Why cant people just enjoy the holidays?

[The Sherpa Empire]

What's in this drink?

Good question.

Also, where is the poll option for "These people are probably not for real in the first place"? They could easily be alt-right trolls feigning offence to see if anyone is dumb enough to take it seriously.

[Caracasus]

I see far more folks getting their knicker elastic dangerously twisted over 'sjw pc culture ruining christmas' than anything else, ever.

No one is stopping you saying merry christmas. The presence of seasons greetings cards doesn't mean that merry christmas cards are being torn from the shelves and the reason the council didn't put up christmas lights this year is cos they're fucking skint.

Have a stiff drink, relax and try to enjoy the holiday. Take a few days off from looking under the bed for the scary sjw boogeymen for fuck's sake.

[Nolo gap]

considering what almost everyone says about families, spending time with them doesn't sound to my like a very probable way to decompress.

spending time with each our own personal echo chambers might be.
then again i know i'm odd enough for a human to not mind being not entirely considered one.

and people CAN "just enjoy the 'holi'days".

there is no place on this or any livable world, that would not be a paradise, if no one hated logic, consideration, honesty, or imagination,
and likewise none that wouldn't be a hell, if everyone did.

there is a reason for consideration. its not because someone or some belief says its the nice thing to do,
its because those for things together create what the experiencing of any world, is like.

so avoid expectations and assumptions, and enjoy a nice hot cup, of whatever it is you enjoy a nice hot cup of,
and thank whatever spirits you believe in, that you're not homeless, or even if you are, that you access to the internet,
and whatever you're connecting to it with.

[The Holy Therns]

People can and they do.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Some people are just whiny bitches, others are just talking about songs/films etc in a different modern context as those movies/songs/whatever came out in a different time period when we had a different cultural mindset for certain things.

Personally i dont give a fuck that much. Also plenty of people just enjoy the holidays, even those liberals people like to get super mad about all the time.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's because of the pervasive democratisation of society and the breakdown of the public/private split by identity politics movements since the 60s. Everything is political and every ordinary man in the street thinks of himself as a temporarily-embarassed philosopher king on the same level as history's greatest authorities and experts. The constant expression of his opinion on everything and everything is therefore virtuous rather than tiresome windbaggery.

Everyone feels like they have a right to an opinion on everything and that everyone else must hear about it.

[The Free Joy State]

What's in this drink?

Good question.

Also, where is the poll option for "These people are probably not for real in the first place"? They could easily be alt-right trolls feigning offence to see if anyone is dumb enough to take it seriously.

I was also looking for that poll option.

Really, every year I hear a lot of right-wing outrage, with people complaining of left-wing outrage over Christmas traditions, but I never seem to hear any left-leaning people actually complaining (of course, I don't frequent Twitter).

Christmas is not under threat.

There is an abundance of "Merry Christmas" cards (I found it nearly impossible to find a "Seasons Greetings" card for the person who doesn't like Merry Christmas, but that's because someone died on Christmas Day and it's rather insensive rather than "SJW bogeymen").

Christmas lights are still on display (although some have to be funded by citizens' groups, because councils are broke).

Christmas is not being renamed Winterval (and it never was -- in 1998, Birmingham used the name as an umbrella term for all the seasonal celebrations, and featured Christmas very prominently; after-which the right-wing media have banded the myth that Christmas had been banned in various "unnamed councils" repeatedly over the years; including 40 times in the Times and 44 times in the Daily Mail).

So rather than worry about Christmas being taken away, which isn't happening, just relax and enjoy the season.

[The New California Republic]

The holiday is already ruined by endless consumerism.

I'm dreaming of a red Christmas, not like the ones I used to know...

[Nolo gap]

did you know, that the winter solstice would still occur, just the same, if no one had ever tried to make any kind of a big religious deal about it?
(same for the summer solstice and both equanoxis)

so basically, no one needs to call themselves anything to just enjoy the shortest day of the year, to celibrate still being alive, dispite wind, cold, and percipitation.
that refrigeration has been invented so we don't have to be malnourished when there aren't crops to harvest or gather.

and if you want to hug all your invisible friends, and you visible ones too, that's ok and nothing wrong with that either.

[Geneviev]

People can enjoy the holidays, as long as "Baby It's Cold Outside" stops existing.

[Hammer Britannia]

So long as there are two people who disagree with each other, they will use any excuse to bicker with each other.

Even if that means holidays/birthdays/funerals/bar mitzvahs/etc

[Xmara]

Good question.

Also, where is the poll option for "These people are probably not for real in the first place"? They could easily be alt-right trolls feigning offence to see if anyone is dumb enough to take it seriously.

I was also looking for that poll option.

Really, every year I hear a lot of right-wing outrage, with people complaining of left-wing outrage over Christmas traditions, but I never seem to hear any left-leaning people actually complaining (of course, I don't frequent Twitter).

