ICE attempts to deport American born citizen

[New haven america]

What does thinking someone is possessed have to do with anything?

Because contrary to the assertion of the poster I was replying to, its a Biblical passage that explicitly endorses racism. Jesus initially rejects the Canaanite woman's request for healing on the basis that he is called only to help the "sons of Israel", then compares her to a dog and the Jews to children when he says "it is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs".

I'm just tired of hearing Christians claim that their Biblical text doesn't endorse racism. It clearly does, and this is just one example.

You are aware Jesus was a Jew, correct?

Also, for a decent chunk of Christianity's history, Christians just thought of themselves as a sect of Judaism.

[New haven america]

It's also impossible. Besides, he's not the only one. A lot of Americans believe that immigration is a bad thing.

And who inspires them to think that? Trump, who brings it up at every opportunity.

Actually, most right-wing conservatives are against immigration and birthright citizenship, always have been.

Trump's just their most recent mouthpiece.

[Purgatio]

Because contrary to the assertion of the poster I was replying to, its a Biblical passage that explicitly endorses racism. Jesus initially rejects the Canaanite woman's request for healing on the basis that he is called only to help the "sons of Israel", then compares her to a dog and the Jews to children when he says "it is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs".

I'm just tired of hearing Christians claim that their Biblical text doesn't endorse racism. It clearly does, and this is just one example.

You are aware Jesus was a Jew, correct?

Also, for a decent chunk of Christianity's, Christians just thought of themselves as a sect of Judaism.

Jesus being Jewish disproves my point that the Biblical passage I quoted was explicitly-racist....how, exactly?

[Purgatio]

I don't wanna derail the thread but - I'm genuinely curious, what exactly is so wrong about penal transportation?

ICE ARE HISPANIC AMERICAN ABUSERS. SHAME ON THEM

Wow that's a pretty brazen accusation. Care to back that up with some actual evidence?

[Duhon]

And who inspires them to think that? Trump, who brings it up at every opportunity.

Actually, most right-wing conservatives are against immigration and birthright citizenship, always have been.

Trump's just their most recent mouthpiece.

Depriving them of a mouthpiece that moves mountains before he does even greater harm is a great thing, no?

[New haven america]

You are aware Jesus was a Jew, correct?

Also, for a decent chunk of Christianity's, Christians just thought of themselves as a sect of Judaism.

Jesus being Jewish disproves my point that the Biblical passage I quoted was explicitly-racist....how, exactly?

How can Jesus be racist against his own race?

Unless you're willing to make the argument that Jesus was a self-hating Jew...

[New haven america]

Actually, most right-wing conservatives are against immigration and birthright citizenship, always have been.

Trump's just their most recent mouthpiece.

Depriving them of a mouthpiece that moves mountains before he does even greater harm is a great thing, no?

It won't matter, they'll just find another one, like they always do.

Same shit happened under H. Bush and Reagan.

[Purgatio]

Jesus being Jewish disproves my point that the Biblical passage I quoted was explicitly-racist....how, exactly?

How can Jesus be racist against his own race?

Unless you're willing to make the argument that Jesus was a self-hating Jew...

....I wasn't making the argument that Jesus was anti-Semitic. I argued that he was being racist against the Canaanite woman for not being Jewish. By comparing her race to "dogs" and the Jews to "children" at the table. Did you even read the post before commenting on what I wrote?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Purgatio, go here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=445882&p=35020131#p35020131

[Greater vakolicci haven]

How can Jesus be racist against his own race?

Unless you're willing to make the argument that Jesus was a self-hating Jew...

....I wasn't making the argument that Jesus was anti-Semitic. I argued that he was being racist against the Canaanite woman for not being Jewish. By comparing her race to "dogs" and the Jews to "children" at the table. Did you even read the post before commenting on what I wrote?

A few biblical verses may be considered racist in the modern sense. Good Samaritan anybody?

[Holy Tedalonia]

....I wasn't making the argument that Jesus was anti-Semitic. I argued that he was being racist against the Canaanite woman for not being Jewish. By comparing her race to "dogs" and the Jews to "children" at the table. Did you even read the post before commenting on what I wrote?

A few biblical verses may be considered racist in the modern sense. Good Samaritan anybody?

