Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:40 pmKubumba Tribe wrote:How many times do I have to say that this isn't a religious debate thread???
You’re not my real mum!
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:40 pmPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:40 pmYou’re not my real mum!
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:40 pmSukberia wrote:Kannap wrote:
You thinking Satan created Hell is a show of your ignorance. Lucifer and his angels rebelled against God and tried to conquer Heaven, God created Hell as their prison.
Ah sorry. Different optics of christianity. So... he created a prison... GOD CREATED HELL TO TORTURE PEOPLE. WOW, WHAT A MERCIFUL AND KIND SAVIOR.
If he's God, can't he just change their personnality?
He gave them free will, and they rebelled against Him thinking they were greater than Him. Now let's get back on topic.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:40 pmSukberia wrote:Kannap wrote:
You thinking Satan created Hell is a show of your ignorance. Lucifer and his angels rebelled against God and tried to conquer Heaven, God created Hell as their prison.
Ah sorry. Different optics of christianity. So... he created a prison... GOD CREATED HELL TO TORTURE PEOPLE. WOW, WHAT A MERCIFUL AND KIND SAVIOR.
If he's God, can't he just change their personnality?
Seriously, stop threadjacking.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 pmSukberia wrote:Kannap wrote:
You thinking Satan created Hell is a show of your ignorance. Lucifer and his angels rebelled against God and tried to conquer Heaven, God created Hell as their prison.
Ah sorry. Different optics of christianity. So... he created a prison... GOD CREATED HELL TO TORTURE PEOPLE. WOW, WHAT A MERCIFUL AND KIND SAVIOR.
If he's God, can't he just change their personnality?
Your failure to understand what Christianity is all about is astounding considering it's simple enough that even children can get the gist of it.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 pmMajor-Tom wrote:Olerand wrote:Well... What can we do?
At risk of sounding like a hypocrite (I tout civil liberties as a sacrosanct thing), I personally would have zero qualms with French, German, Belgian etc etc, whatever intelligence agency it is for any given country, interviewing and keeping tabs on these guys to assess the risk that they carry out a terrorist attack.
Obviously, it wouldn't prevent every attack, it probably wouldn't even prevent a quarter of them. But to have even the slightest levels of mitigating tactics on that particular front could potentially save lives in the future.
Oh neither would I. And honestly neither would our politicians, we're malleable people. But logistically, there's 11,000 of them. That's... quite the resources.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 pmToaslandia wrote:Sukberia wrote:
Ah sorry. Different optics of christianity. So... he created a prison... GOD CREATED HELL TO TORTURE PEOPLE. WOW, WHAT A MERCIFUL AND KIND SAVIOR.
If he's God, can't he just change their personnality?
He gave them free will, and they rebelled against Him thinking they were greater than Him. Now let's get back on topic.
He would know about it. God would know they would rebel.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 pmSukberia wrote:Toaslandia wrote:He made us imperfect, but he sacrificed his only son to save us from sin. We are given the choice to live by his word or not to.
Why not just kill Satan? Or gather us all on a room and show us his love?
"Nah, just gonna send my son on this remote and barren are of the middle east and that will show them my love."
Yeah bullshit.
To be fair, the known world at that time, for the Romans and the Israelites alike, was the lands around the Mediterranean. If you're thinking him being born in Israel today is equivalent to 2,000 years ago, you're not in the right mindset.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:41 pmAnyone who's talking about Allah SWT go here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=445882
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pmNo, man became imperfect with the fall.Sukberia wrote:Napkiraly wrote:That's always been the case with Christianity. Though showing that the person is truly repenting takes time and work to show as opposed to mere words.
-God makes man imperfect.
-God is God, so he knows that humans will sin.
-He makes humans suffer, because they sin.
-But he knew this.
-God is good, so he allows Satan to make Hell.
-Blames it all on Satan.
-???
-Profit.
God knows we can sin but urges us to not sin.
God is also willing to grant us mercy if we show genuine repentance for our transgressions.
People suffer when they break the rules is nothing particularly shocking.
God created Hell. Hell is a prison with Satan being it's longest and greatest prisoner.