Christmas is not under threat.

There is an abundance of "Merry Christmas" cards (I found it nearly impossible to find a "Seasons Greetings" card for the person who doesn't like Merry Christmas, but that's because someone died on Christmas Day and it's rather insensive rather than "SJW bogeymen").

Christmas lights are still on display (although some have to be funded by citizens' groups, because councils are broke).

Christmas is not being renamed Winterval (and it never was -- in 1998, Birmingham used the name as an umbrella term for all the seasonal celebrations, and featured Christmas very prominently; after-which the right-wing media have banded the myth that Christmas had been banned in various "unnamed councils" repeatedly over the years; including 40 times in the Times and 44 times in the Daily Mail).

So rather than worry about Christmas being taken away, which isn't happening, just relax and enjoy the season.

So much I agree with both of these.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if these people getting outraged are trolls. I also think too that they could just be trying to make a stink over something just to get 15 minutes of fame.

I must admit, I once fell for the outrage back when I was a young teen trying to figure out my political views. I fell for the “War on Christmas” and legitimately thought that there were politicians trying to ban it. It’s embarrassing to admit.

Then as I got older and met more people who thought differently than me, I began to realize that there is no war on Christmas. When the holidays rolled around and some of my Facebook friends began posting stuff like “Obama wants to ban Christmas,” I checked out the sources. Of course, they were right-wing conspiracy sites.

I ultimately unfriended some of those people because they were getting on my nerves because they wouldn’t look at the sources (one even posted an Onion article and thought it was real) and wouldn’t believe me when I would tell them that they were posting fake news. Not long after I quit Facebook altogether.

But yeah, “the evil leftists” aren’t trying to ban Christmas, and even if they were, there would be so much resistance that they wouldn’t get very far.

[Petrolheadia]

People can enjoy the holidays, as long as "Baby It's Cold Outside" stops existing.

Low-key proving the OP's point.

[Valrifell]

. It literally shows its wrong to not include Rudolph because he has a red nose and the movie has a happy ending showing all reindeer can get along.

Technically, a literal reading of the movie should lead you to the conclusion "it's okay to discriminate unless the people you're discriminating against are useful" but, yes, it's against the "spirit" of the movie.

Anyway, I used to oppose the holiday on commercial grounds (in a "this holiday is supposed to be about JAYSUS" sense) but ever since I embraced the cold and unforgiving void, I stopped caring about it too much. Though the high commercial aspect of it does still unnerve me a bit in some cases.

[Shofercia]

So I am just getting ready for the holidays to spend time with my family and actually unwind for a period of time right... and then I find the articles. The articles that call certain songs racist, bullying, and whatever. Example, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer is a timeless classic that surely everyone can enjoy right? No, of course not in todays world. Apparently the film is bigoted, racist, and abusive. Thats not even the point of the film. The point of the film is to discourage discrimination. It literally shows its wrong to not include Rudolph because he has a red nose and the movie has a happy ending showing all reindeer can get along. Another example is White Christmas. Apparently the song is racist because of its name and it promotes white supremacy. What horseshit. It means white as in snowy. It means a winter wonderland full of snow. These people are so stupid the song should be renamed A Snowy Christmas. Just wow. I am not trying to bash a certain political group here, just a certain type of people. Like seriously it feels like these people can never enjoy themselves or have any sort of fun social behavior without complaining something is racist. It is just depressing at this point.

Because every time there's a captive market, be it the Superbowl, the Olympics, the World Cup, the Holidays, the recent funeral of Bush 41, etc, ineptly talentless leeches will attempt to project their bullshit to drive up their viewing numbers, as they're incapable of honest, hard hitting, and interesting journalism. Granted, that's not the case every single time, as critics of Columbus Day were right, but it happens way too often.

Here's what you can do: find the worst offenders, find their biggest advertisers, and launch a boycott. And if you really want to piss them off, go to Chick-Fil-A twice or thrice a week; for some odd reason, Chick-Fil-A's well being, so much so that it's genuinely able to care for its employees, drives them crazy.

[South Ccanda]

So I am just getting ready for the holidays to spend time with my family and actually unwind for a period of time right... and then I find the articles. The articles that call certain songs racist, bullying, and whatever. Example, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer is a timeless classic that surely everyone can enjoy right? No, of course not in todays world. Apparently the film is bigoted, racist, and abusive. Thats not even the point of the film. The point of the film is to discourage discrimination. It literally shows its wrong to not include Rudolph because he has a red nose and the movie has a happy ending showing all reindeer can get along. Another example is White Christmas. Apparently the song is racist because of its name and it promotes white supremacy. What horseshit. It means white as in snowy. It means a winter wonderland full of snow. These people are so stupid the song should be renamed A Snowy Christmas. Just wow. I am not trying to bash a certain political group here, just a certain type of people. Like seriously it feels like these people can never enjoy themselves or have any sort of fun social behavior without complaining something is racist. It is just depressing at this point.

this narrative that people cant enjoy holidays because people are calling things racist or whatever shows youre coming from a privileged position, you can ignore the libtards calling something racist.

off topic, irrelevant.

