Strasbourg terrorist incident

[Sukberia]

And here i was thinking that God was a bad guy!

He allows us to repent! To repent of being inperfect, like he made us! AHAAHAHAH

It was already established that you were ignorant of religion, you didn't need to add further evidence by spouting nonsense.

Nice rebuttal.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Guys this isn't a religious debate thread.

Every terrorism thread devolves into an argument about religion eventually.

Especially when said terrorism is motivated by religion.

[Olerand]

When it pops up every time, and I mean every time, it is a game. When the bodies are not yet cold and the whatabouttery and pogrom fetishism comes out in force, it's a game, let's not pretend otherwise.

And he will be probably be killed. French police, never lenient on protesters, are even less so on terrorists.

Again, it's not a game. It's a matter of waiting for confirmation before making assumptions.

I've made my point. We will have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying it is for you, you had the decency, as you always do, to give condolences first.

Okay....but I wasn't talking about that. Read what I wrote again.

I know, but I presumed The Telegraph's information that the man is 'radicalised' stems from the fact that he is on the 'S' security watchlist, especially since it's followed immediately by that information (otherwise I'm not sure what information specifically the Telegraph is using to base the fact that the man is 'radicalised', his security label is clearly being used as the foundation backing up the claim that he is radicalised)

No French authority has confirmed his identity or ideology.

[Fartsniffage]

Okay....but I wasn't talking about that. Read what I wrote again.

I know, but I presumed The Telegraph's information that the man is 'radicalised' stems from the fact that he is on the 'S' security watchlist, especially since it's followed immediately by that information (otherwise I'm not sure what information specifically the Telegraph is using to base the fact that the man is 'radicalised', his security label is clearly being used as the foundation backing up the claim that he is radicalised)

Well they have a photo and he looks muslim, and there are tweets from French politicians complaining about muslim terrorism. It's all in the article.

[Sukberia]

And here i was thinking that God was a bad guy!

He allows us to repent! To repent of being inperfect, like he made us! AHAAHAHAH

That's always been the case with Christianity. Though showing that the person is truly repenting takes time and work to show as opposed to mere words.

-God makes man imperfect.
-God is God, so he knows that humans will sin.
-He makes humans suffer, because they sin.
-But he knew this.
-God is good, so he allows Satan to make Hell.
-Blames it all on Satan.
-???
-Profit.

[Kannap]

Funny thing is the original Baptist denomination, American Baptist Churches USA, is quite liberal. The Southern Baptist Convention, the ultra conservatives you probably know as the Baptists, left them in 1845 when the American Baptists told southern Baptists they can't remain in the ministry and own slaves. Cooperative Baptist Fellowship popped up in 1991, breaking away from the Southern Baptist Convention, swinging just slightly left of center - they stick to being moderate between the other two.

Oh that's interesting. How large would you say the ABC USA is in comparison to the Southern Baptists? They must be quite smaller if I only know the SBC as the "Baptists".

ABC USA = 5,089 congregations, 1.2 million members
SBC = 47,000 congregations, 15 million members

[Toaslandia]

I know, but I presumed The Telegraph's information that the man is 'radicalised' stems from the fact that he is on the 'S' security watchlist, especially since it's followed immediately by that information (otherwise I'm not sure what information specifically the Telegraph is using to base the fact that the man is 'radicalised', his security label is clearly being used as the foundation backing up the claim that he is radicalised)

Well they have a photo and he looks muslim, and there are tweets from French politicians complaining about muslim terrorism. It's all in the article.

How does someone look Muslim? Do you mean Middle Eastern?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Latest update from 10 mins ago: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 4784987844

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's always been the case with Christianity. Though showing that the person is truly repenting takes time and work to show as opposed to mere words.

-God makes man imperfect.
-God is God, so he knows that humans will sin.
-He makes humans suffer, because they sin.
-But he knew this.
-God is good, so he allows Satan to make Hell.
-Blames it all on Satan.
-???
-Profit.

This is not a religious debate thread.

[Saiwania]

In terms of Christian holidays, it isn't as holy as people think given its origins. The history that Christmas has, suggests that it has gone through periods of being held in low or high regard by most Christians. Many theologians have come to a consensus that Jesus probably wouldn't want people to celebrate either his conception or birth, but rather his death and resurrection. Easter is said to be the original Christian holiday, but with nothing silly like an Easter bunny obviously.

[Sukberia]

Guys this isn't a religious debate thread.

Every terrorism thread devolves into an argument about religion eventually.

Especially when said terrorism is motivated by religion.

*Insert image of Michael Scott, saying "Thank you" and hitting on his table,here

[Toaslandia]

That's always been the case with Christianity. Though showing that the person is truly repenting takes time and work to show as opposed to mere words.

-God makes man imperfect.
-God is God, so he knows that humans will sin.
-He makes humans suffer, because they sin.
-But he knew this.
-God is good, so he allows Satan to make Hell.
-Blames it all on Satan.
-???
-Profit.

