Dutch church holds 24/7 services to help refugees

[Caracasus]

Hah. That's pretty neat actually.

[Thermodolia]

To be fair, they think they are being smart by doing so, but the state will just laugh, snap their fingers, repeal or suspend the involved law, and storm the church.

It really ain't as clever as they think.

Police storming into a church and hauling away swaths of migrant families, in front of the whole public - to make matters even worse, is probably the absolute last thing any government would want to happen.

Unless they want to be like the Soviets

[Imperial Esplanade]

Police storming into a church and hauling away swaths of migrant families, in front of the whole public - to make matters even worse, is probably the absolute last thing any government would want to happen.

Unless they want to be like the Soviets

Probably not what the Dutch would want to be compared to.

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I deeply admire their resistance, and their commitment to actual Christian principles. I care nothing about the legality of their actions. Some of the most widely respected people in history were criminals. The abolitionists, the suffragettes, Mandela, Gandhi, MLK, all criminals. When injustice is law, resistance is duty.

[Baltenstein]

An incel would want to burn Esmerelda as a whore for not having already had sex with him.

Which is precisely what Frollo's motivations were. His character motivations are the most bland and predictable ever. "Pretty woman won't have sex with me....must burn pretty woman" summarises Frollo's entire charatcer arc.

Religious paranoia, sexual lust and real-life genocidal racism were actually pretty heavy stuff for a Nineties Disney villain. Back then, most cartoon bad guys just wanted to steal the Scepter of Eternity to subjugate the Land of Rainbows or something like that.

[The Blaatschapen]

Seriously? Dude if the Netherlands breaks down into Rwanda-style genocide a technical on-paper law that protects the inviolability of churches will do jack-shit against SS or Interahamwe-like goons trying to purge an entire ethnic or tribal group.

Dude, if you weren't received into the world by Christian parents subsisting in a profoundly Christian milieu (and as you said you're Singaporean scratch that) you will not understand the vestiges of Christian veneration in a majority-nominally-Christian country with no formal separation of church and state.

Though I'll probably need Blaat around to tell me I'm talking shit and no we Hollandrians aren't like that ahhhhh, in all the languages he knows --

I am mostly going to yell at you that there are no Hollandrians.

There are Hollanders, which are people from the region of Holland*. And there Dutch people, which are people from the Netherlands.

*Some might argue that since Poles are from Poland, that Holes are from Holland.

[The Blaatschapen]

Unless they want to be like the Soviets

Probably not what the Dutch would want to be compared to.

Two Christian parties in the coalition that form the government. Not a snowball's chance in hell that the police is storming into a church right now.

Interestingly enough, the government is also capable(legally, by virtue of the minister having discretionary power) of solving the situation

[Hurdergaryp]

And that’s how you cause this law to be overturned.

I see how you are warming up to the many advantages of the Soviet socio-political system.

[Novus Wrepland]

Telling how it’s a Protestant church.

[Pope Joan]

Mat you be saturated with murderous Somalis, and South Sudanese, and Tuaregs

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Last I checked Armenia was not an unstable, violent, or despotic country roving with riots, looters, terrorists, an invading army, or corrupt government death squads. This would make their asylum claim bogus, as they should have no reason to be fear of their very lives.

I'm sorry, but as a Christian I can't support this because it's just people trying to manipulate a method of protecting people from danger in order to acquire a better life. That is what immigration is for. I'm sorry, but this church should be ashamed of itself. If they really wanted to help the family, they should help them try to legally immigrate instead of abusing asylum laws.

[The Blaatschapen]

Mat you be saturated with murderous Somalis, and South Sudanese, and Tuaregs

Those are Muslims, unlike these Armenian Christians.

Time for a Dutch mosque to do a similar action and see what people think then.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Which is precisely what Frollo's motivations were. His character motivations are the most bland and predictable ever. "Pretty woman won't have sex with me....must burn pretty woman" summarises Frollo's entire charatcer arc.

Religious paranoia, sexual lust and real-life genocidal racism were actually pretty heavy stuff for a Nineties Disney villain. Back then, most cartoon bad guys just wanted to steal the Scepter of Eternity to subjugate the Land of Rainbows or something like that.

Beauty and the Beast? Pocahontas? Mulan? Tarzan?

