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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:36 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
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Nah. It will be defeated. And advocates WILL hang. (Yes, here i am advocating for the death penalty for those who want shariah.)

"These people" are the people in countries like Pakistan, who believe killing homosexuals is right.

Even though their laws are wrong, they shouldn't die for it. =

No, but those who implemented them should.

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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:36 pm

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Just a reason to "call out" my sexuality as if anything I say is therefore invalidated.


The "You're LGBT so you aren't allowed to be pro-Muslim" shtick is back?


It never left, so I don't know what you're talking about.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:36 pm

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I still don't understand what that means.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:36 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:My mates? What are you talking about? And those aren't diversity barriers.


Right you wouldn’t have “your mate.” It’s an Australian thing. My bad.

Those are exactly diversity barriers.

I lived in Australia for a year, I know what you mean. I'm asking why your calling terrorists "my mates".
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:37 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Diversity barriers don't exist either. Srsly, this is cringy.

What happened to the actual word "embarrassing", or even "cringe-worthy"?

For the record, my being slightly desensitized to news of attacks like these and feeling like Europe in general, especially France in particular, is just headed for the toilet, partially due to aspects of their own generalized mindset, don't change the fact that this was a tragic incident. May the four people who died rest in peace.

... We're headed for the toilet... This from America...

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Not really. Just saying that these people kill homosexuals.

Who's "these people"?
Sukberia wrote:When Sharia law comes to Europe

Insha-Allah. Btw aspects of Shari'ah are already in Europe, AlHamdulillah.

Sharia law is incompatible with the ECHR, per the ECHR's rulings. That the British allow Sharia courts for familial matters is... well, to be expected from the British.

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Sukberia wrote:There you go. Atleast this guy is honest (if he's serious).

They don't integrate. And when you don't come here to integrate, then you're here for either tourism... or colonisation.


Dude, we here in the Philippines have a lot of foreign expatriates living in their own well-heeled enclaves, and of course some parts of Manila are enclaves of Chinese-Filipinos, to say nothing of Mindanao. Separation by itself is not a problem, and can even help mitigate tribal tensions.

No it isn't. Inter-ethnic and interreligious conflict isn't exactly our idea of the future.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:37 pm

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Do you have an example of a European country that is close to re-implementing sodomy laws because of Muslim immigration? Because as far as I know, no European country fits that description.

Not yet.

Then again, in 1936, Hitler wasn't ready for war. Not yet.


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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:37 pm

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Toaslandia wrote:Even though their laws are wrong, they shouldn't die for it. =

No, but those who implemented them should.

The death penalty is wrong. It kills innocents every day.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:37 pm

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Yeah they do, we even have them in Australia. Big old concrete blocks stopping your mates from driving cars through crowds.

My mates? What are you talking about? And those aren't diversity barriers.


It's probably time to acknowledge that even as you reject their violence, these perpetrators absolutely are Muslim. That will go a bit towards mollifying the audience you might want to impress.

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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:38 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Not really. Just saying that these people kill homosexuals. But that's ok, you can keep ignoring them. When Sharia law comes to Europe (assuming you live in Europe of course), you can come and say that i was right.


Dude, as an LGBT individual I can sympathise with a minority that is being targeted for living a life which the rest of society disapproves of, I'd argue it makes you more empathetic and less willing to buy arguments that Group X is a threat for behaving differently from others. That includes religious minorities.

LGBT people don't come with a book telling them to kill people. It's genetical, it's proven by science.

Muslims come with a book telling them to kill gays.

What's next? Jews defending Nazis? (Wow, i'm using nazis as an exemple alot.)

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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:38 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Sukberia wrote:No, but those who implemented them should.

The death penalty is wrong. It kills innocents every day.



(((Sharia law calls for the death penalty tho.)))

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:38 pm

Olerand wrote:Sharia law is incompatible with the ECHR, per the ECHR's rulings.

You say that like I'm supposed to care.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm

Kannap wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
The "You're LGBT so you aren't allowed to be pro-Muslim" shtick is back?


It never left, so I don't know what you're talking about.

What is pro-Muslim?

Purgatio wrote:
Sukberia wrote:
>implying that Molenbeek doesn't have an Islamist councillor.
>implying that Belgium didn't almost got its first Sharia-law advocate party legalised.


Do you have an example of a European country that is close to re-implementing sodomy laws because of Muslim immigration? Because as far as I know, no European country fits that description.

So, if polls show that by and large, Muslims in Europe reject European values post-sexual liberation. They have (yet) to effect the law, but a growing segment of society radically, and violently, rejects the LGBTs, let's say, just as a hypothesis.
Is that, fine? Acceptable?
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
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Right you wouldn’t have “your mate.” It’s an Australian thing. My bad.

