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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:58 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Olerand wrote:Oh? What a... convoluted way to come to that explanation. Care to elaborate?

He thought his only way to get his point across was to kill, but he could have simply talked or not done anything.

Still doesn’t mean he had to do it
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:58 pm

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This is my time to get serious with you. You don't care about anything I have to say and I see no reason to respect anything you have to say. You've managed to lead us into a dance that has siderailed this entire thread. Reread the OP and if you have anything on topic to say about what's happened in Strasbourg, feel free. Otherwise, I'll not respond to your posts entertaining any other topics in this thread any longer.


Then don't respond, i've given you more than enough time to try and make sense.

Know that i will still prevent homosexuals, like my sister, from being harmed by Islam. One submissive to that ideology doesn't change that.

Who said that Kannap was ever Islamic, or "submitted"?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:58 pm

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See, this is why I didn't want to debate with you. You resort to immature, ignorant, baiting responses instead of actual arguments. Instead asking genuine questions about stuff you clearly have zero understanding of, you'd prefer to stick your nose in the air and bellow factually incorrect, sarcastic drivel while pretending it's common sense.

This isn't High School, kid.

Sorry, Kannap, I got you mixed up with Trollzyn. My apologies.


I only mentioned Islam once, and never did I mention Allah.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Well, I see a bit of Olerand's point. The shooter's name is Chekatt Cherif, and he was/is on a jihadist watch list so, yeah, chances of him being an Islamic extremist are high. But I will still wait until something official, just to be fair.

I wouldn't take that as fact yet, though the French media doesn't traffic in bullshit as much as American media has shown it can in similar situations (our media actually faces repercussions); his identity has not been officially validated.

But yes, as we all (or all of us not in bad faith; or not giving a genuinely nice, but misguided, benefit of the doubt) suspected, he is an Islamist.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:59 pm

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Then don't respond, i've given you more than enough time to try and make sense.

Know that i will still prevent homosexuals, like my sister, from being harmed by Islam. One submissive to that ideology doesn't change that.

Who said that Kannap was ever Islamic, or "submitted"?


I believe he's referring to Kubumba.
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Olerand wrote:Oh? What a... convoluted way to come to that explanation. Care to elaborate?

He thought his only way to get his point across was to kill, but he could have simply talked or not done anything.

Or maybe he didn't.

What point was that? That his vile filth of ideology must reign supreme?

I know that you aren't trying to excuse him. I don't want you to think that i'm implying that.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Olerand wrote:Oh? What a... convoluted way to come to that explanation. Care to elaborate?

He thought his only way to get his point across was to kill, but he could have simply talked or not done anything.

Right. So he is a passive actor in this story?
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

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Toaslandia wrote:He thought his only way to get his point across was to kill, but he could have simply talked or not done anything.

Or maybe he didn't.

What point was that? That his vile filth of ideology must reign supreme?

I know that you aren't trying to excuse him. I don't want you to think that i'm implying that.

We don't call your militant atheism "vile filthy drivel" as you call our various faiths.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Olerand wrote:I know for a fact you're a fan of intentional "ignorance".

What are you talking about?

Right. Moving on.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Sorry, Kannap, I got you mixed up with Trollzyn. My apologies.


I only mentioned Islam once, and never did I mention Allah.

Yes you did. You, Toaslandia and Shukbrenia have been talking about what Allah SWT is/does for the past few pages. Also, I didn't say anything about y'all talking about Al-Islam.
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

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Sukberia wrote:
Then don't respond, i've given you more than enough time to try and make sense.

Know that i will still prevent homosexuals, like my sister, from being harmed by Islam. One submissive to that ideology doesn't change that.

Who said that Kannap was ever Islamic, or "submitted"?


Tolerance now.

Submission in 30 years.

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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

Olerand wrote:
Toaslandia wrote:He thought his only way to get his point across was to kill, but he could have simply talked or not done anything.

Right. So he is a passive actor in this story?

No. He didn't have to kill anyone or hurt anyone. That's all I'm trying to say.
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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I only mentioned Islam once, and never did I mention Allah.

Yes you did. You, Toaslandia and Shukbrenia have been talking about what Allah SWT is/does for the past few pages. Also, I didn't say anything about y'all talking about Al-Islam.

