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ICE attempts to deport American born citizen

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:42 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Peter Sean Brown, a U.S. citizen born in Philadelphia, was held by local police executing ICE orders when he was almost deported to Jamaica.
Peter Sean Brown was born in Philadelphia.

But when he showed up at a Florida sheriff’s office for violating probation after testing positive for marijuana, he was told he would be detained and flagged for deportation — to the island of Jamaica — based on a request from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, according to a federal lawsuit filed Monday.

Brown repeatedly told officers at the Monroe County Sheriff's Office in Florida that he was a U.S. citizen, and even offered to show his birth certificate, according to the lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP.

Brown, 50, had been living in Florida for the last decade, according to the suit.

"Despite his repeated protests to multiple jail officers, his offer to produce proof, and the jail’s own records, the sheriff’s office held Mr. Brown so that ICE could deport him to Jamaica — a country where he has never lived and knows no one," the complaint said.


The lawsuit also claims that Brown's inmate file at the sheriff's office indicated he was citizen in multiple places, including listing his place of birth as Philadelphia. That file also showed Brown had a valid Florida driver's license, according to the suit.

Brown's friend and manager of the restaurant where he worked, Brooke Lynch, checked Brown's name in an online inmate locater and discovered he had an ICE detainer request against him, according to the suit. But that detainer allegedly had some discrepancies, according to the suit, listing an incorrect birth date for Brown and indicating he was 7 feet tall when he is 5 foot 7 inches.

During his time in jail, the suit alleges the officers mocked him, one telling him "‘everything’s gonna be alright’ in a Jamaican accent."

When Brown tried to tell officers he was born in Philadelphia, one guard sang to him the theme of the 1990s sitcom "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air," where actor Will Smith raps about being "born and raised" in West Philadelphia.

Brown spent three weeks in jail in April before he was turned over to the Krome immigration detention center in Miami, according to the lawsuit.

"Mr. Brown was terrified that he could be put on a plane at any moment and deported to Jamaica," the suit said.

While he was jailed, Brown filed several formal complaints with Sheriff Rick Ramsay saying he was being falsely accused, according to the suit.

"I have been wrongly accused and threatened with deportation from ICE," he wrote in one, according to the lawsuit. "I am and have always been a citizen of the United States."

That complaint also stated that 20 years ago in New Jersey, the predecessor agency to ICE had mistakenly arrested and then released him after they learned he was a citizen, according to the lawsuit.

After Brown was turned over to ICE, agents agreed to look at Brown’s birth certificate as proof of his citizenship, which his roommate emailed over and ICE determined he was in fact a U.S. citizen, according to the suit.

"After confirming that Mr. Brown was a U.S. citizen, ICE hastily arranged for his release from Krome," the suit said. "Before he left, they confiscated all the documents they had given him regarding his impending deportation."

Ramsay said in a statement from the sheriff's office Tuesday afternoon that, "Local law enforcement throughout this country has been caught in the middle of a political argument regarding immigration."

"Although I can’t respond as much as I would like on this case given the pending litigation, I always strive for transparency with the public, which all of us here at the sheriff’s office serve," he said. "This was an unfortunate case of mistaken identity by ICE regarding a subject who was initially in state custody for violating probation for a felony crime of violence against a police officer."

Ramsay said his office was notified in writing by ICE that Brown had a final order of deportation and that his identity had been confirmed via "biometrics," such as fingerprints or other identifying data.

"It is important to also note that when an inmate is held under an ICE matter, I, as sheriff, do not have the legal authority to release that person," he said. "Though the sheriff’s office does not investigate immigration matters and while I cannot release detainees under ICE custody, I immediately took action when notified of this matter months ago."

Ramsay said he ordered the office's detention deputies to "immediately notify ICE of a detainee’s claims of citizenship and to follow up with those claims."

The sheriff's office said in a statement it told Brown about the ICE detainer "approximately three weeks prior to his transfer to a federal detention center in Miami in an effort to give Mr. Brown and his attorney time to resolve the matter."

"Mr. Brown was detained for about 12 hours total on the ICE matter in the Monroe County Detention Center on Stock Island, before he was picked up by ICE," the statement added.

Records provided by the sheriff's office showed Brown was said to have violated probation on a 2016 charge of resisting an officer with violence after testing positive for marijuana and failing to make court payments.

An immigration detainer provided by the sheriff's office indicated ICE checked boxes indicating there was a final order of removal against Brown and that they had "biometric confirmation" of his identity.

ICE did not immediately respond to request for comment.

While ICE is not named in the lawsuit, the case takes aim at the relationship some local law enforcement authorities have with the federal agency. In Monroe County, officials sent Brown's fingerprints to the FBI, which then forwarded those fingerprints to ICE, according to the lawsuit.

