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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Olerand wrote: :roll:


It's fine. But I had flashbacks to the thread about this, where I and some other poster(s) had to play wack-a-mole with posters who read an incredibly biased title and OP that claimed that the ECHR had made a Europe-wide blasphemy law applicable only to Islam; and I was not gonna have that issue pop up again.


I don't know who this "we" is.


"We" as in the French people. We shoudl've taken Piedmont from Italy too!

Then do it. You can practice surrendering again!
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Kannap wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Why don't they flee to neiboughooding (sorry for misspel) countries? You know... with similar laws and cultures? Oh right, because people there don't throw you stuff for free and they kill you if you rape someone. Unlike Europe.


I mean, if the entire United States were a warzone, I wouldn't settle for fleeing from North Carolina to Pennsylvania, one warzone to another, I'd want to flee to England or France or somewhere far from it all.


Yes, you might want that. But your country going to the dogs shouldn't give you the automatic right to go anywhere you want with no obligation to integrate. From a neighbouring safe country you should apply using the normal immigration process and then if accepted you should have several years of compulsory social integration programs on arrival.

Other countries aren't charities and it's right that they'd get to choose whether you're right for them.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Olerand wrote:It still does. I was on a research mission there this summer, they live in utter squalor.

Lebanon, the nation where sharia only applies to Muslims. Because otherwise it would be in a civil war. Again. You left out Jordan, suprisingly.

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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Duhon
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Postby Duhon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote: :roll:

The Imperial Territory of Alsace-Lorraine will be reborn, my French friend.


:roll:

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Postby Netherspace » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Obri Central Republic wrote:
Loben wrote:Yes because a Christian would attack a market in connection in what is probably the holiest days in thr calender.

There was that one time where Jesus whipped people in a market


You mean the temple that they were using to trade goods, going directly against God’s law? Totally the same thing.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote:Yes, there are; yes, it did.


I mean, it was barely beneficial to us. Could have gotten a much better deal, but we were rushed. The Russians lost out on Alaska too. America's been lucky. Divine providence or whatever I guess.

Manifest Destiny, bud.

Is why America got a series of purchases far below actual costs? Uhm... I don't think so. That's luck. Or divine providence or whatever I guess.

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Olerand wrote:Between the whatabouttery, the pogrom fetishism and the puerile right-wing clownerie, no, we can't.


I don't get it.

Just so we're clear, I'm absolutely against using all Muslims as scapegoats.

What part?

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Olerand wrote:The poster who consistently comes on to posts about terrorism in Europe, most often France as it so happens, and when the bodies are not yet cold, starts to rant and rave about the impending pogroms and slaughters Muslims in France and Europe are about to experience, and which they never do.

Which is frankly to our credit, the modern Muslim world has done far more to minorities for far less.


Ohhh I see, you meant fetishism in the political sense. Okay, I got seriously confused (cos I thought you meant the other type of fetish).

Could be, I don't know why he keeps doing this. I am not privy to people's private lives, nor do I want to be.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Manifest Destiny, bud.

Is why America got a series of purchases far below actual costs? Uhm... I don't think so. That's luck. Or divine providence or whatever I guess.

Duhon wrote:
I don't get it.

Just so we're clear, I'm absolutely against using all Muslims as scapegoats.

What part?

Purgatio wrote:
Ohhh I see, you meant fetishism in the political sense. Okay, I got seriously confused (cos I thought you meant the other type of fetish).

Could be, I don't know why he keeps doing this. I am not privy to people's private lives, nor do I want to be.


God...one shudders to think...I know we're not supposed to kink-shame but we all have limits...
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Postby Kaggeceria » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Manifest Destiny, bud.

Is why America got a series of purchases far below actual costs? Uhm... I don't think so. That's luck. Or divine providence or whatever I guess.

Duhon wrote:
I don't get it.

Just so we're clear, I'm absolutely against using all Muslims as scapegoats.

What part?

Purgatio wrote:
Ohhh I see, you meant fetishism in the political sense. Okay, I got seriously confused (cos I thought you meant the other type of fetish).

Could be, I don't know why he keeps doing this. I am not privy to people's private lives, nor do I want to be.

The divine providence which you refer to is Manifest Destiny.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Netherspace wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Are you daring to insinuate that Napoleon made a mutually-beneficial deal with the United States instead of pimping Louisiana out as nothing more than a flat-grounded slut for America as I've so sarcastically suggested? The nerve of some people!