[Thermodolia]

Mat you be saturated with murderous Somalis, and South Sudanese, and Tuaregs

Those are Muslims, unlike these Armenian Christians.

Time for a Dutch mosque to do a similar action and see what people think then.

If I had to take I guess it would probably start along the lines of “burn them all”

[Kubumba Tribe]

Mat you be saturated with murderous Somalis, and South Sudanese, and Tuaregs

What does this even mean? This is some serious stereotyping here.

[Hurdergaryp]

Mat you be saturated with murderous Somalis, and South Sudanese, and Tuaregs

What does this even mean? This is some serious stereotyping here.

She probably means it, too.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What does this even mean? This is some serious stereotyping here.

She probably means it, too.

She?

Dang, Why do I think everybody up here is a dude?

[Pasong Tirad]

Dutch church go on Chapo

[Hakons]

I support this, as Christians should be supportive of refugees. Something similar to that has happened here in the United States. Some undocumented immigrants have taken residence into Church buildings. There's no law that prevents ICE from arresting them there, but simply the optics of storming a Church and dragging people away prevents them from doing so.

[Purgatio]

Aid and abet law-breaking behaviour? What happened to Romans 13:1 (let everyone be subject to the governing authorities) and Matthew 22:21 (render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's)?

Helping criminals circumvent or break the law is thoroughly un-Christian, this church should be ashamed of itself.

It's like the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37. These people need help and the church is giving it to them.

The Good Samaritan wasn't breaking the law or helping a law-breaker, he was just patching a guy's wounds (a guy who got injured by people who were breaking the law). It in no way undermines the verses I cited in my post showing God's overture to the Church to obey the law in all its doings and submit to governing authorities.

[Hakons]

It's like the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37. These people need help and the church is giving it to them.

The Good Samaritan wasn't breaking the law or helping a law-breaker, he was just patching a guy's wounds (a guy who got injured by people who were breaking the law). It in no way undermines the verses I cited in my post showing God's overture to the Church to obey the law in all its doings and submit to governing authorities.

Christians obey the laws of the just authorities, but not when they violate our faith. The earliest Christians exemplified this. They obeyed Roman law up until they were told to deny their faith and be legally required to burn sacrafices to pagan gods. Many refused, and some were martyred because of it. We obey the law, but not when it is contrary to the higher law given by God.

[Purgatio]

The Good Samaritan wasn't breaking the law or helping a law-breaker, he was just patching a guy's wounds (a guy who got injured by people who were breaking the law). It in no way undermines the verses I cited in my post showing God's overture to the Church to obey the law in all its doings and submit to governing authorities.

Christians obey the laws of the just authorities, but not when they violate our faith. The earliest Christians exemplified this. They obeyed Roman law up until they were told to deny their faith and be legally required to burn sacrafices to pagan gods. Many refused, and some were martyred because of it. We obey the law, but not when it is contrary to the higher law given by God.

Why is deporting this family for illegal entering the Netherlands without a legally-valid asylum claim contrary to divine 'higher law'?

[Geneviev]

It's like the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37. These people need help and the church is giving it to them.

The Good Samaritan wasn't breaking the law or helping a law-breaker, he was just patching a guy's wounds (a guy who got injured by people who were breaking the law). It in no way undermines the verses I cited in my post showing God's overture to the Church to obey the law in all its doings and submit to governing authorities.

He was helping someone who needed it even though it would make him seem wrong. That's what this church is doing too. God would consider it more important that his church loves their neighbors than anything else people think is important. Christians don't follow unjust laws.

[Thermodolia]

She probably means it, too.

She?

Dang, Why do I think everybody up here is a dude?

Your not the only one

[Purgatio]

The Good Samaritan wasn't breaking the law or helping a law-breaker, he was just patching a guy's wounds (a guy who got injured by people who were breaking the law). It in no way undermines the verses I cited in my post showing God's overture to the Church to obey the law in all its doings and submit to governing authorities.

He was helping someone who needed it even though it would make him seem wrong. That's what this church is doing too. God would consider it more important that his church loves their neighbors than anything else people think is important. Christians don't follow unjust laws.

I don't see how deporting someone without a valid asylum-claim or other legal right to remain in a country is an 'unjust law' which Christians are religiously-obligated to violate.