He made us imperfect, but he sacrificed his only son to save us from sin. We are given the choice to live by his word or not to.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Again, it's not a game. It's a matter of waiting for confirmation before making assumptions.

I've made my point. We will have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying it is for you, you had the decency, as you always do, to give condolences first.

I know, but I presumed The Telegraph's information that the man is 'radicalised' stems from the fact that he is on the 'S' security watchlist, especially since it's followed immediately by that information (otherwise I'm not sure what information specifically the Telegraph is using to base the fact that the man is 'radicalised', his security label is clearly being used as the foundation backing up the claim that he is radicalised)

No French authority has confirmed his identity or ideology.

Well, it is a sad event. No matter the motivation. I'm just careful not to assume anything until the information provided reveals otherwise. Officially, the perpetrator hasn't been identified as being an Islamic extremist.

[Otira]

Don't Jihadists count as right-wing?

No. Jihad isn't a political thing.

Hah.

[Olerand]

350 mobilized persons, 100 active policepeople, 2 helicopters, and the soldiers deployed in the Sentinelle mission. France has also passed to the next level in the urgency scale, reinforcing border controls and military presence around public locations and festivities.

The terrorist is known for crimes in Germany as well.

[Kubumba Tribe]

In terms of Christian holidays, it isn't as holy as people think given its origins. The history that Christmas has, suggests that it has gone through periods of being held in low or high regard by most Christians. Many theologians have come to a consensus that Jesus probably wouldn't want people to celebrate either his conception or birth, but rather his death and resurrection. Easter is said to be the original Christian holiday, but with nothing silly like an Easter bunny obviously.

This is a thread about a terrorist attack, not the history of Chrsitmas.

[Sukberia]

-God makes man imperfect.
-God is God, so he knows that humans will sin.
-He makes humans suffer, because they sin.
-But he knew this.
-God is good, so he allows Satan to make Hell.
-Blames it all on Satan.
-???
-Profit.

This is not a religious debate thread.

Yup, but i did got called on "not knowing anything about religion". Proving a point.

[Fartsniffage]

Well they have a photo and he looks muslim, and there are tweets from French politicians complaining about muslim terrorism. It's all in the article.

How does someone look Muslim? Do you mean Middle Eastern?

Or North African.

[Kubumba Tribe]

No. Jihad isn't a political thing.

Hah.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Latest update from 10 mins ago: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 4784987844

FIY, that link doesn't work.

[Toaslandia]

This is not a religious debate thread.

Yup, but i did got called on "not knowing anything about religion". Proving a point.

Because you insulted several people's beliefs. And you were wrong about them too.

[Purgatio]

I know, but I presumed The Telegraph's information that the man is 'radicalised' stems from the fact that he is on the 'S' security watchlist, especially since it's followed immediately by that information (otherwise I'm not sure what information specifically the Telegraph is using to base the fact that the man is 'radicalised', his security label is clearly being used as the foundation backing up the claim that he is radicalised)

Well they have a photo and he looks muslim, and there are tweets from French politicians complaining about muslim terrorism. It's all in the article.

“How many terror attacks by those on “S” watchlist do we have to suffer before adapting our law to the fight against terrorism. What are we waiting for to finally wage war to eradicate Islamic fundamentalism that has declared war on us?”, asked Laurent Wauquiez, the Right-wing Republicans party leader.

This is the only French politician who specifically mentioned Islam, Marine Le Pen was equivocal and spoke about 'radicalism' but never mentioned any specific religion. So that one politician thinks the guy is Muslim isn't really evidence of anything (it just means some politicians are more than happen to jump the gun before all details are fully disclosed).

[Major-Tom]

Just a sad situation where I can't possibly understand the trauma of living through such a horrific event, really. It seems the suspect was known to French authorities, which really leads me to the question, what can intelligence services do about people on "watchlists" without violating civil liberties immensely? If I recall, there have been multiple attacks in Europe where the perpetrator was already on a list of sorts.

Nothing.

Sounds quite defeatist, if you ask me.

[Kubumba Tribe]

This is not a religious debate thread.

Yup, but i did got called on "not knowing anything about religion". Proving a point.

Then do it in the appropriate thread.

[Olerand]

In terms of Christian holidays, it isn't as holy as people think given its origins. The history that Christmas has, suggests that it has gone through periods of being held in low or high regard by most Christians. Many theologians have come to a consensus that Jesus probably wouldn't want people to celebrate either his conception or birth, but rather his death and resurrection. Easter is said to be the original Christian holiday, but with nothing silly like an Easter bunny obviously.

That's nice.

I've made my point. We will have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying it is for you, you had the decency, as you always do, to give condolences first.


No French authority has confirmed his identity or ideology.

Well, it is a sad event. No matter the motivation. I'm just careful not to assume anything until the information provided reveals otherwise. Officially, the perpetrator hasn't been identified as being an Islamic extremist.

Which is true. Obstinate whatabouttery and deflection however...

EDIT: Not saying you do that.