No, not all evil is due to Satan. I'd actually say most evil is our own doing.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pmJihadi's tend to be quite auth, yes. However a lot of them follow Marxist or leftist thought economically, Hezbollah being an example due to the state ownership of multiple sectors as well as local communal interference as well. Libya under Gaddafi serves as an example and Iran practices is own unique blend. (Mainly due to sanctions)
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pmOlerand wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
At risk of sounding like a hypocrite (I tout civil liberties as a sacrosanct thing), I personally would have zero qualms with French, German, Belgian etc etc, whatever intelligence agency it is for any given country, interviewing and keeping tabs on these guys to assess the risk that they carry out a terrorist attack.
Obviously, it wouldn't prevent every attack, it probably wouldn't even prevent a quarter of them. But to have even the slightest levels of mitigating tactics on that particular front could potentially save lives in the future.
Oh neither would I. And honestly neither would our politicians, we're malleable people. But logistically, there's 11,000 of them. That's... quite the resources.
Honestly, I probably should've taken the raw numbers into consideration. This is why I don't work in an intelligence agency or anything logistical.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pmKubumba Tribe wrote:Anyone who's talking about Allah SWT go here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=445882
Once is not custom, but I have to agree. Neither Jesus, nor Allah, nor God, nor Yahweh are in Strasbourg. So.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pmKannap wrote:Sukberia wrote:Why not just kill Satan? Or gather us all on a room and show us his love?
"Nah, just gonna send my son on this remote and barren are of the middle east and that will show them my love."
Yeah bullshit.
To be fair, the known world at that time, for the Romans and the Israelites alike, was the lands around the Mediterranean. If you're thinking him being born in Israel today is equivalent to 2,000 years ago, you're not in the right mindset.
See, if I was God, i would make Jesus appear in everyone's mind. That way it would be impossible for the Aztecs not to know Jesus.
Then again, if i was God i wouldn't create Lucifer, since i wouldn't want a scapegoat
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pmBalnik wrote:Jihadi's tend to be quite auth, yes. However a lot of them follow Marxist or leftist thought economically, Hezbollah being an example due to the state ownership of multiple sectors as well as local communal interference as well. Libya under Gaddafi serves as an example and Iran practices is own unique blend. (Mainly due to sanctions)
Jihad isn't political.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmI'm trying to debate if it's worth the effort. Given your immature responses and unrepentant ignorance of the subject of theology, I'm leaning toward it not being so.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmI hate when people chalk everything bad up to illegal immigrants.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmKubumba Tribe wrote:Balnik wrote:Jihadi's tend to be quite auth, yes. However a lot of them follow Marxist or leftist thought economically, Hezbollah being an example due to the state ownership of multiple sectors as well as local communal interference as well. Libya under Gaddafi serves as an example and Iran practices is own unique blend. (Mainly due to sanctions)
Jihad isn't political.
Yes it is.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmSukberia wrote:Kannap wrote:
To be fair, the known world at that time, for the Romans and the Israelites alike, was the lands around the Mediterranean. If you're thinking him being born in Israel today is equivalent to 2,000 years ago, you're not in the right mindset.
See, if I was God, i would make Jesus appear in everyone's mind. That way it would be impossible for the Aztecs not to know Jesus.
Then again, if i was God i wouldn't create Lucifer, since i wouldn't want a scapegoat
Get back on topic man.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmThat's because your idea of religion is a very poor one. Even Richard Dawkins has a better grasp and all he can do is handle the lowest hanging fruit.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmBalnik wrote:Jihadi's tend to be quite auth, yes. However a lot of them follow Marxist or leftist thought economically, Hezbollah being an example due to the state ownership of multiple sectors as well as local communal interference as well. Libya under Gaddafi serves as an example and Iran practices is own unique blend. (Mainly due to sanctions)
Uh... State-ownership of things is in no way exclusive to the left or to Marxism.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmSukberia wrote:Kannap wrote:
You thinking Satan created Hell is a show of your ignorance. Lucifer and his angels rebelled against God and tried to conquer Heaven, God created Hell as their prison.
Ah sorry. Different optics of christianity. So... he created a prison... GOD CREATED HELL TO TORTURE PEOPLE. WOW, WHAT A MERCIFUL AND KIND SAVIOR.
If he's God, can't he just change their personnality?
He created Hell for Satan and his angel coup-friends. Why throw Hitler in jail after his coup attempt? Why should any government throw coup participants or rebels in jail then?
That's what you're trying to say to me.
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmThat’s unfortunate. My heart goes out to the victims
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:43 pmKubumba Tribe wrote:Anyone who's talking about Allah SWT go here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=445882
No one is talking about Allah.