong gun control measures there in 1996. At least then we're comparing two well developed and stable electoral democracies, and holding many other sociocultural variables relative constant too.
Just pulling any old random place where gun control and violence happen to coincide (the conclusion we prefer!) as proof that they coincide is kinda amateurish, to be honest.
EDIT: Also, this sub-thread is probably going off OPs topic anyway.
by Pope Joan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:56 pm
by The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:59 pm
Telconi wrote:The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints wrote:
We might actually suppose that a wide spectrum of gun regulation preferences are more or less randomly distributed among sport shooters, but that you're going to gravitate toward the more specific subset of those who share your specific view. Thereby providing the illusion that all sport shooters share your views, and that there is a strong relationship there. EDIT: I mean, by going straight to "gun bans" as the example policy, we've narrowed our observation very significantly already.
Yes, and pot smokers support bans on pot...
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I actually have a big ol post on this topic that you might be interested in. Though I think some of the links are down atm.
by Telconi » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:05 pm
The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints wrote:Telconi wrote:
Yes, and pot smokers support bans on pot...
Of course. Any regulation of any kind is automatically a total ban.
At any rate, I live in California, so I do actually know that "pot smokers" vary widely as to opinions concerning taxation, distribution, and relative merits of CBD vs. THC, and lots of other stuff. Oh, and having been shooting lots of times myself, I also know that gun owners vary widely in opinions concerning gun regulations, too.
I dunno, maybe it's just here that people aren't all cookie-cutter clones. That is technically possible, I suppose.Washington Resistance Army wrote:I actually have a big ol post on this topic that you might be interested in. Though I think some of the links are down atm.
For the purposes of this thread, not really. The only point I was really trying to make was suggesting that when we compare cases, we need to be very careful to control for confounding factors. I think that claim is both relevant to OP, and holds regardless of how gun control in Australia ultimately pans out.
by The Niceties of Normal Moral Constraints » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:13 pm
Pope Joan wrote:... maybe this is all correlation without causation.
Telconi wrote:I never said that, and your words taste bad, please keep them out of my mouth.
Indeed, and yet despite the many various debate on regulatory measures, I don't recall a single pot smoker ever telling me they supported a ban on smoking pot... Perhaps such people exist, but I have yet to find one.
Indeed, which is, in and of itself, irrelevant, unless of course said regulations are bans, which just seems oddly silly to me that a person would engage in a hobby they supported the criminalization of...
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