Um, yeah. If you don’t show any indication that you were being sarcastic, I have no reason to think you were.
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Tsk tsk, talk like this is why the British won.


Oh, but you know, they didn’t. Unless you’re using that completely imperceptible sarcasm again.


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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I mean, if the entire United States were a warzone, I wouldn't settle for fleeing from North Carolina to Pennsylvania, one warzone to another, I'd want to flee to England or France or somewhere far from it all.


Yes, you might want that. But your country going to the dogs shouldn't give you the automatic right to go anywhere you want with no obligation to integrate. From a neighbouring safe country you should apply using the normal immigration process and then if accepted you should have several years of compulsory social integration programs on arrival.

If I move to, say, France. I would like to still have American culture. I wouldn't mind e-learning the language, but I wouldn't be alright with a "you must be 100%" French order.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm

Thought you misunderstood me, but it seems I was wrong, Olerand. Carry on.

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Sukberia
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm

OOF! That took time.

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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:09 pm

Sukberia wrote:OOF! That took time.

What did?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:09 pm

Sukberia wrote:OOF! That took time.

What took time?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Duhon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:10 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Kannap wrote:
I mean, if the entire United States were a warzone, I wouldn't settle for fleeing from North Carolina to Pennsylvania, one warzone to another, I'd want to flee to England or France or somewhere far from it all.


Yes, you might want that. But your country going to the dogs shouldn't give you the automatic right to go anywhere you want with no obligation to integrate. From a neighbouring safe country you should apply using the normal immigration process and then if accepted you should have several years of compulsory social integration programs on arrival.


So keeping the peace and not being a dick to your hosts is too little effort?

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:10 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Olerand wrote:It still does. I was on a research mission there this summer, they live in utter squalor.

Lebanon, the nation where sharia only applies to Muslims. Because otherwise it would be in a civil war. Again. You left out Jordan, suprisingly.

I left out Jordan? I didn't say anything about anyone. I only addressed Lebanon because someone else explicitly talked about them. Sharia law applies in familial court. Not in criminal court, even for Muslims.

Sukberia wrote:
Olerand wrote: :roll:


It's fine. But I had flashbacks to the thread about this, where I and some other poster(s) had to play wack-a-mole with posters who read an incredibly biased title and OP that claimed that the ECHR had made a Europe-wide blasphemy law applicable only to Islam; and I was not gonna have that issue pop up again.


I don't know who this "we" is.


"We" as in the French people. We shoudl've taken Piedmont from Italy too!

Leave "us" out of it.

Purgatio wrote:
Olerand wrote: :roll:


It's fine. But I had flashbacks to the thread about this, where I and some other poster(s) had to play wack-a-mole with posters who read an incredibly biased title and OP that claimed that the ECHR had made a Europe-wide blasphemy law applicable only to Islam; and I was not gonna have that issue pop up again.


I don't know who this "we" is.


Haha don't worry, I'm actually a law student and that case was on my law reading list, and if I wrote in the exam that ES held that 'it is now illegal to say the Prophet Muhammad is a pedophile' I suspect it'd be an automatic fail lol

I wasn't so much worried about you as I was in general. What nationality are you, if I may ask? The explanation was especially difficult to those from common law jurisdictions, who could not wrap their minds around the lack of case law and precedent as understood in their countries.
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Postby Netherspace » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Netherspace wrote:
Um, yeah. If you don’t show any indication that you were being sarcastic, I have no reason to think you were.

Oh, but you know, they didn’t. Unless you’re using that completely imperceptible sarcasm again.


The /s tag is for cowards. Fortune favors the bold!


Yes, because everyone can understand you. Also, you totally have to use /s, and can’t just make it clear by writing it like this. This is definitely not an example of what I mean.

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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:10 pm

Toaslandia wrote:
Sukberia wrote:
"We" as in the French people. We shoudl've taken Piedmont from Italy too!

Then do it. You can practice surrendering again!

We could practise winning, since we did won 2 World Wars. Unlike, good old Germany, who only won 1 war while she was whole. :p

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Postby Right wing humour squad » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:10 pm

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Right wing humour squad wrote:
Dude don’t kinkshame jesus and his happy merchant friends.

BDSM, but it's just the SM.


All I’m taking from this now is that Jews are in your own home do it your way sex positives, christians are in public fetish freaks and Muslims are pedosexual advocates.