The following day, an ICE officer sent a detainer request for Brown, asking that the jail hold him for up to 48 hours beyond the time he would have been released, according to the lawsuit. The sheriff's office agreed to that request and rearrested Brown after he appeared in court on April 26 for his probation violation, despite a judge ordering his release, according to the suit.

The lawsuit accuses the sheriff's office of "carelessly and aggressively" arresting people for ICE under what's known as a Basic Ordering Agreement between the two, where the sheriff's office receives $50 for each individual it holds at ICE's request.

The sheriff's office said in its statement that under the agreement it can hold an ICE detainee for no longer than 48 hours and money from the detentions goes to the county and not the sheriff's office budget.

The suit, which was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, claims Brown’s Fourth Amendment rights were violated. The Fourth Amendment protects people from unreasonable search and seizure by the government.

Brown's lawyers said his detention caused him to become "severely depressed" and lose his job. The suit asked for the court to award Brown appropriate monetary damages, attorney costs and any other relief the court finds just.

"It’s shocking and not right that somebody can lose their human rights and have all dignity stripped away simply because someone delivers a piece of paper or signs a form," Brown said in a statement released by the ACLU.


ICE did something stupid. The man was arrested for smoking weed while on probation, but despite every possible peace of evidence saying that he was US born, ICE still tried to deport him.

What's worse is that he got severely depressed in a time when the US is still lacking in mental healthcare and lost his job beacuse of the unjust ICE detention.

Yes, the man did do something wrong, but that is no reason to deport a citizen. Arrest yes, but deport to a country the man was never in no.

I think the Trump administration has made everyone too jumpy to just deport people.

But what say you NSG?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:17 am
by Thermodolia
Sounds like the dude has just had some extremely bad luck

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:19 am
by Neo Domais
Classic Trump administration for you, we should get ride of I.C.E or at least train them better. In no world should this happen.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:22 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Thermodolia wrote:Sounds like the dude has just had some extremely bad luck

Incredibly bad luck.

ICE should still have realized that they were going to deport a US born citizen.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:23 am
by The Huskar Social Union
What a clusterfuck

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:24 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
The fact that this happened is pathetic, and hopefully the guy wins the lawsuit.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:28 am
by Grenartia
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Yes, the man did do something wrong


No, he didn't. Illegal (not that it should be illegal), sure. But not wrong.

Also, abolish ICE.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:33 am
by His Excellence
Wow, pretty much everything in that report just sounds super racist. He smoked weed, so we're sending him to Jamaica? Singing Bel Air?

Forget write ups and slaps on the wrist, every officer who had a hand in this situation should be unceremoniously fired without severance pay, if not deported as well.

'Illegal immigration' should be a dirty term referring to people not following the law and refusing background checks, ergo most likely having something to hide, but when ICE does such an appallingly shitty job of handling migration/deportation practices, suddenly all the people calling for open border no questions asked immigration sound a lot less silly to me.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:33 am
by Chernoslavia
Grenartia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Yes, the man did do something wrong


Also, abolish ICE.


Hahaha.....No.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:33 am
by Thermodolia
Grenartia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Yes, the man did do something wrong


No, he didn't. Illegal (not that it should be illegal), sure. But not wrong.

Also, abolish ICE.

Because abolishing ICE would definitely fix this problem... Oh wait no it wouldn’t. The guy was almost deported 20 years by ICE’s predecessor.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:33 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Grenartia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Yes, the man did do something wrong


No, he didn't. Illegal (not that it should be illegal), sure. But not wrong.

Also, abolish ICE.


He also resisted an officer with violence in 2016.

So, yes he did do something wrong.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:55 am
by Communist Xomaniax
Hopefully the dude wins a big settlement over this.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:59 am
by Galloism
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:When Brown tried to tell officers he was born in Philadelphia, one guard sang to him the theme of the 1990s sitcom "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air," where actor Will Smith raps about being "born and raised" in West Philadelphia.


This is one of those things that would have been extremely funny if he wasn't actually telling the truth.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:59 am
by Teachian
I.C.E., if you could just stop doing stupid shit, that’d be great.

I just wonder what it looked like when they realized the guy was American. Who would have thunk someone adamantly claiming they had a birth certification would have a birth certificate. :blink:

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:11 am
by Fartsniffage
Teachian wrote:I.C.E., if you could just stop doing stupid shit, that’d be great.