I find it amusing to see people think the good samaritan verses as racist, since they break down the racist stereotypes that many jews held over samaritans.

[Novus America]

disgusting. abolish ice and open borders

So that we have massive shanty towns with no infrastructure, no services and massive environmental degradation?

We have to limit immigration to what our resources, infrastructure and environment can support.
Immigration can be good, but it cannot exceed what we can support.

[Novus America]

This displays a disturbing trend of disregard by ice.

They've done things like this before. One of my friends was born in the US, her parents were born in the US, and her grandparents became citizens and they tried to deport her anyway because of a mistake with her name. ICE shouldn't even exist.

ICE absolutely should exist. It does not deal only with immigration either, it also deals with many other criminal matters, particularly trafficking and smuggling.
And we do need someone to enforce our immigration laws (as well as customs laws).

It does need to exist, but it does need some improvement obviously.

[Duhon]

disgusting. abolish ice and open borders

So that we have massive shanty towns with no infrastructure, no services and massive environmental degradation?

We have to limit immigration to what our resources, infrastructure and environment can support.
Immigration can be good, but it cannot exceed what we can support.

Given the load the United States has taken annually before Trump, I doubt those limits you speak of are anywhere near tested, though admittedly I have nothing to back me up. That said, the assumptions Americans have about immigrants must change before they become second nature, before Trump's "invaders" and "bad hombres" become something other than punchlines.

[South Ccanda]

So that we have massive shanty towns with no infrastructure, no services and massive environmental degradation?

We have to limit immigration to what our resources, infrastructure and environment can support.
Immigration can be good, but it cannot exceed what we can support.

Given the load the United States has taken annually before Trump, I doubt those limits you speak of are anywhere near tested, though admittedly I have nothing to back me up. That said, the assumptions Americans have about immigrants must change before they become second nature, before Trump's "invaders" and "bad hombres" become something other than punchlines.

but, even Mexicans are calling them invaders. Too late, I guess.

[New haven america]

Given the load the United States has taken annually before Trump, I doubt those limits you speak of are anywhere near tested, though admittedly I have nothing to back me up. That said, the assumptions Americans have about immigrants must change before they become second nature, before Trump's "invaders" and "bad hombres" become something other than punchlines.

but, even Mexicans are calling them invaders. Too late, I guess.

Doubt it.

But even so, usually the only the ones (You can replace Mexicans with any immigrant group) who would say that would be the ones who were able to pass the US' (Strike that, any developed nation's) ridiculously high immigration standards/requirements and come in legally (So those who either had/have a crap ton of money or skills most Mexicans couldn't get).

[South Ccanda]

but, even Mexicans are calling them invaders. Too late, I guess.

Doubt it.

But even so, usually the only the ones (You can replace Mexicans with any immigrant group) who would say that would be the ones who were able to pass the US' (Strike that, any developed nation's) ridiculously high immigration standards/requirements and come in legally (So those who either had/have a crap ton of money or skills most Mexicans couldn't get).

no no, you aren't getting it, I should have been more clear. people who are Mexican, who live in Mexico, are calling the Hondurans invaders of Mexico.

[Purgatio]

Doubt it.

But even so, usually the only the ones (You can replace Mexicans with any immigrant group) who would say that would be the ones who were able to pass the US' (Strike that, any developed nation's) ridiculously high immigration standards/requirements and come in legally (So those who either had/have a crap ton of money or skills most Mexicans couldn't get).

no no, you aren't getting it, I should have been more clear. people who are Mexican, who live in Mexico, are calling the Hondurans invaders of Mexico.

Yeap, that's exactly right, as supported by incidents like these: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/19/mexico-protests-grow-in-tijuana-against-migrant-caravan

[Novus America]

So that we have massive shanty towns with no infrastructure, no services and massive environmental degradation?

We have to limit immigration to what our resources, infrastructure and environment can support.
Immigration can be good, but it cannot exceed what we can support.

Given the load the United States has taken annually before Trump, I doubt those limits you speak of are anywhere near tested, though admittedly I have nothing to back me up. That said, the assumptions Americans have about immigrants must change before they become second nature, before Trump's "invaders" and "bad hombres" become something other than punchlines.