[Ifreann]

It's because of the pervasive democratisation of society and the breakdown of the public/private split by identity politics movements since the 60s. Everything is political and every ordinary man in the street thinks of himself as a temporarily-embarassed philosopher king on the same level as history's greatest authorities and experts. The constant expression of his opinion on everything and everything is therefore virtuous rather than tiresome windbaggery.

Everyone feels like they have a right to an opinion on everything and that everyone else must hear about it.

That's just your opinion.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So I am just getting ready for the holidays to spend time with my family and actually unwind for a period of time right... and then I find the articles. The articles that call certain songs racist, bullying, and whatever. Example, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer is a timeless classic that surely everyone can enjoy right? No, of course not in todays world. Apparently the film is bigoted, racist, and abusive. Thats not even the point of the film. The point of the film is to discourage discrimination. It literally shows its wrong to not include Rudolph because he has a red nose and the movie has a happy ending showing all reindeer can get along. Another example is White Christmas. Apparently the song is racist because of its name and it promotes white supremacy. What horseshit. It means white as in snowy. It means a winter wonderland full of snow. These people are so stupid the song should be renamed A Snowy Christmas. Just wow. I am not trying to bash a certain political group here, just a certain type of people. Like seriously it feels like these people can never enjoy themselves or have any sort of fun social behavior without complaining something is racist. It is just depressing at this point.

People complain about things. If those things don't make sense, just ignore them.

People still watch Rudolph and White Christmas.


Everything is fine.

[Tronn]

You do realize that this "mass outrage" or whatever is likely just a dozen or so people on Twitter ranting?

I think it is going from that to this https://www.wthr.com/article/rudolph-re ... nd-bigotry

[Tronn]

So I am just getting ready for the holidays to spend time with my family and actually unwind for a period of time right... and then I find the articles. The articles that call certain songs racist, bullying, and whatever. Example, Rudolph the red nosed reindeer is a timeless classic that surely everyone can enjoy right? No, of course not in todays world. Apparently the film is bigoted, racist, and abusive. Thats not even the point of the film. The point of the film is to discourage discrimination. It literally shows its wrong to not include Rudolph because he has a red nose and the movie has a happy ending showing all reindeer can get along. Another example is White Christmas. Apparently the song is racist because of its name and it promotes white supremacy. What horseshit. It means white as in snowy. It means a winter wonderland full of snow. These people are so stupid the song should be renamed A Snowy Christmas. Just wow. I am not trying to bash a certain political group here, just a certain type of people. Like seriously it feels like these people can never enjoy themselves or have any sort of fun social behavior without complaining something is racist. It is just depressing at this point.

this narrative that people cant enjoy holidays because people are calling things racist or whatever shows youre coming from a privileged position, you can ignore the libtards calling something racist.

the people who ACTUALLY cant enjoy the holidays are too poor to. You can't ignore poverty bud, you can ignore middle class identity politics.

But the holidays are for all. Im not including money or whatever im saying caring about people and the rich, poor, and everyone else can unite without being barked at may end soon.

[Valgora]

The holiday is already ruined by endless consumerism.

I'm dreaming of a red Christmas, not like the ones I used to know...

All I Want for Christmas is...

[Tronn]

I'm dreaming of a red Christmas, not like the ones I used to know...

All I Want for Christmas is...

Quite the sharing is caring ideas you have there...

[Tronn]

I'm dreaming of a red Christmas, not like the ones I used to know...

All I Want for Christmas is...

Quite the sharing is caring ideas you have there...

[Fartsniffage]

did you know, that the winter solstice would still occur, just the same, if no one had ever tried to make any kind of a big religious deal about it?
(same for the summer solstice and both equanoxis)

so basically, no one needs to call themselves anything to just enjoy the shortest day of the year, to celibrate still being alive, dispite wind, cold, and percipitation.
that refrigeration has been invented so we don't have to be malnourished when there aren't crops to harvest or gather.

and if you want to hug all your invisible friends, and you visible ones too, that's ok and nothing wrong with that either.

But if you don't celebrate things properly then the sun won't rise the next day. A mere burning ball of gas will rise into the sky.

[Uiiop]

Making criticism even dumb criticisms of holiday themed material doesn't actually prevent one from just enjoying the holidays.
You're just letting them get into your holiday spirit. It's not like you can't think some critics have a point for say Rudolph and still find that movie enjoyable. Though in this case apparently the person who made the Rudolph video was joking.
The "Timeless classic" vs "100% evil" dichotomy people internalized in their heads for criticism is bad.