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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:18 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Toaslandia wrote:Better than the bloody EU right now.


We don't trhrow people off roofs here, nor we stone women and scientists. And we don't make worshipping pedophiles mandatory

Neither do Middle Eastern countries. In Saudi I'm pretty sure that'd get you killed.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:18 pm

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Purgatio wrote:
Make them submit....by bombing them, yes? Bombs which can hit civilians - including women and homosexuals (the people you wanna protect). Did you invent a 'straight male Muslim-only' bomb that I don't know about? Does this technology exist?


You're right, it's best to let them exist. Like we should have to Nazi Germany? Appeasement 2.0?


The war against Nazi Germany did end up saving Jewish and Slavic lives, yes, but I've yet to see evidence that bombing the Middle East will save LGBT lives. As an LGBT individual I'm all for a policy that will save LGBT lives, but Middle Eastern invasions have been tried before and, to put it mildly, the Middle East isn't some magic pro-gay friendly utopia today. If you can prove your plan will lead to that outcome, then great, I'm all for it. Until then, don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay.
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:19 pm

Aeritania wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:The Brothers Tsarnaev: A Case Study on Not Releasing Information to the Public

What are you trying to say? I don't have an exact recollection of the Marathon Bombings, what happened with them?

The BPD released information on the Tsarnaev brothers before they had them in custody, and the ensuing witch-hunt caught a bunch of innocent people in it who were doxxed, threatened, and harassed for weeks, even after their innocence was made clear by the Police, who were forced to release further information to get wannabe detectives to stop threatening these people.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:19 pm

Olerand wrote:
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Make a law saying citizens can be deported? Vive la révolution

Deport them where? If you're French, and only French, we're going to deport you to...


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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:19 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Sukberia wrote:
So you believe that these nations should just exist with their backwards laws? Ok then.

Also... you don't advocate for that? Uh, because socialist nations were true utopias. (Granted that their final project was never completer, they were shitholes nonetheless.) So it's funny to see you advocate for places like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran and Pakistan.
Where have i advocated for those countries and their theocratic laws.

Show me the posts.

Go on.


You actually didn't. I stand corrected. Disregard all posts of me saying that.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:20 pm

Olerand wrote:
Aeritania wrote:If the police know who this guy is and have seen him, why haven't they released any information about him? Is that just a European thing? I would think they would want people to know what this guy looks like in case they run into him if he's still at large. This whole thing just seems strange.

What for? You'll get when the prosecutor of Paris, who is in charge of terrorism cases, releases his statement.

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Hmmm... guess that means I'm popular in France. :3

We have plenty of anarchists. Most aren't relevant enough to be fiché S.

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So what's the implication of the Interior Ministry labelling you 'S'? Is it just the typical extra scrutiny and surveillance and vigilance?

Officially, yes. Logistically no.

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Make a law saying citizens can be deported? Vive la révolution

Deport them where? If you're French, and only French, we're going to deport you to...

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Make them submit....by bombing them, yes? Bombs which can hit civilians - including women and homosexuals (the people you wanna protect). Did you invent a 'straight male Muslim-only' bomb that I don't know about? Does this technology exist?

Right... Well changes are we didn't bomb this man, who was born in Strasbourg in 1989. So, these comments are a little irrelevant to this, and to France really.


I was responding to a poster advocating bombing the Middle East. I wasn't implying bombing the Middle East would have prevented this attack (although the person I was replying to was, I think)
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:20 pm

Netherspace wrote:Jesus Christ, can you people not turn this into a political thing for once? Could you all just take a damn second to mourn the loss of life before making it into an ideological rant? People fucking died, and that is a terrible, terrible thing, no matter who did it. Is the most likely and popular theory that it was a radical Islamist? Yes. Could it have also been an alt-rightist, or just some randomly, non-politically-motivated nutjob? Yes! And that does not mean that all Muslims are evil ISIS terrorists, or that the mainstream media thinks they are. For the love of God, NSG, grow a fucking sense of compassion. This is why I stick to II and F7.

It really couldn't be alt-rightists, not at a Christmas market. Also, the alt-right is a pathetic disease that we thankfully do not suffer from. We have their much more credible, and more threatening predecessors, who actually have an ideology and less trolls, the identarian movement.
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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Olerand wrote:
Netherspace wrote:Jesus Christ, can you people not turn this into a political thing for once? Could you all just take a damn second to mourn the loss of life before making it into an ideological rant? People fucking died, and that is a terrible, terrible thing, no matter who did it. Is the most likely and popular theory that it was a radical Islamist? Yes. Could it have also been an alt-rightist, or just some randomly, non-politically-motivated nutjob? Yes! And that does not mean that all Muslims are evil ISIS terrorists, or that the mainstream media thinks they are. For the love of God, NSG, grow a fucking sense of compassion. This is why I stick to II and F7.

It really couldn't be alt-rightists, not at a Christmas market. Also, the alt-right is a pathetic disease that we thankfully do not suffer from. We have their much more credible, and more threatening predecessors, who actually have an ideology and less trolls, the identarian movement.

