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They are doing the right thing.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:29 pm

Who cares?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:30 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:Who cares?


Agreed. Nobody's fault or problem if one hates the holidays.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby New haven america » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:37 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:Who cares?

Apparently Chern.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:40 pm

New haven america wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:Who cares?

Apparently Chern.


When?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Phoenicaea » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:21 pm

man is an aggressive animal, he she has got an inclination in doing so, if let at peace and at rest. besides, traditions may also have got this as part of their ceremonies.

christhmas is quite unique in this as a 'later' tradition, and nevertheless it still has got part of it, down the surface, as the sacred bread and wine which is blood in holy mass.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:46 pm

These days many of us seem to be unwittingly celebrating Festivus, because we enjoy the part about "recriminations".

I would like to take a holiday from finding new things with which to be offended
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:21 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Apparently Chern.


When?

The entire last page.

"Damn liberal SJW's! Making me say Happy Holiday's instead of Merry Christmas. Un-American bastards, the lot of them!"
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:27 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:Who cares?


Agreed. Nobody's fault or problem if one hates the holidays.



Not ruining my good time. I just got a Google home hub, screw em.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:32 am

I can't say I know anyone who is offended by the Holidays, whether or not it's Rudolph, Santa, religious imagery, whatever the fuck. Never in my life have I met one truly offended by the holidays.

In other words, you're essentially standing on a soapbox and talking about an issue that is about as real as Santa Claus.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:33 am

Major-Tom wrote:I can't say I know anyone who is offended by the Holidays, whether or not it's Rudolph, Santa, religious imagery, whatever the fuck. Never in my life have I met one truly offended by the holidays.

In other words, you're essentially standing on a soapbox and talking about an issue that is about as real as Santa Claus.



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Postby Cameroi » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:36 am

you wanna know what ruins a perfectely innocent natural day to celibrate?
it isn't political ideology, its 'religion. people telling each other what to pretend, about things no one knows anything about anyway.

now i'm not saying there aren't good things about it to.
but are people really happier forcing themsevles to pretend they're happy with people they can't stand the rest of the year, just because they happen to be related to them?

why not everybody just be considerate of each other, all the time,
instead of convincing each other its more important to try and impress each other.

if we did that, there would be no opportunity for tyranny.
and if no one hated logic, honesty or imagination either,
there is no place that wouldn't be a paradise.

why should the shortest day of the year, have to be anything else in order to enjoy a good show storm, the smell of pine needles, and no body making someone else's life more difficult because they happen to have been born with spots intead of stripes in their fur.

a billion gods can exist if they feel like it, but none of them owe anything to what you tell someone else to pretend about them
and as for economics, nature got alone just fine before humans were invented, let alone their hiding everything real from themselves,
behind a smokescreen of little green pieces of symbolic value.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:17 am

Major-Tom wrote:I can't say I know anyone who is offended by the Holidays, whether or not it's Rudolph, Santa, religious imagery, whatever the fuck. Never in my life have I met one truly offended by the holidays.

In other words, you're essentially standing on a soapbox and talking about an issue that is about as real as Santa Claus.


Santa Claus is a very real issue. Someone could be hurt if he dropped a package and it landed on their head.
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Postby Dakini » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:54 am

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Uh....I'm pretty sure it's left wingers losing their shit over people saying ''Merry Christmas'' rather than ''Happly Holidays''.

I’ve literally never seen anyone get upset at someone saying “merry Christmas” and I’ve worked in retail for some 6 odd years

When I worked in a store, I seem to recall getting yelled at by someone for not wishing them a "Merry Christmas" though (I either hadn't wished them anything other than a good day or had gone the "Happy holidays" route).

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Postby Astoriya » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:59 am

Does it really matter?

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

New haven america wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
When?

The entire last page.

"Damn liberal SJW's! Making me say Happy Holiday's instead of Merry Christmas. Un-American bastards, the lot of them!"


Interesting. Please point out exactly where I said "Damn liberal SJW's! Making me say Happy Holiday's instead of Merry Christmas. Un-American bastards, the lot of them!"
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Mushet » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:20 pm

I don't think most people are taking this business with the songs and whatever too seriously, just small groups of butthurt people on the internet that like to rant and rave. Sure, these outrages wouldn't go far without some token support from normal people, but that's pretty limited to "hey, that's fucked up" and then going about their day.

