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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:53 pm

We find ourselves about a week away from December 17th, a day we designate as the International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers. For reasons I'm sure you can deduce, this is a subject I care about deeply. While I engage in the strictly legal and relatively safe world of American pornography, many of my sisters and brothers on the streets suffer from being in an incredibly unsafe career. Some studies even suggest it is the deadliest profession in the world.
Here to provide a full, scholarly look at the issue is a Review on the National Library of Medicine; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3987574/
This was published in 2014 so I will not be surprised if the numbers are a bit off
I will also admit that the article is, as one could expect from a scholarly article, rather fact heavy, so for a lighter read;
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/katherine-koster/16-facts-about-sexual-ass_b_8711720.html
What it comes down to is that prostitutes the world over are threatened constantly, and frankly, nothing seems to help. With the deep stigma many places have against the profession, including cases of rape and sexual assault being treated as less significant in many cases, and even assault by police, it seems like a terrifying world to be a sex worker.
So what do we do about this? We clearly need to handle the situation, but there seems to be no real movement to do so. After reading through the statistics and living through personal experience, I have to argue that the best solution is two fold. The first is to decriminalize and encourage sex workers to operate in safe environments with other workers. The second requires a larger effort to remove the stigma of working in this field. So long as we are seen as lesser for our choices, we will be treated more poorly. I sadly don't have a grand idea to move about social reform however.
What do you think NSG? What should be done about this violence?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:05 pm

Y'know, you'd think that being the world's oldest profession would eventually cause people to be perfectly fine with it after a goddamn while, but nope.

José Gaspar Rodríguez de Francia was bloody right.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:09 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Y'know, you'd think that being the world's oldest profession would eventually cause people to be perfectly fine with it after a goddamn while, but nope.

José Gaspar Rodríguez de Francia was bloody right.

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Postby Bombadil » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:13 pm

Why do you assume American pornography is safe?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Y'know, you'd think that being the world's oldest profession would eventually cause people to be perfectly fine with it after a goddamn while, but nope.

José Gaspar Rodríguez de Francia was bloody right.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar


The man caught his daughter prostituting herself outside his palace.

His reaction? Declaring prostitution to be an honourable profession.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:14 pm

Bombadil wrote:Why do you assume American pornography is safe?

Note I said safer.
And I didn't assume.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:15 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I'm afraid I'm not familiar


The man caught his daughter prostituting herself outside his palace.

His reaction? Declaring prostitution to be an honourable profession.

That's a good man right there
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Postby NERVUN » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:30 pm

I wonder if, and when, we get sex bots if that would help or hurt?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:38 pm

NERVUN wrote:I wonder if, and when, we get sex bots if that would help or hurt?

Hard to say. Ready access to pornography is correlated with lower sexual violence overall, but I would hesitate to guess how sexbots would affect it.

If sexbots are actually good at it, and reasonably priced, the immediate effect will be economic in nature - bots will displace the prostitutes and put them out of work.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:43 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Y'know, you'd think that being the world's oldest profession would eventually cause people to be perfectly fine with it after a goddamn while, but nope.

José Gaspar Rodríguez de Francia was bloody right.

Blame religion
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:51 pm

Porn or adult services attract the unsavory elements of society. So you can't expect only well behaved people to come, you won't know if they're no good until after they cross one or more lines of conduct. If someone is abusive, a brothel, website, whatever, can simply ban or blacklist them.

Spiritually, it displeases God in that it is considered either fornication or adultery. You can't just pretend that something immoral is moral. People will do as they want if its within their conscience, but this isn't without consequence.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:56 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The man caught his daughter prostituting herself outside his palace.

His reaction? Declaring prostitution to be an honourable profession.

That's a good man right there

I mean, he was also a dictator...
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:59 pm

New haven america wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That's a good man right there

I mean, he was also a dictator...

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:01 pm

New haven america wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That's a good man right there

I mean, he was also a dictator...

Who surprisingly left the nation richer than when he took over
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:03 pm

Saiwania wrote:Porn or adult services attract the unsavory elements of society. So you can't expect only well behaved people to come, you won't know if they're no good until after they cross one or more lines of conduct. If someone is abusive, a brothel, website, whatever, can simply ban or blacklist them.

Spiritually, it displeases God in that it is considered either fornication or adultery. You can't just pretend that something immoral is moral. People will do as they want if its within their conscience, but this isn't without consequence.

Are unsavory people attracted to using sex workers because they are sex workers or because unsavory people are more likely to partake in something seen as illegal and taboo?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New haven america wrote:I mean, he was also a dictator...

Who surprisingly left the nation richer than when he took over

Of course he did
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Postby New haven america » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:06 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Saiwania wrote:Porn or adult services attract the unsavory elements of society. So you can't expect only well behaved people to come, you won't know if they're no good until after they cross one or more lines of conduct. If someone is abusive, a brothel, website, whatever, can simply ban or blacklist them.

Spiritually, it displeases God in that it is considered either fornication or adultery. You can't just pretend that something immoral is moral. People will do as they want if its within their conscience, but this isn't without consequence.

Are unsavory people attracted to using sex workers because they are sex workers or because unsavory people are more likely to partake in something seen as illegal and taboo?

It's almost as if making one of humanity's most basic instincts/behaviors (Love, sex, reproduction, etc...) a taboo was a bad idea or something.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:08 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Are unsavory people attracted to using sex workers because they are sex workers or because unsavory people are more likely to partake in something seen as illegal and taboo?


The latter. People in general want to sin for one or more nights because the temptation is there or they think it'll be fun and desirable. I'm sure tons of otherwise normal people go, but some certain percentage that slip in will be the riff raff.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:10 pm

George Soros needs to hurry up and use his liberal puppets to legalise sex work.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Are unsavory people attracted to using sex workers because they are sex workers or because unsavory people are more likely to partake in something seen as illegal and taboo?

It's almost as if making one of humanity's most basic instincts/behaviors (Love, sex, reproduction, etc...) was a bad idea or something.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:14 pm

Ifreann wrote:George Soros needs to hurry up and use his liberal puppets to legalise sex work.

Now now, we mustn't rush the man, he has an entire world to run and transform into a liberal paradise.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:17 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Are unsavory people attracted to using sex workers because they are sex workers or because unsavory people are more likely to partake in something seen as illegal and taboo?


The latter. People in general want to sin for one or more nights because the temptation is there or they think it'll be fun and desirable. I'm sure tons of otherwise normal people go, but some certain percentage that slip in will be the riff raff.

So would it not be better to make it safe, legal, and normal to visit a prostitute and let people with personal moral objections leave it at that?
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:21 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So would it not be better to make it safe, legal, and normal to visit a prostitute and let people with personal moral objections leave it at that?


I'd consent to this, but there will still be some downsides. I'm inclined to believe that its not possible to ensure the entire sex industry isn't without crime or corruption in a secular sense. This industry has inherent risks and is shady to some extent.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ifreann wrote:George Soros needs to hurry up and use his liberal puppets to legalise sex work.

Now now, we mustn't rush the man, he has an entire world to run and transform into a liberal paradise.

I still haven’t gotten my shillbucks yet. God his HR department sucks
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:23 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So would it not be better to make it safe, legal, and normal to visit a prostitute and let people with personal moral objections leave it at that?


I'd consent to this, but there will still be some downsides. I'm inclined to believe that its not possible to ensure the entire sex industry isn't without crime or corruption in a secular sense. This industry has inherent risks and is shady to some extent.

Yes we would need to work very hard on cracking down on sex trafficking, with possible ways to ensure the worker is consenting at all times.
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