Where are you? Not suffering from the alt-right sounds like paradise.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Sukberia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Where have i advocated for those countries and their theocratic laws.

Show me the posts.

Go on.


You actually didn't. I stand corrected. Disregard all those of me saying that.

Heres a hint, when you go to call someone X, Y and Z, make sure they have actually supported X, Y and Z.

Or else your are talking out your fucking hole.

For example, i have a signature, with a spoiler box called "stuff and thangs" with a "neh" segment in red, showing its bad, and in that segment is "National/Religious Wankery" and "Zealots" theocratic assholes who dictate how people live their lives due to fucking books from centures ago because sky man fall under that category. So it was fucking obvious from the get go, i dont support the likes of Iran or Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Olerand wrote:
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Hmmm... guess that means I'm popular in France. :3

We have plenty of anarchists. Most aren't relevant enough to be fiché S.


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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:The Brothers Tsarnaev: A Case Study on Not Releasing Information to the Public


Nah, it's pretty common in Europe not to release the identity until the police have a chance to round up their family/friends/co-conspirators. Seeing the name of the suspect on the news might make them flee before they can be interviewed.

The general procedure is much less public-obsessed and 24/7 news friendly. We don't have the infamous "walk of shame" or whatever either. Which often leads to such funny scenes as having people be escorted out covered in blankets or towels or whatever.

Kannap wrote:
Olerand wrote:No one's waiting for their statement anyway.


Wait, doesn't the EU parliament meet in Brussels? What are they doing in Strasbourg anyway?

The EU Parliament splits its time between Brussels and Strasbourg. Their plenary sessions only happen in Strasbourg.
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Sukberia wrote:
You're right, it's best to let them exist. Like we should have to Nazi Germany? Appeasement 2.0?


The war against Nazi Germany did end up saving Jewish and Slavic lives, yes, but I've yet to see evidence that bombing the Middle East will save LGBT lives. As an LGBT individual I'm all for a policy that will save LGBT lives, but Middle Eastern invasions have been tried before and, to put it mildly, the Middle East isn't some magic pro-gay friendly utopia today. If you can prove your plan will lead to that outcome, then great, I'm all for it. Until then, don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay.


First off: Hadn't we fought Germany, they would've slaughtered ALL the Jews. You're right we didn't do it on time. We shoudl've stopped them right when Hitler moved on the Rhineland.

Second of all: WE NEVER INVADED THE NATIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or Egypt.

Third of all: " don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay." I'm one of France's most pro-gay leftist, since most like Islam so much.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sukberia wrote:
We don't trhrow people off roofs here, nor we stone women and scientists. And we don't make worshipping pedophiles mandatory

Neither do Middle Eastern countries. In Saudi I'm pretty sure that'd get you killed.

You know we’re not allowed to talk about that anywhere on this forum.
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Postby Netherspace » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Olerand wrote:
Netherspace wrote:Jesus Christ, can you people not turn this into a political thing for once? Could you all just take a damn second to mourn the loss of life before making it into an ideological rant? People fucking died, and that is a terrible, terrible thing, no matter who did it. Is the most likely and popular theory that it was a radical Islamist? Yes. Could it have also been an alt-rightist, or just some randomly, non-politically-motivated nutjob? Yes! And that does not mean that all Muslims are evil ISIS terrorists, or that the mainstream media thinks they are. For the love of God, NSG, grow a fucking sense of compassion. This is why I stick to II and F7.

It really couldn't be alt-rightists, not at a Christmas market. Also, the alt-right is a pathetic disease that we thankfully do not suffer from. We have their much more credible, and more threatening predecessors, who actually have an ideology and less trolls, the identarian movement.

Well, a large portion of the alt-right is actually atheists. And honestly, I do believe that it was an Islamic terrorist, either that or just some random nutjob. I just didn’t want to say my opinion because then I would be drawn into this madness.

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Postby Aellex » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Olerand wrote:
Netherspace wrote:Jesus Christ, can you people not turn this into a political thing for once? Could you all just take a damn second to mourn the loss of life before making it into an ideological rant? People fucking died, and that is a terrible, terrible thing, no matter who did it. Is the most likely and popular theory that it was a radical Islamist? Yes. Could it have also been an alt-rightist, or just some randomly, non-politically-motivated nutjob? Yes! And that does not mean that all Muslims are evil ISIS terrorists, or that the mainstream media thinks they are. For the love of God, NSG, grow a fucking sense of compassion. This is why I stick to II and F7.

It really couldn't be alt-rightists, not at a Christmas market. Also, the alt-right is a pathetic disease that we thankfully do not suffer from. We have their much more credible, and more threatening predecessors, who actually have an ideology and less trolls, the identarian movement.

They're just as much of LARP-ers and as vilified as them, tho, and I doubt one could say they're much more organized.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Sukberia wrote:
You actually didn't. I stand corrected. Disregard all those of me saying that.

Heres a hint, when you go to call someone X, Y and Z, make sure they have actually supported X, Y and Z.

Or else your are talking out your fucking hole.


