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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:34 pm

It’s almost as if Trump is trying to be the most loathsome and unpopular President in recent US history.
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Postby Syfenq » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:34 pm

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Pasong Tirad wrote:Not the Vietnamese, apparently, 32% of whom voted Republican in 2016, the largest share out of all Asian-Americans.


Vietnamese-Americans have long supported the Republican Party due to their disillusionment with the leftist ideology of the communist revolution that they fled. Trump is acting very foolishly by alienating such voters.


Vietnamese Americans were trending towards the Democratic Party before Trump. Can't say he's doing anything to slow that trend.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:39 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It’s almost as if Trump is trying to be the most loathsome and unpopular President in recent US history.

He might even beat John Quincy Adams for most hated minority president. :lol2:
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Postby Duhon » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:44 pm

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Kowani wrote:When does he not act foolishly?


He usually does act rather foolishly. It makes one wonder how he managed to graduate from the University of Pennsylvania. But maybe he is really secretly a leftist conspiring to destroy the Republican Party by deliberately messing things up.


... dude. You can own up to this fuckup.

You can do it. Come on.

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Postby Duhon » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:49 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It’s almost as if Trump is trying to be the most loathsome and unpopular President in recent US history.


Unfortunately, being a dick is as natural to the man as lying. He does it without effort, yet expects everyone to worship him whatever he does. Truly a [CENSORED BY THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION] for the ages.

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:50 pm

Well that's low.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:51 pm

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He usually does act rather foolishly. It makes one wonder how he managed to graduate from the University of Pennsylvania. But maybe he is really secretly a leftist conspiring to destroy the Republican Party by deliberately messing things up.


... dude. You can own up to this fuckup.

You can do it. Come on.


It is disappointing that so many Republicans were stupid and/or unprincipled enough to vote for Trump, but I never voted for him.

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Postby Duhon » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:59 pm

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Duhon wrote:
... dude. You can own up to this fuckup.

You can do it. Come on.


It is disappointing that so many Republicans were stupid and/or unprincipled enough to vote for Trump, but I never voted for him.


Oh. Sorry for that. Moving on.

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Postby Duhon » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:01 pm

Liriena wrote:...the fuck?


The hole, it's deep.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:03 pm

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Bombadil wrote:Seems a rather dumb and unnecessary move by Trump, who dies he think he's appealing to?

His followers and other xenophobes.


I'm not so sure, I feel his supporters all feel quite strongly about Vietnam and the positive role the US played in liberating it from communism, to send back people to Vietnam, I'm not even sure it plays to his base very much.
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Postby Duhon » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:11 pm

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New haven america wrote:His followers and other xenophobes.


I'm not so sure, I feel his supporters all feel quite strongly about Vietnam and the positive role the US played in liberating it from communism, to send back people to Vietnam, I'm not even sure it plays to his base very much.


I feel the same way, but then there have been dozens of outrageous bullshit since Trump was a candidate, so... maybe keep on trawling those hotbeds of Trumpism, Bombadil? Just to gauge public sentiment.

Maybe people like Parkus will happily volunteer one Khashoggi, but hundreds? Thousands? Of people from a country they know is anathema to them? Maybe they'll stoop to it so long as they knock on Atwood, maybe not.

You see to it, yes?

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:19 pm

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I'm not so sure, I feel his supporters all feel quite strongly about Vietnam and the positive role the US played in liberating it from communism, to send back people to Vietnam, I'm not even sure it plays to his base very much.


I feel the same way, but then there have been dozens of outrageous bullshit since Trump was a candidate, so... maybe keep on trawling those hotbeds of Trumpism, Bombadil? Just to gauge public sentiment.

Maybe people like Parkus will happily volunteer one Khashoggi, but hundreds? Thousands? Of people from a country they know is anathema to them? Maybe they'll stoop to it so long as they knock on Atwood, maybe not.

You see to it, yes?


Fox definitely won't cover this..
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Postby Kowani » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:52 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I feel the same way, but then there have been dozens of outrageous bullshit since Trump was a candidate, so... maybe keep on trawling those hotbeds of Trumpism, Bombadil? Just to gauge public sentiment.

