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Mohacian
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Postby Mohacian » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:05 pm

These federal officers MUST TEACH A LESSON OF HUMAN RIGHTS. im sorry for the angryness.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:07 pm

Hopefully this guy wins his lawsuit and dunks on ICE really fucking hard, there’s absolutely no excuse for this.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:08 pm

Stupid organization with too much power, too little organizational oversight, and a ruined brand. Get rid of it.

If their burden can't be taken up by pre-existing agencies like before they were established, then create a new one. But, you know, different.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:My lord you're despicable. "Looks foreign enough"?


If most people in my country were Black for example, and I was one of the only Whites; it'd be understandable that I could be deported in that scenario. This guy doesn't even look like your typical African American. He looks like he's from the Caribbean. By looks alone though, you wouldn't be able to tell where he's from. No idea if he has any specific accent when speaking.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm

Loben wrote:
Valgora wrote:Looking "foreign enough" ain't a good reason to deport someone.
ICE absolutely deserves blame in trying to deport an American citizen.


by birth or marriage?

From literally the first paragraph.

Peter Sean Brown was born in Philadelphia.

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Postby Loben » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:10 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Loben wrote:
by birth or marriage?

From literally the first paragraph.

Peter Sean Brown was born in Philadelphia.


heh.

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Postby US-SSR » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:11 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:They need to totally liquidate that organization, replace everyone in it and have better oversight. At this point, if ICE can target a random everyday American, I think it's safe to assume we all should be concerned about an increasingly meaninglessly heavily armed military force patrolling our city streets with impunity and an above the law status.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/t ... topsy.html
If this article doesn't convince you that ICE is out of control and heavy handed, I don't know what will. Every officer involved in this individual's death should be sentenced to death, or at least to life in prison. But i doubt they will be even charged because like most other law enforcement in the un-united state of hysteria, they get a free pass to basically abuse their power.
Just remember what happened in Los Angeles in 1992 after the citizens there faced years of abuse by the local police. If something isnt done soon to reign in these thugs, I have a feeling there will be a flashpoint that leads to serious civil unrest, widespread violence and a mob using a more lethal method to solve ICE if the government wont. People who are backed into a corner lash out, and there's only so far ICE can go before they start suffering damages and casualties. Stop the exploitation now, or don't complain when things get worse.

^ This. Abolish ICE.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:My lord you're despicable. "Looks foreign enough"?


If most people in my country were Black for example, and I was one of the only Whites; it'd be understandable that I could be deported in that scenario.


Dude, what the fuck, no it's not. If you think this situation or your hypothetical is acceptable by any means, I'm sorry, but that's wrong.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:12 pm

Saiwania wrote:The person in question looks foreign enough, so ICE should get no blame in trying to deport him. I'd agree to a settlement though. The purpose of a lawsuit is to get compensation for damages. Its not to get rich or to be able to live in the lap of luxury or any of that nonsense, even though this is sometimes the new effect of certain cases.

This man should perhaps get up to $100,000 at most. A few years' worth of wages that his previous job would've gotten him. Enough to give him plenty of time to find a new job but not enough to retire on the spot.

Yeah. “Looks foreign enough.” This is a perfect indicator of nationality in a society like America.
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Postby Loben » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:13 pm

US-SSR wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:They need to totally liquidate that organization, replace everyone in it and have better oversight. At this point, if ICE can target a random everyday American, I think it's safe to assume we all should be concerned about an increasingly meaninglessly heavily armed military force patrolling our city streets with impunity and an above the law status.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/t ... topsy.html
If this article doesn't convince you that ICE is out of control and heavy handed, I don't know what will. Every officer involved in this individual's death should be sentenced to death, or at least to life in prison. But i doubt they will be even charged because like most other law enforcement in the un-united state of hysteria, they get a free pass to basically abuse their power.
Just remember what happened in Los Angeles in 1992 after the citizens there faced years of abuse by the local police. If something isnt done soon to reign in these thugs, I have a feeling there will be a flashpoint that leads to serious civil unrest, widespread violence and a mob using a more lethal method to solve ICE if the government wont. People who are backed into a corner lash out, and there's only so far ICE can go before they start suffering damages and casualties. Stop the exploitation now, or don't complain when things get worse.

^ This. Abolish ICE.


and waste taxpayer money replacing it with a organization that....does the same thing.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:16 pm

Loben wrote:
US-SSR wrote:^ This. Abolish ICE.


and waste taxpayer money replacing it with a organization that....does the same thing.


How would it waste taxpayer money, like at all? You're taking the money that goes to ICE, no longer giving it to ICE, and giving it to a new organization.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:16 pm

Loben wrote:
US-SSR wrote:^ This. Abolish ICE.


and waste taxpayer money replacing it with a organization that....does the same thing.

As opposed to 1) wasting taxpayer money on the same organization or 2) simply not replacing it and using the regular police force?
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:21 pm

US-SSR wrote:This. Abolish ICE.


This is unfortunately the demand of the looniest part of the Left. The Right isn't going to let this happen and if the Liberals do manage to do all this evil, the Right will undo all of it and put ICE right back where it belongs whenever the Right has power in government.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:23 pm

Saiwania wrote:
US-SSR wrote:This. Abolish ICE.


This is unfortunately the demand of the looniest part of the Left. The Right isn't going to let this happen and if the Liberals do manage to do all this evil, the Right will undo all of it and put ICE right back where it belongs whenever the Right has power in government.


A government agency that relies on the cooperation of people that can't get people to cooperate with it is fucking abysmally pointless.
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Postby Mohacian » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Saiwania wrote:
US-SSR wrote:This. Abolish ICE.


This is unfortunately the demand of the looniest part of the Left. The Right isn't going to let this happen and if the Liberals do manage to do all this evil, the Right will undo all of it and put ICE right back where it belongs whenever the Right has power in government.

You are a GENIUS Saiwania And im Pissed off. You know
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Postby Dark Socialism » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:24 pm

Deport him anyway lol
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Postby Novus America » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:33 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Loben wrote:
and waste taxpayer money replacing it with a organization that....does the same thing.

As opposed to 1) wasting taxpayer money on the same organization or 2) simply not replacing it and using the regular police force?


What regular police force? There is no “regular US police force”.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:00 pm

Yeaaaaaah... abolish ICE.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:01 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:Deport him anyway lol


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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:07 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:Deport him anyway lol


Jamaica would deport him back.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:13 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:Deport him anyway lol

Lol nah. Can’t deport someone to a place where they aren’t even a citizen of in the first place.

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Dark Socialism wrote:Deport him anyway lol


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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:24 pm

Seems ICE has agreements with some US county local law enforcement agencies to pay them for holding illegals they catch. So this local Florida county law enforcement agency was going to get $50 a day from ICE for holding this guy. However, in the end local county taxpayers will have to foot the bill, probably a few millions, after this guys civil lawyers get through with them.
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm

This is hardly the first time ICE has done this lol, they're terrible at their jobs and being given leeway to continue being terrible by the president ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in other news the sky is blue
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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:As opposed to 1) wasting taxpayer money on the same organization or 2) simply not replacing it and using the regular police force?


What regular police force? There is no “regular US police force”.

I'm kind of curious what you mean by this.
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