The US continues to bring in around a million legal immigrants a year. But those are required to usually speak English and have economically needed skills and jobs, or have family who do.
Of course those who speak English and have skills and jobs are easier to accommodate.

Now we certainly might be able to accommodate more, but the appropriate amount with the appropriate skill sets needs to be rationally determined, necessitating border enforcement.

[Geneviev]

It's also impossible. Besides, he's not the only one. A lot of Americans believe that immigration is a bad thing.

And who inspires them to think that? Trump, who brings it up at every opportunity.

As for the possibility of Trump's lawful removal -- I'm inclined to despair myself regarding that, but then I'm not American. The situation can very easily fall down a reactionary abyss. But give it the old college try anyway -- if there's the slightest chance of Trump ending up like Nixon in his last days -- shunned by the public, scorned by politicians, left alone on a desolate White House the better to yo-yo his way to the chopper -- exploit it to the full.

You will not make headway while his voice still rings the airwaves.

There's no chance that Trump will be impeached or anything else. Too many people like him too much. The better solution is to either not have ICE or train them to not deport anyone who looks like they might possibly be an immigrant.

They've done things like this before. One of my friends was born in the US, her parents were born in the US, and her grandparents became citizens and they tried to deport her anyway because of a mistake with her name. ICE shouldn't even exist.

ICE absolutely should exist. It does not deal only with immigration either, it also deals with many other criminal matters, particularly trafficking and smuggling.
And we do need someone to enforce our immigration laws (as well as customs laws).

It does need to exist, but it does need some improvement obviously.

If there were improvement, ICE would be okay for America. The problem is that they seem racist and that probably won't change very soon.

[New haven america]

And who inspires them to think that? Trump, who brings it up at every opportunity.

As for the possibility of Trump's lawful removal -- I'm inclined to despair myself regarding that, but then I'm not American. The situation can very easily fall down a reactionary abyss. But give it the old college try anyway -- if there's the slightest chance of Trump ending up like Nixon in his last days -- shunned by the public, scorned by politicians, left alone on a desolate White House the better to yo-yo his way to the chopper -- exploit it to the full.

You will not make headway while his voice still rings the airwaves.

There's no chance that Trump will be impeached or anything else. Too many people like him too much.

His approval rating is ~39% right now, so no, not too many people like him.

Now, the reason he wouldn't get impeached is for entirely different reasons (Mainly, Republicans in the government being Hacks).

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I've gone from 'build a wall,' to 'let's get rid of ICE' in an extremely short period of time.

[Mystic Warriors]

It's also impossible. Besides, he's not the only one. A lot of Americans believe that immigration is a bad thing.

And who inspires them to think that? Trump, who brings it up at every opportunity.

As for the possibility of Trump's lawful removal -- I'm inclined to despair myself regarding that, but then I'm not American. The situation can very easily fall down a reactionary abyss. But give it the old college try anyway -- if there's the slightest chance of Trump ending up like Nixon in his last days -- shunned by the public, scorned by politicians, left alone on a desolate White House the better to yo-yo his way to the chopper -- exploit it to the full.

You will not make headway while his voice still rings the airwaves.

Racism is not new, Trump just gave it a platform.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

And who inspires them to think that? Trump, who brings it up at every opportunity.

As for the possibility of Trump's lawful removal -- I'm inclined to despair myself regarding that, but then I'm not American. The situation can very easily fall down a reactionary abyss. But give it the old college try anyway -- if there's the slightest chance of Trump ending up like Nixon in his last days -- shunned by the public, scorned by politicians, left alone on a desolate White House the better to yo-yo his way to the chopper -- exploit it to the full.

You will not make headway while his voice still rings the airwaves.

Racism is not new, Trump just gave it a platform.

I'd disagree with you that support of a strict immigration system, when it comes largely from the non-college educated elements (as most polls seem to show) in society, is necessarily racist, as people can only be expected to support he policies that put food on their tables and help their own lives. If communities see jobs being taken by imigrants who will do them cheaper, thecalls for altruism ring very hollow indeed.

[Petrasylvania]

I've gone from 'build a wall,' to 'let's get rid of ICE' in an extremely short period of time.

What happened?