Maybe people like Parkus will happily volunteer one Khashoggi, but hundreds? Thousands? Of people from a country they know is anathema to them? Maybe they'll stoop to it so long as they knock on Atwood, maybe not.

You see to it, yes?


Fox definitely won't cover this..

Maybe they will. They’ve pushed back against Trump a few times this year. They might find a shred of integrity.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
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Fox definitely won't cover this..

Maybe they will. They’ve pushed back against Trump a few times this year. They might find a shred of integrity.

Press X to doubt.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:53 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Not the Vietnamese, apparently, 32% of whom voted Republican in 2016, the largest share out of all Asian-Americans.


Vietnamese-Americans have long supported the Republican Party due to their disillusionment with the leftist ideology of the communist revolution that they fled. Trump is acting very foolishly by alienating such voters.

Still not 50% though.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:55 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Maybe they will. They’ve pushed back against Trump a few times this year. They might find a shred of integrity.

Press X to doubt.

Well, it is a very big might.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:36 am

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Postby Victoriaans Nederlands » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:46 am

This is just pretty sad. Why bother and disturb the communities that have more or less integrated in US?

With that said, the OP does mention that the refugees have been living here for decades, so they have outlived most of the US-born children at this point. They have lived here longer than some citizens, and paid their due taxes, so... what's the problem with them living here even as "refugees of the old war" ?
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Postby Benuty » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:47 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:It’s almost as if Trump is trying to be the most loathsome and unpopular President in recent US history.

Nonsense, that would be Lincoln for getting shot.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:49 am

Victoriaans Nederlands wrote:This is just pretty sad. Why bother and disturb the communities that have more or less integrated in US?

With that said, the OP does mention that the refugees have been living here for decades, so they have outlived most of the US-born children at this point. They have lived here longer than some citizens, and paid their due taxes, so... what's the problem with them living here even as "refugees of the old war" ?

I think its more or so the "they have a criminal record so fuck them" mentality to be honest. I mean naturalized citizenship is always within a stones throw of being taken away if the right conditions are met anyway. Not saying its moral, but this is lawful evil with a side of pettiness to fit a political platform if anything else. Given the U.S, and Vietnam warmed over disliking China not sure why the administration would do this though.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:53 am

Duhon wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
He usually does act rather foolishly. It makes one wonder how he managed to graduate from the University of Pennsylvania. But maybe he is really secretly a leftist conspiring to destroy the Republican Party by deliberately messing things up.


... dude. You can own up to this fuckup.

You can do it. Come on.

Its hardly not that much of a conspiracy theory. If the Soviets could spread through hollywood faster than syphilis on wheels, and HIV through San Francisco then sure whats to say an amoral political ideologue doesn't have a secret agenda. Now that said I doubt it is of the "leftist" variety since the U.S communists are all fucking cowards who haven't grown a backbone since the KKK kicked their teeth in the 1970s.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:25 am

Trump's one track mind and its "refugees = bad" setting rears its ugly head.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:11 am

Diarcesia wrote:This just reeks of lawful evil to me


In the US, Lawful Evil would be private corporations destroying your life through debt. What Trump's administration does is probably closer to Neutral Evil.

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Postby Virshia » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:26 am

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Diarcesia wrote:This just reeks of lawful evil to me


In the US, Lawful Evil would be private corporations destroying your life through debt. What Trump's administration does is probably closer to Neutral Evil.


Or Chaotic Evil.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:33 am

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The New California Republic wrote:There is something painfully ironic in the fact that the U.S. threw South Vietnam to the wolves by abandoning them, and then sees fit to deport refugees that resulted from said abandonment.

The Linebacker II bombing raids on Hanoi in 1972 should have been continued for several months. If they had, then it is likely that North Vietnam's ability to wage war would have been seriously crippled for the long term, and led to a more permanent solution regarding South Vietnam at the negotiating table, rather than resulting in its defeat 3 years later.


Or perhaps Nixon shouldn't have colluded with South Vietnam to scotch LBJ's peace talks in 1968 in order to boost his domestic political fortunes or lied about that and his "secret plan to end the war." BIGGER THAN WATERGATE!

And it could be argued that America should never have got involved in the first place...? How far back do you want to go in this really strange and unnecessary attempt to undermine what I said? :eyebrow:
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