Those are exactly diversity barriers.

I lived in Australia for a year, I know what you mean. I'm asking why your calling terrorists "my mates".


This is a bit far off topic, but “your mate” is a term we use to mean not my mate/but he’s just like you I reckon.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Do you have an example of a European country that is close to re-implementing sodomy laws because of Muslim immigration? Because as far as I know, no European country fits that description.

Not yet.

Then again, in 1936, Hitler wasn't ready for war. Not yet.


Ah yes, the typical "gay people should hate Muslims because Muslims will soon criminalise gay sex throughout Europe" line, this is refreshingly familiar scare propaganda.
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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Dude, as an LGBT individual I can sympathise with a minority that is being targeted for living a life which the rest of society disapproves of, I'd argue it makes you more empathetic and less willing to buy arguments that Group X is a threat for behaving differently from others. That includes religious minorities.

LGBT people don't come with a book telling them to kill people. It's genetical, it's proven by science.

Muslims come with a book telling them to kill gays.

What's next? Jews defending Nazis? (Wow, i'm using nazis as an exemple alot.)

Killing people is not genetical. It is a choice. As I have said before, I have a friend who's Muslim and he hasn't killed anyone.
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Not yet.

Then again, in 1936, Hitler wasn't ready for war. Not yet.


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Nice rebuttal. Muslims are growing at a faster rate than natives. It will happen if we don't act.

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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Toaslandia wrote:The death penalty is wrong. It kills innocents every day.



(((Sharia law calls for the death penalty tho.)))

I'm not defending them, but I'm saying we can't just kill people because they worship Islam.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm

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Sukberia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"This will totally happen any day now! Trust me!"


Nice rebuttal. Muslims are growing at a faster rate than natives. It will happen if we don't act.


Let's see the data that proves this.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"This will totally happen any day now! Trust me!"


Nice rebuttal. Muslims are growing at a faster rate than natives. It will happen if we don't act.

Muslims aren't natives if they live there?
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Olerand wrote:Sharia law is incompatible with the ECHR, per the ECHR's rulings.

You say that like I'm supposed to care.

Oh no, not at all. We've had this discussion, and I'm not the party who enjoys "forgetting" and rehashing the issue every once in a while. I'm simply stating that other than Britain, no, we don't have Sharia law, and it is against the ECHR.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Dude, as an LGBT individual I can sympathise with a minority that is being targeted for living a life which the rest of society disapproves of, I'd argue it makes you more empathetic and less willing to buy arguments that Group X is a threat for behaving differently from others. That includes religious minorities.

LGBT people don't come with a book telling them to kill people. It's genetical, it's proven by science.

Muslims come with a book telling them to kill gays.

What's next? Jews defending Nazis? (Wow, i'm using nazis as an exemple alot.)


I'm not defending homophobes who hate me, but pro-LGBT Muslims do exist (see the Al-Fatiha Foundation for example), there were no pro-Jewish Nazis. Of course I oppose homophobic Muslims just as I will condemn any homophobes of any faith, culture or background.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Sukberia wrote:

(((Sharia law calls for the death penalty tho.)))

I'm not defending them, but I'm saying we can't just kill people because they worship Islam.

He's unironically using the parentheses.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Olerand wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:What happened to the actual word "embarrassing", or even "cringe-worthy"?

For the record, my being slightly desensitized to news of attacks like these and feeling like Europe in general, especially France in particular, is just headed for the toilet, partially due to aspects of their own generalized mindset, don't change the fact that this was a tragic incident. May the four people who died rest in peace.

... We're headed for the toilet... This from America...

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Who's "these people"?

Insha-Allah. Btw aspects of Shari'ah are already in Europe, AlHamdulillah.

Sharia law is incompatible with the ECHR, per the ECHR's rulings. That the British allow Sharia courts for familial matters is... well, to be expected from the British.

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Dude, we here in the Philippines have a lot of foreign expatriates living in their own well-heeled enclaves, and of course some parts of Manila are enclaves of Chinese-Filipinos, to say nothing of Mindanao. Separation by itself is not a problem, and can even help mitigate tribal tensions.

No it isn't. Inter-ethnic and interreligious conflict isn't exactly our idea of the future.


Both the interethnic and interreligious conflicts in Mindanao are done for for the most part; Marawi was proof positive of that. What conflict remains is Duterte-sanctioned.

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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"This will totally happen any day now! Trust me!"


Nice rebuttal. Muslims are growing at a faster rate than natives. It will happen if we don't act.

I don't care if Islam spreads across the world.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Sukberia wrote:

(((Sharia law calls for the death penalty tho.)))

I'm not defending them, but I'm saying we can't just kill people because they worship Islam.


No but deporting and containing until they lose the Islam is still our best and most humane course.
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