I just wonder what it looked like when they realized the guy was American. Who would have thunk someone adamantly claiming they had a birth certification would have a birth certificate. :blink:


But was it the long form certificate?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:29 am
by The Grims
So were the cops arrested for their racist behaviour ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:57 am
by Ethel mermania
Everyting is going to be all right.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:58 am
by Rojava Free State
They need to totally liquidate that organization, replace everyone in it and have better oversight. At this point, if ICE can target a random everyday American, I think it's safe to assume we all should be concerned about an increasingly meaninglessly heavily armed military force patrolling our city streets with impunity and an above the law status.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/t ... topsy.html
If this article doesn't convince you that ICE is out of control and heavy handed, I don't know what will. Every officer involved in this individual's death should be sentenced to death, or at least to life in prison. But i doubt they will be even charged because like most other law enforcement in the un-united state of hysteria, they get a free pass to basically abuse their power.
Just remember what happened in Los Angeles in 1992 after the citizens there faced years of abuse by the local police. If something isnt done soon to reign in these thugs, I have a feeling there will be a flashpoint that leads to serious civil unrest, widespread violence and a mob using a more lethal method to solve ICE if the government wont. People who are backed into a corner lash out, and there's only so far ICE can go before they start suffering damages and casualties. Stop the exploitation now, or don't complain when things get worse.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:01 pm
by Rojava Free State
Neo Domais wrote:Classic Trump administration for you, we should get ride of I.C.E or at least train them better. In no world should this happen.


We need immigration enforcement but clearly like much of law enforcement in America, there's poor screening which allows a horrific mix of sociopaths, sadists, racists and crooks to find a loophole to break the law

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:39 pm
by Valgora
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
ICE did something stupid. The man was arrested for smoking weed while on probation, but despite every possible peace of evidence saying that he was US born, ICE still tried to deport him.

What's worse is that he got severely depressed in a time when the US is still lacking in mental healthcare and lost his job beacuse of the unjust ICE detention.

Yes, the man did do something wrong, but that is no reason to deport a citizen. Arrest yes, but deport to a country the man was never in no.


He didn't do anything wrong. There is nothing wrong with smoking cannabis, whether or not it's legal and whether or not he was on probation.
The fact that he doesn't deserve to be arrested adds to the stupidity of ICE trying to deport him.

I think the Trump administration has made everyone too jumpy to just deport people.

Probably.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:47 pm
by Saiwania
The person in question looks foreign enough, so ICE should get no blame in trying to deport him. I'd agree to a settlement though. The purpose of a lawsuit is to get compensation for damages. Its not to get rich or to be able to live in the lap of luxury or any of that nonsense, even though this is sometimes the new effect of certain cases.

This man should perhaps get up to $100,000 at most. A few years' worth of wages that his previous job would've gotten him. Enough to give him plenty of time to find a new job but not enough to retire on the spot.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:55 pm
by Fartsniffage
Saiwania wrote:The person in question looks foreign enough, so ICE should get no blame in trying to deport him. I'd agree to a settlement though. The purpose of a lawsuit is to get compensation for damages. Its not to get rich or to be able to live in the lap of luxury or any of that nonsense, even though this is sometimes the new effect of certain cases.

This man should perhaps get up to $100,000 at most. A few years' worth of wages that his previous job would've gotten him. Enough to give him plenty of time to find a new job but not enough to retire on the spot.


My lord you're despicable. "Looks foreign enough"?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:00 pm
by Valgora
Saiwania wrote:The person in question looks foreign enough, so ICE should get no blame in trying to deport him. I'd agree to a settlement though. The purpose of a lawsuit is to get compensation for damages. Its not to get rich or to be able to live in the lap of luxury or any of that nonsense, even though this is sometimes the new effect of certain cases.

This man should perhaps get up to $100,000 at most. A few years' worth of wages that his previous job would've gotten him. Enough to give him plenty of time to find a new job but not enough to retire on the spot.

Looking "foreign enough" ain't a good reason to deport someone.
ICE absolutely deserves blame in trying to deport an American citizen.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:02 pm
by Loben
Valgora wrote:
Saiwania wrote:The person in question looks foreign enough, so ICE should get no blame in trying to deport him. I'd agree to a settlement though. The purpose of a lawsuit is to get compensation for damages. Its not to get rich or to be able to live in the lap of luxury or any of that nonsense, even though this is sometimes the new effect of certain cases.

This man should perhaps get up to $100,000 at most. A few years' worth of wages that his previous job would've gotten him. Enough to give him plenty of time to find a new job but not enough to retire on the spot.

Looking "foreign enough" ain't a good reason to deport someone.
ICE absolutely deserves blame in trying to deport an American citizen.


by birth or marriage?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:02 pm
by Valgora
Loben wrote:
Valgora wrote:Looking "foreign enough" ain't a good reason to deport someone.
ICE absolutely deserves blame in trying to deport an American citizen.


by birth or marriage?

Why does that matter?