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by Arayas » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:37 am
by Frievolk » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:42 am
Telconi wrote:Caracasus wrote:
So basically the word voluntary covers choosing between chocolate and lemon cake as well as a rape victim 'choosing' not to struggle in the hopes that the rapist will let them live?
The way you are using the word broadly makes it meaningless.
Using a word correctly makes it meaningless?
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Never forget that the Muslims literally made up a new meaningless name for him when they forgot the name of Adam's Firstborn.
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:19 am
Khataiy wrote:Which country has huge protests due to failed policies France or Hungary? This isn't slavery and the hate over this is ridiculous
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Darussalam » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:32 am
by Saiwania » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:39 am
Duhon wrote:Well, this is a wreck.
So if I, Magyar guy with average Magyar income, were working for a Magyar employer and he "voluntarily demanded" me to work leave-deductible overtime for 3 years without pay, why should I accept?
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:48 am
Saiwania wrote:Duhon wrote:Well, this is a wreck.
So if I, Magyar guy with average Magyar income, were working for a Magyar employer and he "voluntarily demanded" me to work leave-deductible overtime for 3 years without pay, why should I accept?
Presumably because "or else you'll be fired, and there will be someone else who'd be willing to take your job and do those extra hours." There is no need for people to be so lazy. Japan for example, has the longest work hours in the world.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Eripme Pmurt Dlanod » Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:54 am
by The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:10 am
The Alma Mater wrote:So, these seem to be the disputed claims:
1. If an employee can refuse to work the extra hours without penalty or not
2. If any non-productive day in the 3 year period, including holidays, sickleave, maternityleave etc will be taken off the owed overtime.
3. If something is voluntary or not when it is decided with a gun pointed to your head.
Leaving out nr 3; does anyone have any clear answer to 1 and 2 ?
by Duhon » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:18 am
The Alma Mater wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:So, these seem to be the disputed claims:
1. If an employee can refuse to work the extra hours without penalty or not
2. If any non-productive day in the 3 year period, including holidays, sickleave, maternityleave etc will be taken off the owed overtime.
3. If something is voluntary or not when it is decided with a gun pointed to your head.
Leaving out nr 3; does anyone have any clear answer to 1 and 2 ?
Noone ?
by Costa Fierro » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:26 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:For the same reason a Swiss guy with an average Swiss income decided to apply for a Swiss employer knowing that in Switzerland no such thing as a minimum wage exists, yet exploitation and coercion is unlikely or nonexistent.
by Duhon » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:33 am
Costa Fierro wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:For the same reason a Swiss guy with an average Swiss income decided to apply for a Swiss employer knowing that in Switzerland no such thing as a minimum wage exists, yet exploitation and coercion is unlikely or nonexistent.
The cantons of Jura and Neutchatel have minimum wages. In addition, collective bargaining agreements contain clauses on minimum compensation. A similar setup exists in neighbouring Austria, where collective bargaining agreements ensure a minimum amount is compensated. Occupations that lack a collective bargaining agreement have minimum compensation outlined in specific legislation.
So not exactly the bastion of free-market capitalism you were expecting.
by Trumptonium1 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:51 am
Risottia wrote:Sicaris wrote:
Hm? Are you trying to attack me? Accuse me?
Wow! An extra day at most on the work week. This is obviously comparable to having no rights and being transported across the ocean in a cramped ship and then worked for no pay whatsoever.
No, I'm not trying. I'm openly stating that with you earlier post you implied that being paid THREE YEARS LATER for overtime must be completely normal to you. If you think that's a personal attack, please join the chorus and report my post in Moderation.
Also, one extra day per week makes 50ish extra days per year, that is two extra average working months per year. Feel free to post your alternative maths.
by Trumptonium1 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:13 am
Costa Fierro wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:For the same reason a Swiss guy with an average Swiss income decided to apply for a Swiss employer knowing that in Switzerland no such thing as a minimum wage exists, yet exploitation and coercion is unlikely or nonexistent.
The cantons of Jura and Neutchatel have minimum wages. In addition, collective bargaining agreements contain clauses on minimum compensation. A similar setup exists in neighbouring Austria, where collective bargaining agreements ensure a minimum amount is compensated. Occupations that lack a collective bargaining agreement have minimum compensation outlined in specific legislation.
So not exactly the bastion of free-market capitalism you were expecting.
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:27 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Risottia wrote:No, I'm not trying. I'm openly stating that with you earlier post you implied that being paid THREE YEARS LATER for overtime must be completely normal to you. If you think that's a personal attack, please join the chorus and report my post in Moderation.
Also, one extra day per week makes 50ish extra days per year, that is two extra average working months per year. Feel free to post your alternative maths.
I know Italy scores poorly for mathematics in international students scores, but that sir is appalling.
150 additional hours per year, at maximum, is an extra three hours a week on the average 48-week Hungarian working year. Or about an additional 12 hours a month, which is one weekend every month with 6 hours spent a day.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:57 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
I know Italy scores poorly for mathematics in international students scores, but that sir is appalling.
150 additional hours per year, at maximum, is an extra three hours a week on the average 48-week Hungarian working year. Or about an additional 12 hours a month, which is one weekend every month with 6 hours spent a day.
Which is more than any typical worker should be working anyway.
by Petrolheadia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:03 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
I know Italy scores poorly for mathematics in international students scores, but that sir is appalling.
150 additional hours per year, at maximum, is an extra three hours a week on the average 48-week Hungarian working year. Or about an additional 12 hours a month, which is one weekend every month with 6 hours spent a day.
Which is more than any typical worker should be working anyway.
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:05 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Petrolheadia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:09 am
by The New California Republic » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:12 am
by Trumptonium1 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:24 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
I know Italy scores poorly for mathematics in international students scores, but that sir is appalling.
150 additional hours per year, at maximum, is an extra three hours a week on the average 48-week Hungarian working year. Or about an additional 12 hours a month, which is one weekend every month with 6 hours spent a day.
Which is more than any typical worker should be working anyway.
by The Grims » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:59 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Risottia wrote:No, I'm not trying. I'm openly stating that with you earlier post you implied that being paid THREE YEARS LATER for overtime must be completely normal to you. If you think that's a personal attack, please join the chorus and report my post in Moderation.
Also, one extra day per week makes 50ish extra days per year, that is two extra average working months per year. Feel free to post your alternative maths.
I know Italy scores poorly for mathematics in international students scores, but that sir is appalling.
150 additional hours per year, at maximum, is an extra three hours a week on the average 48-week Hungarian working year. Or about an additional 12 hours a month, which is one weekend every month with 6 hours spent a day.
by Trumptonium1 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:04 am
The Grims wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
I know Italy scores poorly for mathematics in international students scores, but that sir is appalling.
150 additional hours per year, at maximum, is an extra three hours a week on the average 48-week Hungarian working year. Or about an additional 12 hours a month, which is one weekend every month with 6 hours spent a day.
Up to 400 hours per year is not the same as 150 though
by The Liamese Empire » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:10 am
by Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:10 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
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