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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:21 am

Ifreann wrote:Working overtime without overtime pay. Yeah, take that, Soros!

The fact that a company will be able to wait 3 years before paying the overtime is dodgy as fuck, as there is a risk that A: the company may go bust, B: that the company may conveniently "forget" or "misplace" the paperwork related to the hours worked, and C: the employee may leave and start work for a different company, making it more difficult to get what is owed.
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Postby Sicaris » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:22 am

Risottia wrote:
Sicaris wrote:Oh no! We can choose to work a couple extra hours a week for more pay! How dreadful!

Seriously, OP, please tell the ENTIRE story with stuff like this..not just your view.
Oh, and of course you'd find entirely normal to have your wage postponed by three years.


Hm? Are you trying to attack me? Accuse me?

Wow! An extra day at most on the work week. This is obviously comparable to having no rights and being transported across the ocean in a cramped ship and then worked for no pay whatsoever.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:25 am

Sicaris wrote:
Risottia wrote:Oh, and of course you'd find entirely normal to have your wage postponed by three years.


Hm? Are you trying to attack me? Accuse me?

Wow! An extra day at most on the work week. This is obviously comparable to having no rights and being transported across the ocean in a cramped ship and then worked for no pay whatsoever.

Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:27 am

Defeating the elites by giving them evven more control over the lives of ordinary people. Yup, sounds like right wing populism.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:27 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
Hm? Are you trying to attack me? Accuse me?

Wow! An extra day at most on the work week. This is obviously comparable to having no rights and being transported across the ocean in a cramped ship and then worked for no pay whatsoever.

Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.

Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:33 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
Hm? Are you trying to attack me? Accuse me?

Wow! An extra day at most on the work week. This is obviously comparable to having no rights and being transported across the ocean in a cramped ship and then worked for no pay whatsoever.

Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.


it's possible to a knowledge that, and still come to the reasonable conclusion that it isn't slavery...
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:35 am

Alvecia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.

Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.


....who plans their lifetime expenses based on overtime which they wont even know in advance if they'll get?

the three years is for overtime only
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Postby Sicaris » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 am

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.


....who plans their lifetime expenses based on overtime which they wont even know in advance if they'll get?

the three years is for overtime only


The optional overtime only, yes.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 am

Alvecia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.

Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.

Nope. I mean, people often struggle each month to get their employer to pay their overtime; can you imagine how much more difficult it'd be if there was a 3 year gap between doing the work and trying to get paid for it? The law just sounds as if it is setting out to make it easier for the overtime pay to slip through the net...



Telconi wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.


it's possible to a knowledge that, and still come to the reasonable conclusion that it isn't slavery...

Sure it is, except it is generally nice if people acknowledge the content of the post that they are responding to...
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 am

Alvecia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.

Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.

I'm sure Hungarian landlords, banks, and utilities providers will be only too happy to push their bills back three years until their customers finally get their overtime pay.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.

I'm sure Hungarian landlords, banks, and utilities providers will be only too happy to push their bills back three years until their customers finally get their overtime pay.


And I'm sure that companies will pay additional interest on the wages and go out of their way to track down temporary staff from 3 years ago.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:39 am

Viva la revolution.

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Postby Sicaris » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:40 am

VoVoDoCo wrote:Viva la revolution.


Why? The overtime is voluntary.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:41 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.

I'm sure Hungarian landlords, banks, and utilities providers will be only too happy to push their bills back three years until their customers finally get their overtime pay.

I can imagine the laughter down the phone that a person would get if they called them to ask that.
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Current President of The NCR: Aaron Kimball.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:41 am

Sicaris wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:Viva la revolution.


Why? The overtime is voluntary.


Nope. Not according to the news sources posted.
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Postby The Grims » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:42 am

Alvecia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your response totally ignored the fact that companies can delay payment for up to 3 years.

Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.


It gets better. The amount of overpay you get will be "hours worked in total - contract hours total in the 3 year period".

