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Will it affect NS at all, since NS is hosted in Australia?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-46463029

Australia has passed controversial laws designed to compel technology companies to grant police and security agencies access to encrypted messages.

The government says the laws, a world first, are necessary to help combat terrorism and crime.

However critics have listed wide-ranging concerns, including that the laws could undermine the overall security and privacy of users.

The laws were rushed through parliament on its final day of the year.

The Labor opposition said it had reluctantly supported the laws to help protect Australians during the Christmas period, but on Friday it said that "legitimate concerns" about them remained.

Cyber-security experts have warned the laws could now create a "global weak point" for companies such as Facebook and Apple.

The Plutonian Empire wrote:Will it affect NS at all, since NS is hosted in Australia?

Honestly, since '04.. and you feel not creating a proper OP is the way to go..

Bombadil wrote:

The Plutonian Empire wrote:Will it affect NS at all, since NS is hosted in Australia?

Honestly, since '04.. and you feel not creating a proper OP is the way to go..

Better? :3

The Plutonian Empire wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
Honestly, since '04.. and you feel not creating a proper OP is the way to go..

Better? :3

Much.. now go sit in a corner and think about what you did.

Doubt it changes NS much, Max makes most of his loot selling data on users to the Chinese as it is - and if the state demanded access to user telegrams, which is possibly the only real non-public form of communications on NS, I imagine the state will be severely damaged by the brainhurt contained within, it's a Pandora's Box not worth opening.

Still, we'll all just be barcodes in the future.

Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

But I don't see how this would work though. Are the Australian feds able to force Google and Apple to create a backdoor and how will this work internationally? But even if they can figure it out, don't care. Nothing to hide

I thought NS was hosted in Canada?

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

But I don't see how this would work though. Are the Australian feds able to force Google and Apple to create a backdoor and how will this work internationally? But even if they can figure it out, don't care. Nothing to hide

Until the law changes and suddenly you do have something to hide, and then you'll wish you'd cared before.

The Plutonian Empire wrote:Will it affect NS at all, since NS is hosted in Australia?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-46463029

Australia has passed controversial laws designed to compel technology companies to grant police and security agencies access to encrypted messages.

The government says the laws, a world first, are necessary to help combat terrorism and crime.

However critics have listed wide-ranging concerns, including that the laws could undermine the overall security and privacy of users.

The laws were rushed through parliament on its final day of the year.

The Labor opposition said it had reluctantly supported the laws to help protect Australians during the Christmas period, but on Friday it said that "legitimate concerns" about them remained.

Cyber-security experts have warned the laws could now create a "global weak point" for companies such as Facebook and Apple.

I don't see the thread staying open long if you don't add your opinion, OP.

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Oh, that's right, I forgot that nothing bad ever happens to innocent people and that law enforcement is always fair, reasonable, and right. I guess I'm an extremist for not wanting every aspect of my life visible to the state.

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Indeed. In fact, why should we even have homes at all? We could save tons of money and space if we moved everyone into military style barracks. After all, why even have privacy at all if you're a good citizen?

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Indeed. In fact, why should we even have homes at all? We could save tons of money and space if we moved everyone into military style barracks. After all, why even have privacy at all if you're a good citizen?

I want to say that you're suggesting the only distinction between living in barracks and houses (presumably homes was a typo) is that one is more private than the other but that would be ridiculous so I've got to ask: what's your point?

Page wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Oh, that's right, I forgot that nothing bad ever happens to innocent people and that law enforcement is always fair, reasonable, and right. I guess I'm an extremist for not wanting every aspect of my life visible to the state.

So... I suppose this is how you and your friends communicate by text message when trying to leave somewhere:

"Hey, Page, wanna leave, this place is crap?"
"Yeah, let's blow this joint!"

and you've had the misfortune to have had such an exchange somewhere near where there was an explosion? I'm sure this some other kind of metaphorical language that could be misinterpreted that sounds more like a conversation humans might have but I couldn't think of it.

Let's put it this way... imagine you're using NS to have extra-marital affairs. That's not a crime but it's probably something you want to keep secret, right? It's a big kind of secret, right? It would have big repercussions for the people in your personal IRL life but what does it mean to some anonymous government agent who doesn't know you? A slight boost to national GDP since you're buying gifts for at least two people?

I mean, if you were hiding a medical diagnosis the state might care if they believed this was somehow causing them extra costs but what does your personal life mean to people who don't know you personally? Nothing. By definition it can't. Your deepest darkest and most intimate secrets are just white noise.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

But I don't see how this would work though. Are the Australian feds able to force Google and Apple to create a backdoor and how will this work internationally? But even if they can figure it out, don't care. Nothing to hide

Until the law changes and suddenly you do have something to hide, and then you'll wish you'd cared before.

In a world where the law could suddenly change to give me something to hide I'd have bigger problems than lax privacy law.

Anti privacy laws depress me. Im not too keen on having the government snoop in on my late night porn habits. That's God's job

Are the people who govern Australia called Kangarulers?

NS is not hosted in Australia, last time I checked. Max is from Mars. [v] is from [v]enus.

Forsher wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Indeed. In fact, why should we even have homes at all? We could save tons of money and space if we moved everyone into military style barracks. After all, why even have privacy at all if you're a good citizen?

