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Do you order the attack or concede?

Yes (I WILL BE THE WINNER! I'm not responsible for her decision to stand on the edge... I'm betting that they won't die. If they die, I can get over it... either that or I am 100 percent fine with their near certain death)
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No (I'll lose 2/3 of my money, I WILL NOT KILL!)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:47 am

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...

This is a good point

Although many French people don't have very good English. Originally I was considering whether or not to write her entire dialogue with a French accent:

Leblanc: "If you t'all your wee-ZUD to attack, you Win. Ow-ay-VAIRE, ze an-PACK of ze force of ze attACK and ze des-t-rrr-uuu-c-see-on of ze temPOH will cause me to f-AH-le from Zis pla-FORM. Iz up to you... I Ahve come too far to back down now. EiZer I wack away ze shum-pione, or I walk away Dad. Zats ow much I am dee-taire-MEEned to win. You can win, but you have to Gill or ain-ju-rrrr-e me. Ah-rrr-e you wiLINH to do what it t-AH-ke to win?"

(caps for pronunciation emphasis, grammar errors/ommissions intended)

*blank stare for a few seconds*
"Yeah, I have nooooo idea what you just said, so I'm just gonna go ahead and tell my wizard to attack..."


I mean, I think reading it is trickier than when you hear it.

Basically apply the following rules:

1. All "H" sounds are silenced ("However" because "Ow-eh-vai-rrr-e")
2. For some words If there's a word with 2+ syllables, try emphasising the final sound ("Bullet" is a flat pronunciation, but it becomes "bu-LAIT-e")
3. Whenever possible, use the French "rrr" sound where you roll your tongue, replace every English r with the French "rrr" ("River" becomes "Rrr-ee-vaire")
4. "Th" becomes "S" or "Z" depending on which sounds more natural to the French speaker ("Think" = Sink and "The" becomes "Ze")
5. "Ent" endings become "AH-NT" ("For a moment" becomes "For a mo-M-AH-NT")

6. In casual, instead of the North American "like... like... like..." instead say "err...err...err..."

Also, try to say sentences like you literally don't give a damn about anything. Basically try to act super super chill and relaxed. Even if you're pissed off or agitated, its not just about the French accent you have to convey the emotions but with a x3 more "relaxed" verbal feel to it than in English if that makes sense

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Oh...

...

but wait... how would I know that? Are they in plain sight?

They're ambulances, they're generally not hard to spot. Plus there's paramedics around, and they're usually not hard to spot either. And it's pretty common to see doctors come onto the field during most sports.


I have only watched sports and concerts from television

I was forbidden to go to concerts and sports events live (I can now but its not a habit I have); it was supposed to be filled with danger and drugs or something

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:06 am

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Ifreann wrote:They're ambulances, they're generally not hard to spot. Plus there's paramedics around, and they're usually not hard to spot either. And it's pretty common to see doctors come onto the field during most sports.


I have only watched sports and concerts from television

I was forbidden to go to concerts and sports events live (I can now but its not a habit I have); it was supposed to be filled with danger and drugs or something

You don't have to always go to Tim McGraw concerts.
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Postby Kannap » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:10 am

There is not an option for me in the poll since the first option claims I'm betting they won't die. Nah son, I know they're gonna die, that stupid fool shouldn't have gone and decided to be an idiot.
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Postby Kavagrad » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:20 am

Assuming that the loss of 2/3 of my money leaves me unable to provide for my family, then I'd do it. If they weren't able to take my own desperation into account when making that decision, that's very much their fault. Keeping my family alive is more important than the life of this person I don't know. If they did take it into account, then they committed suicide, plain and simple.

However, if we assume that I could continue to provide for my family with a loss of 2/3 of my wealth, then it's not worth having the blood on my hands.

That drastic a decision wouldn't be made on the potential gains of doing it, but rather the damage caused by the potential loss of not doing it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:36 pm

Kavagrad wrote:Assuming that the loss of 2/3 of my money leaves me unable to provide for my family, then I'd do it. If they weren't able to take my own desperation into account when making that decision, that's very much their fault. Keeping my family alive is more important than the life of this person I don't know. If they did take it into account, then they committed suicide, plain and simple.

However, if we assume that I could continue to provide for my family with a loss of 2/3 of my wealth, then it's not worth having the blood on my hands.

That drastic a decision wouldn't be made on the potential gains of doing it, but rather the damage caused by the potential loss of not doing it.


Hmmm...

Well I guess that depends on your real life finances and earning capability?

Maybe you could but it will definitely get a lot tighter?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:37 pm

Kannap wrote:There is not an option for me in the poll since the first option claims I'm betting they won't die. Nah son, I know they're gonna die, that stupid fool shouldn't have gone and decided to be an idiot.


A good point

Let me broaden the Yes category

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:19 pm

The South Falls wrote:Blast her off the tower. No need for her to take my money. Plus, I could use the money to bribe the UN to outlaw these tournaments.


But technically it ain’t your money yet :)

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:36 pm

I feel like you wrote this already not too long ago.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:37 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:I feel like you wrote this already not too long ago.