And they say gay rights had no slippery slope.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:11 pm

Is this even news at this point? I am so desensitized to this kind of crap.
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Postby The South Falls » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:11 pm

Right wing humour squad wrote:
The South Falls wrote:BDSM, but it's just the SM.


All I’m taking from this now is that Jews are in your own home do it your way sex positives, christians are in public fetish freaks and Muslims are pedosexual advocates.


And they say gay rights had no slippery slope.

Nah, just rights.
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Postby Sukberia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:12 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Lebanon, the nation where sharia only applies to Muslims. Because otherwise it would be in a civil war. Again. You left out Jordan, suprisingly.

I left out Jordan? I didn't say anything about anyone. I only addressed Lebanon because someone else explicitly talked about them. Sharia law applies in familial court. Not in criminal court, even for Muslims.

Sukberia wrote:
"We" as in the French people. We shoudl've taken Piedmont from Italy too!

Leave "us" out of it.

Purgatio wrote:
Haha don't worry, I'm actually a law student and that case was on my law reading list, and if I wrote in the exam that ES held that 'it is now illegal to say the Prophet Muhammad is a pedophile' I suspect it'd be an automatic fail lol

I wasn't so much worried about you as I was in general. What nationality are you, if I may ask? The explanation was especially difficult to those from common law jurisdictions, who could not wrap their minds around the lack of case law and precedent as understood in their countries.


Yeesh mate. Don't worry, even tho we honor the same flag (or at least i do), i never said we were the same, a collective. It's not like France needs more pro Islam leftists.

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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:12 pm

Sukberia wrote:
Toaslandia wrote:Then do it. You can practice surrendering again!

We could practise winning, since we did won 2 World Wars. Unlike, good old Germany, who only won 1 war while she was whole. :p

You were on the winning side, but you were the first to fall. And it was because your generals were incompetent and the Allies needed to come save you, and when they did, you attacked them.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:12 pm

Olerand wrote:
Sukberia wrote:Lebanon, the nation where sharia only applies to Muslims. Because otherwise it would be in a civil war. Again. You left out Jordan, suprisingly.

I left out Jordan? I didn't say anything about anyone. I only addressed Lebanon because someone else explicitly talked about them. Sharia law applies in familial court. Not in criminal court, even for Muslims.

Sukberia wrote:
"We" as in the French people. We shoudl've taken Piedmont from Italy too!

Leave "us" out of it.

Purgatio wrote:
Haha don't worry, I'm actually a law student and that case was on my law reading list, and if I wrote in the exam that ES held that 'it is now illegal to say the Prophet Muhammad is a pedophile' I suspect it'd be an automatic fail lol

I wasn't so much worried about you as I was in general. What nationality are you, if I may ask? The explanation was especially difficult to those from common law jurisdictions, who could not wrap their minds around the lack of case law and precedent as understood in their countries.


Singapore, but I study in Oxford, so both common law. I didn't find the case that difficult to grasp though (and neither did my tutorial mates so), idk might have just been the guys you were debating with.
Purgatio is an absolutist hereditary monarchy run as a one-party fascist dictatorship, which seized power in a sudden and abrupt coup d'état of 1987-1988, on an authoritarian eugenic and socially Darwinistic political philosophy and ideology, now ruled and dominated with a brutal iron fist under the watchful reign of Le Grand Roi Chalon-Arlay de la Fayette and La Grande Reine Geneviève de la Fayette (née Aumont) (i.e., the 'Founding Couple' or Le Couple Fondateur).

For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:12 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Olerand wrote:Is why America got a series of purchases far below actual costs? Uhm... I don't think so. That's luck. Or divine providence or whatever I guess.


What part?


Could be, I don't know why he keeps doing this. I am not privy to people's private lives, nor do I want to be.

The divine providence which you refer to is Manifest Destiny.

But that's... Not an act by God. It's a God-given gift, but not an action by God, no?

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Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Yes, you might want that. But your country going to the dogs shouldn't give you the automatic right to go anywhere you want with no obligation to integrate. From a neighbouring safe country you should apply using the normal immigration process and then if accepted you should have several years of compulsory social integration programs on arrival.

If I move to, say, France. I would like to still have American culture. I wouldn't mind e-learning the language, but I wouldn't be alright with a "you must be 100%" French order.

We're going to have problems. We very much like you to adopt our culture. We even make you sign a contract. We'll refuse you citizenship if you won't interact with the opposite sex, for example.
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