I had a teacher once who would've called that diarrhea of the mouth.
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

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Olerand wrote:What for? You'll get when the prosecutor of Paris, who is in charge of terrorism cases, releases his statement.


We have plenty of anarchists. Most aren't relevant enough to be fiché S.


Officially, yes. Logistically no.


Deport them where? If you're French, and only French, we're going to deport you to...


Right... Well changes are we didn't bomb this man, who was born in Strasbourg in 1989. So, these comments are a little irrelevant to this, and to France really.


I was responding to a poster advocating bombing the Middle East. I wasn't implying bombing the Middle East would have prevented this attack (although the person I was replying to was, I think)


No but it would prevent it from speading so much.

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Postby Snottistan » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Olerand wrote:
Netherspace wrote:Jesus Christ, can you people not turn this into a political thing for once? Could you all just take a damn second to mourn the loss of life before making it into an ideological rant? People fucking died, and that is a terrible, terrible thing, no matter who did it. Is the most likely and popular theory that it was a radical Islamist? Yes. Could it have also been an alt-rightist, or just some randomly, non-politically-motivated nutjob? Yes! And that does not mean that all Muslims are evil ISIS terrorists, or that the mainstream media thinks they are. For the love of God, NSG, grow a fucking sense of compassion. This is why I stick to II and F7.

It really couldn't be alt-rightists, not at a Christmas market. Also, the alt-right is a pathetic disease that we thankfully do not suffer from. We have their much more credible, and more threatening predecessors, who actually have an ideology and less trolls, the identarian movement.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Neither do Middle Eastern countries. In Saudi I'm pretty sure that'd get you killed.

You know we’re not allowed to talk about that anywhere on this forum.

I'm not.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Sukberia wrote:
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The war against Nazi Germany did end up saving Jewish and Slavic lives, yes, but I've yet to see evidence that bombing the Middle East will save LGBT lives. As an LGBT individual I'm all for a policy that will save LGBT lives, but Middle Eastern invasions have been tried before and, to put it mildly, the Middle East isn't some magic pro-gay friendly utopia today. If you can prove your plan will lead to that outcome, then great, I'm all for it. Until then, don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay.


First off: Hadn't we fought Germany, they would've slaughtered ALL the Jews. You're right we didn't do it on time. We shoudl've stopped them right when Hitler moved on the Rhineland.

Second of all: WE NEVER INVADED THE NATIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or Egypt.

Third of all: " don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay." I'm one of France's most pro-gay leftist, since most like Islam so much.


No, but the nations which did get invaded (Iraq, Afghanistan etc) were notoriously anti-LGBT as well. And like I said, I don't see any evidence the invasions have somehow turned these nations into pro-LGBT egalitarian utopias overnight.
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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
The war against Nazi Germany did end up saving Jewish and Slavic lives, yes, but I've yet to see evidence that bombing the Middle East will save LGBT lives. As an LGBT individual I'm all for a policy that will save LGBT lives, but Middle Eastern invasions have been tried before and, to put it mildly, the Middle East isn't some magic pro-gay friendly utopia today. If you can prove your plan will lead to that outcome, then great, I'm all for it. Until then, don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay.


First off: Hadn't we fought Germany, they would've slaughtered ALL the Jews. You're right we didn't do it on time. We shoudl've stopped them right when Hitler moved on the Rhineland.

Second of all: WE NEVER INVADED THE NATIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, or Egypt.

Third of all: " don't claim your plan is pro-women or pro-gay." I'm one of France's most pro-gay leftist, since most like Islam so much.

I'm pretty sure France was involved in Pakistan to assist the US.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:24 pm

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Olerand wrote:It really couldn't be alt-rightists, not at a Christmas market. Also, the alt-right is a pathetic disease that we thankfully do not suffer from. We have their much more credible, and more threatening predecessors, who actually have an ideology and less trolls, the identarian movement.

Where are you? Not suffering from the alt-right sounds like paradise.

In France. The identitaires are what the alt-right wish they could be. A coherent organization with a history of (toxic) thinkers and an organized ideology. Less trolling, but actually, more violence. Clashes between them and far-left groups happen every few years or so, lead to a death or two, and the dissolution and imprisonment of a organization and its members.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:25 pm

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Heres a hint, when you go to call someone X, Y and Z, make sure they have actually supported X, Y and Z.

Or else your are talking out your fucking hole.


I had a teacher once who would've called that diarrhea of the mouth.

Oh its far tooo prevalent on this forum. Probably needs shut down for a month so the health service can give it a once over.
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Postby Aellex » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:25 pm

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Olerand wrote:We have plenty of anarchists. Most aren't relevant enough to be fiché S.


And here I was thinking it was my time to shine ;~;

The lois scélérates took care of your friends back when Italy's main exportation was bomb throwers and they were still relevant. :p
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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:25 pm

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I was responding to a poster advocating bombing the Middle East. I wasn't implying bombing the Middle East would have prevented this attack (although the person I was replying to was, I think)


No but it would prevent it from speading so much.

So killing anyone who might bomb France is justified? Doing that would only make this event more common.
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