I want to say that you're suggesting the only distinction between living in barracks and houses (presumably homes was a typo) is that one is more private than the other but that would be ridiculous so I've got to ask: what's your point?

Page wrote:
Oh, that's right, I forgot that nothing bad ever happens to innocent people and that law enforcement is always fair, reasonable, and right. I guess I'm an extremist for not wanting every aspect of my life visible to the state.

So... I suppose this is how you and your friends communicate by text message when trying to leave somewhere:

"Hey, Page, wanna leave, this place is crap?"
"Yeah, let's blow this joint!"

and you've had the misfortune to have had such an exchange somewhere near where there was an explosion? I'm sure this some other kind of metaphorical language that could be misinterpreted that sounds more like a conversation humans might have but I couldn't think of it.

Let's put it this way... imagine you're using NS to have extra-marital affairs. That's not a crime but it's probably something you want to keep secret, right? It's a big kind of secret, right? It would have big repercussions for the people in your personal IRL life but what does it mean to some anonymous government agent who doesn't know you? A slight boost to national GDP since you're buying gifts for at least two people?

I mean, if you were hiding a medical diagnosis the state might care if they believed this was somehow causing them extra costs but what does your personal life mean to people who don't know you personally? Nothing. By definition it can't. Your deepest darkest and most intimate secrets are just white noise.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Until the law changes and suddenly you do have something to hide, and then you'll wish you'd cared before.

In a world where the law could suddenly change to give me something to hide I'd have bigger problems than lax privacy law.

OOC discussions for rp could be interpreted, out of context just going through a garbled message filter, as worrying.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Forsher wrote:
I want to say that you're suggesting the only distinction between living in barracks and houses (presumably homes was a typo) is that one is more private than the other but that would be ridiculous so I've got to ask: what's your point?



So... I suppose this is how you and your friends communicate by text message when trying to leave somewhere:

"Hey, Page, wanna leave, this place is crap?"
"Yeah, let's blow this joint!"

and you've had the misfortune to have had such an exchange somewhere near where there was an explosion? I'm sure this some other kind of metaphorical language that could be misinterpreted that sounds more like a conversation humans might have but I couldn't think of it.

Let's put it this way... imagine you're using NS to have extra-marital affairs. That's not a crime but it's probably something you want to keep secret, right? It's a big kind of secret, right? It would have big repercussions for the people in your personal IRL life but what does it mean to some anonymous government agent who doesn't know you? A slight boost to national GDP since you're buying gifts for at least two people?

I mean, if you were hiding a medical diagnosis the state might care if they believed this was somehow causing them extra costs but what does your personal life mean to people who don't know you personally? Nothing. By definition it can't. Your deepest darkest and most intimate secrets are just white noise.



In a world where the law could suddenly change to give me something to hide I'd have bigger problems than lax privacy law.

OOC discussions for rp could be interpreted, out of context just going through a garbled message filter, as worrying.

Well, yes, they could. This would also involve not just incompetent but actively illiterate investigators or some kind of dystopic AI operating with no oversight so, again, I return to the point... I'd be living in a world with bigger problems than privacy.

Forsher wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:OOC discussions for rp could be interpreted, out of context just going through a garbled message filter, as worrying.

Well, yes, they could. This would also involve not just incompetent but actively illiterate investigators or some kind of dystopic AI operating with no oversight so, again, I return to the point... I'd be living in a world with bigger problems than privacy.

Not really, governments with large majorities can get any shit through parliaments with very little to stop them.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Forsher wrote:
Well, yes, they could. This would also involve not just incompetent but actively illiterate investigators or some kind of dystopic AI operating with no oversight so, again, I return to the point... I'd be living in a world with bigger problems than privacy.

Not really, governments with large majorities can get any shit through parliaments with very little to stop them.

Which has what to do with flawed hiring practices, lax regulation and the development of evil AIs?

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:Don't care. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

But I don't see how this would work though. Are the Australian feds able to force Google and Apple to create a backdoor and how will this work internationally? But even if they can figure it out, don't care. Nothing to hide

Until the law changes and suddenly you do have something to hide, and then you'll wish you'd cared before.

What law change would affect me?

Australian rePublic wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Until the law changes and suddenly you do have something to hide, and then you'll wish you'd cared before.

What law change would affect me?

I don't know. I neither know nor wish to know any of your secrets.

The blAAtschApen wrote:Are the people who govern Australia called Kangarulers?

NS is not hosted in Australia, last time I checked. Max is from Mars. [v] is from [v]enus.

That's actually a good point. How about encryption for non-Australian websites?

What I am scared of is how this opens a door to hackers

Australian rePublic wrote:What I am scared of is how this opens a door to hackers

See, now these are people who might actually care about your Extra Marital Affairs.

Australian rePublic wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Until the law changes and suddenly you do have something to hide, and then you'll wish you'd cared before.

What law change would affect me?

Who knows. Perhaps the government will declare orthodoxy to be heresy and create special camps ?

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:What law change would affect me?

I don't know. I neither know nor wish to know any of your secrets.

My secrets are not illegal

Forsher wrote:

Australian rePublic wrote:What I am scared of is how this opens a door to hackers

See, now these are people who might actually care about your Extra Marital Affairs.

Extra marital affairs? I'm a virgin bachelore!