What do you mean by this?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:30 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:I feel like you wrote this already not too long ago.


What do you mean by this?


My mistake, this just sounded similar to one of your previous hypotheticals.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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What do you mean by this?


My mistake, this just sounded similar to one of your previous hypotheticals.


which one? =)

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Postby Olthar » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:44 pm

Sure, I'd go for it. This is already essentially a blood sport, so I'd have to be pretty damn heartless to even participate. The fact that I got to to the finals means that I probably already did worse things than watching some pissy asshat kill herself.
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Postby Olthar » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:46 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
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What do you mean by this?


My mistake, this just sounded similar to one of your previous hypotheticals.

Mushroom loves making slight variations on the trolley problem. He's posted, like, ten of them, at least.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:47 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical

No.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:52 pm

1: Gambling and using magic is haram, so I wouldn't be doing this in the 1st place.
2: Why couldn't I just use my magic to save her and win? You know, get the best of both worlds?
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:53 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Gambling and using magic is haram, so I wouldn't be doing this in the 1st place.
2: Why couldn't I just use my magic to save her and win? You know, get the best of both worlds?

If using magic to save her and win is possible, I'd definitely do that. It seems too easy for an IM hypothetical, though.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:54 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Gambling and using magic is haram, so I wouldn't be doing this in the 1st place.
2: Why couldn't I just use my magic to save her and win? You know, get the best of both worlds?

Because that would be haram. Didn't you read point 1?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Gambling and using magic is haram, so I wouldn't be doing this in the 1st place.
2: Why couldn't I just use my magic to save her and win? You know, get the best of both worlds?

If using magic to save her and win is possible, I'd definitely do that. It seems too easy for an IM hypothetical, though.


It does say:

You look around and analyse the situation:

1. The timer for your turn is coming up (30 seconds in fact)... if you don't attack and 30 seconds are up, it will be Leblanc's turn and she will win.
2. The Judges aren't intervening. This sort of stunt is what gets them high viewership and makes the game "alive."
3. There is no time or way you could hack or cheat to win at this point without destroying the Temple. If you destroy the Temple, there is 100% certainty that a shockwave will send someone standing on the very edge to fall.
4. The floating platform you are both on is about five stories high from ground level. If Leblanc falls, there's a substantial to high chance that she will die. There's also a chance that she'll only get injured but probably permanently crippled but the fatality rate is pretty high.
5. You do not have any magical capabilities that could work to rectify the situation at the time.


Number 5 was meant to close this off

Otherwise the hypothetical dilemma would not run

the "Magick" of the situation was meant to be highly highly restricted to the playing of the game

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:01 pm

I'm the top dualist in the world and I don't have the proper spells to save their life and win?

Seems terribly unlikely, to say the least.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Hey I just realized something: you're not the one killing anyone, your summoned wizard is. So what if the wizard says "no" to killing the opponent? Or is the wizard a drone who obeys your every command?
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hey I just realized something: you're not the one killing anyone, your summoned wizard is. So what if the wizard says "no" to killing the opponent? Or is the wizard a drone who obeys your every command?


It's like Yu-Gi-Oh! so, the latter.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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I thought the trolley problem was where the trolley is headed for 5 people (if you do nothing) but you can redirect it so it kills 1 person instead... and it assumes you can’t warn


There are many variants of the trolley problem that boil down to the same general problem:

"Would you actively do a Bad Thing or passively let another (often worse, but not in this case) Bad Thing happen?"

This reminded me of a short movie I watched. It was pretty sad.
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Geneviev wrote:I mean, I would be praying that she survives. She'd be fine.


Or... as "fine" as you can be falling down a height of five stories right?

Probably confined to a wheelchair for the rest of life after 20+ mins of screaming as the ambulance arrives... Will probably wish she died.

Actually there's physically therapy nowadays that gets paralyzed people to walk (again).
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Gambling and using magic is haram, so I wouldn't be doing this in the 1st place.
2: Why couldn't I just use my magic to save her and win? You know, get the best of both worlds?

Because that would be haram. Didn't you read point 1?

I was ignoring that and assumed that I went through with this. Shari'ah wise, I'd be killed for this (the murder that is. Unless her family forgives me, then I'd just have to pay blood money).
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Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following hypothetical

No.

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hey I just realized something: you're not the one killing anyone, your summoned wizard is. So what if the wizard says "no" to killing the opponent? Or is the wizard a drone who obeys your every command?


It's like Yu-Gi-Oh! so, the latter.

I used to watch that show a little bit. Sonic X was better, tho.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:31 pm

Valrifell wrote:I'm the top dualist in the world and I don't have the proper spells to save their life and win?

Seems terribly unlikely, to say the least.


Dueling is about combat and destruction, mind games etc
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hey I just realized something: you're not the one killing anyone, your summoned wizard is. So what if the wizard says "no" to killing the opponent? Or is the wizard a drone who obeys your every command?


He’s a bot basically

Like a chess piece

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