I haven't mentioned Allah more than once, I believe.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What are you talking about?

Right. Moving on.

No, I don't know what you mean by that 1st sentence. Where did younger the idea that I'm a fan of intentional ignorance?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I only mentioned Islam once, and never did I mention Allah.

Yes you did. You, Toaslandia and Shukbrenia have been talking about what Allah SWT is/does for the past few pages. Also, I didn't say anything about y'all talking about Al-Islam.


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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Kannap wrote:
This is my time to get serious with you. You don't care about anything I have to say and I see no reason to respect anything you have to say. You've managed to lead us into a dance that has siderailed this entire thread. Reread the OP and if you have anything on topic to say about what's happened in Strasbourg, feel free. Otherwise, I'll not respond to your posts entertaining any other topics in this thread any longer.


Then don't respond, i've given you more than enough time to try and make sense.

Know that i will still prevent homosexuals, like my sister, from being harmed by Islam. One submissive to that ideology doesn't change that.


I have nothing against myself not being harmed by Islam - or homophobic nations in general besides Islamic ones - that's why I have no plans on visiting Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.

No reason to generalize an entire religion and hate an entire group of people or call for their genocide. If we're going on "all X are the same," then Mike Pence represents everybody in Indiana and that state must be wiped off the map. That's how foolish you sound spewing your rhetoric.

As for your first sentence, all I'm saying on that topic any longer is this thread isn't for Christian discussion. Meet me in the Christian discussion thread if you want to insult me anymore.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes you did. You, Toaslandia and Shukbrenia have been talking about what Allah SWT is/does for the past few pages. Also, I didn't say anything about y'all talking about Al-Islam.

I haven't mentioned Allah more than once, I believe.

Y'all have been talking about what He is/does for the past few pages.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Olerand wrote:Right. So he is a passive actor in this story?

No. He didn't have to kill anyone or hurt anyone. That's all I'm trying to say.

I'm trying to understand why in your phrasing, he "had" to do this to "get his point across"? Why is he in the passive agent's seat in this story?

Why did he "have" to do this? What point? What should he have done?
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:01 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Or maybe he didn't.

What point was that? That his vile filth of ideology must reign supreme?

I know that you aren't trying to excuse him. I don't want you to think that i'm implying that.

We don't call your militant atheism "vile filthy drivel" as you call our various faiths.

My militant atheism doesn't call for your deaths.

Your faiths call for my death. Your vile filthy faiths.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes you did. You, Toaslandia and Shukbrenia have been talking about what Allah SWT is/does for the past few pages. Also, I didn't say anything about y'all talking about Al-Islam.


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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Olerand wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Well, I see a bit of Olerand's point. The shooter's name is Chekatt Cherif, and he was/is on a jihadist watch list so, yeah, chances of him being an Islamic extremist are high. But I will still wait until something official, just to be fair.

I wouldn't take that as fact yet, though the French media doesn't traffic in bullshit as much as American media has shown it can in similar situations (our media actually faces repercussions); his identity has not been officially validated.

But yes, as we all (or all of us not in bad faith; or not giving a genuinely nice, but misguided, benefit of the doubt) suspected, he is an Islamist.


I saw his security rating being S, which is the highest you guys have, IIRC.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:02 pm

Sukberia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Who said that Kannap was ever Islamic, or "submitted"?


Tolerance now.

Submission in 30 years.

Oh no, the boogeyman specter of Islam.

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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:02 pm

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Kannap wrote:
Stop doing that to me!

You are definitely being assaulted.


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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:02 pm

Olerand wrote:
Toaslandia wrote:No. He didn't have to kill anyone or hurt anyone. That's all I'm trying to say.

I'm trying to understand why in your phrasing, he "had" to do this to "get his point across"? Why is he in the passive agent's seat in this story?

Why did he "have" to do this? What point? What should he have done?

He was most likely acting on some ISIS guy's orders. His point was ISIS' agenda, and he shouldn't have listened to them.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:03 pm

Sukberia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:We don't call your militant atheism "vile filthy drivel" as you call our various faiths.

My militant atheism doesn't call for your deaths.

Your faiths call for my death. Your vile filthy faiths.

Are you worshipping Ba'ath or some weird shit?

Also, please, treat us with the respect we treat you.


We haven't insulted your faith.
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