That means that if in the 3 year period you have taken a few weeks of unpaid leave those weeks will also be deducted from your overpay.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:43 am

Sicaris wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:Viva la revolution.


Why? The overtime is voluntary.

Quote from BBC News:

New rules mean companies can demand up to 400 hours of overtime a year and delay payment for it for three years.

The word "demand" doesn't look much like the word "voluntary" to me... :roll:
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:43 am

Sicaris wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:Viva la revolution.


Why? The overtime is voluntary.

It wasn't so much to do with over time, but about the fake democracy, which is what the conversation was more geared for at the beginning.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:45 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
Why? The overtime is voluntary.

Quote from BBC News:

New rules mean companies can demand up to 400 hours of overtime a year and delay payment for it for three years.

The word "demand" doesn't look much like the word "voluntary" to me... :roll:

I demand you, The New California Republic, to log off of NationStates and never log back on again. Will you? No. Because doing so is voluntary, whether or not I demand it. The use of the word "demand" is loaded to get a particular reaction. And it worked.

PS I wasn't flamming when I told you to never log back on, it was just an example. :hug:

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Postby The Grims » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:47 am

VoVoDoCo wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Quote from BBC News:


The word "demand" doesn't look much like the word "voluntary" to me... :roll:

I demand you, The New California Republic, to log off of NationStates and never log back on again. Will you? No. Because doing so is voluntary, whether or not I demand it. The use of the word "demand" is loaded to get a particular reaction. And it worked.

PS I wasn't flamming when I told you to never log back on, it was just an example. :hug:

You are not his employer. When an employer makes a legal demand and you refuse your employer can fire you.

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Postby VoVoDoCo » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:50 am

The Grims wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:I demand you, The New California Republic, to log off of NationStates and never log back on again. Will you? No. Because doing so is voluntary, whether or not I demand it. The use of the word "demand" is loaded to get a particular reaction. And it worked.

PS I wasn't flamming when I told you to never log back on, it was just an example. :hug:

You are not his employer. When an employer makes a legal demand and you refuse your employer can fire you.

The existence of the negative consequence coupled with our actions doesn't negate how voluntary our actions are. You can choose to disobey your boss. If you don't do what (s)he says, they don't want you around. Simple as that.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:51 am

VoVoDoCo wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Quote from BBC News:


The word "demand" doesn't look much like the word "voluntary" to me... :roll:

I demand you, The New California Republic, to log off of NationStates and never log back on again. Will you? No. Because doing so is voluntary, whether or not I demand it. The use of the word "demand" is loaded to get a particular reaction. And it worked.

PS I wasn't flamming when I told you to never log back on, it was just an example. :hug:

The difference here is that you don't really have leverage over me. If my refusal to log out had consequences related to my employment, then that demand very much would be different from volunteering to log out and never log back in again.
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Current President of The NCR: Aaron Kimball.
Current NCR Ambassador to The World Assembly: Colonel James Hsu, NCR Army (Ret.)
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:52 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Remember that time you planned your personal budget 3 years in advance. Me neither.

I'm sure Hungarian landlords, banks, and utilities providers will be only too happy to push their bills back three years until their customers finally get their overtime pay.


I'm sure most Hungarians don't care, because unlike the West, almost everybody in Hungary is a freehold homeowner.

Utilities such as electricity which is just 11 cents per kwh, one third less than in Germany and half of Portugal?

And do you really think the economic situation in Hungary is so precarious that people work overtime to pay for things like electricity and rent? lmao
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Postby Khataiy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:52 am

Which country has huge protests due to failed policies France or Hungry? This isn't slavery and the hate over this is ridiculous

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:55 am

Khataiy wrote:Which country has huge protests due to failed policies France or Hungry?

I dunno about you, but I certainly protest when I am hungry...

Khataiy wrote:This isn't slavery and the hate over this is ridiculous

Hate...? Where? On this thread...?
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Current President of The NCR: Aaron Kimball.
Current NCR Ambassador to The World Assembly: Colonel James Hsu, NCR Army (Ret.)
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