Y'all need to go out more, or at least learn how the internet works, pretty much nobody cares about this.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:04 pm

Mushet wrote:I don't think most people are taking this business with the songs and whatever too seriously, just small groups of butthurt people on the internet that like to rant and rave. Sure, these outrages wouldn't go far without some token support from normal people, but that's pretty limited to "hey, that's fucked up" and then going about their day.

Y'all need to go out more, or at least learn how the internet works, pretty much nobody cares about this.


This guy gets it.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:08 pm

Mushet wrote:I don't think most people are taking this business with the songs and whatever too seriously, just small groups of butthurt people on the internet that like to rant and rave. Sure, these outrages wouldn't go far without some token support from normal people, but that's pretty limited to "hey, that's fucked up" and then going about their day.

Y'all need to go out more, or at least learn how the internet works, pretty much nobody cares about this.

I've wanted more censorship of Christmas songs for years, but that's just me irritated that Fairytale New York gets a pass on swearing that no other song does.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:10 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
New haven america wrote:The entire last page.

"Damn liberal SJW's! Making me say Happy Holiday's instead of Merry Christmas. Un-American bastards, the lot of them!"


Interesting. Please point out exactly where I said "Damn liberal SJW's! Making me say Happy Holiday's instead of Merry Christmas. Un-American bastards, the lot of them!"

Apparently you (Unsurprisingly) don't know what paraphrasing is, so start here and go down the entire rest of the page.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:48 pm

New haven america wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Interesting. Please point out exactly where I said "Damn liberal SJW's! Making me say Happy Holiday's instead of Merry Christmas. Un-American bastards, the lot of them!"

Apparently you (Unsurprisingly) don't know what paraphrasing is, so start here and go down the entire rest of the page.


What I'm trying to say is why do you think me saying that leftists hate ''merry christmas'' means that I'm angry at em for hating it or that I care so much. You should realize the fact that you keep whining about this shows that you're the one who seems pretty upset or care so much about this. Did mommy and daddy went through a divorce? Is Holiday Capitalism triggering you? Please show me on this anatomically correct doll where capitalism touched you.

Also, why do you keep telling me to go down the page as if I've made multiple posts about it? Your only example is that one post that triggered you and the one where I said to not being to sure about it being true.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:34 am

Ifreann wrote:
Mushet wrote:I don't think most people are taking this business with the songs and whatever too seriously, just small groups of butthurt people on the internet that like to rant and rave. Sure, these outrages wouldn't go far without some token support from normal people, but that's pretty limited to "hey, that's fucked up" and then going about their day.

Y'all need to go out more, or at least learn how the internet works, pretty much nobody cares about this.

I've wanted more censorship of Christmas songs for years, but that's just me irritated that Fairytale New York gets a pass on swearing that no other song does.

I'm torn between looking that up or living my life not knowing a Christmas song...
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I've wanted more censorship of Christmas songs for years, but that's just me irritated that Fairytale New York gets a pass on swearing that no other song does.

I'm torn between looking that up or living my life not knowing a Christmas song...

I'm surprised you've avoided it thus far. They play it ad infinitum on the radio.

Depending on the day, I either don't mind it or find it really irritating.

In case curiosity gets the better of you**...

**As Iffy says... it's somewhat sweary, in case that offends
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:36 am

Mushet wrote:I don't think most people are taking this business with the songs and whatever too seriously, just small groups of butthurt people on the internet that like to rant and rave. Sure, these outrages wouldn't go far without some token support from normal people, but that's pretty limited to "hey, that's fucked up" and then going about their day.

Y'all need to go out more, or at least learn how the internet works, pretty much nobody cares about this.

Problem is that we have seen how these idiots have infiltrated all walks of society and made society objectively worse for everyone simply because we sensible people let them by thinking that they are idiots and can't possibly achieve anything. If we are to limit their damage and reverse what they screwed up they must be stamped out.
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Postby Caracasus » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:41 am

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Major-Tom wrote:I can't say I know anyone who is offended by the Holidays, whether or not it's Rudolph, Santa, religious imagery, whatever the fuck. Never in my life have I met one truly offended by the holidays.

In other words, you're essentially standing on a soapbox and talking about an issue that is about as real as Santa Claus.


Santa Claus is a very real issue. Someone could be hurt if he dropped a package and it landed on their head.


Not to mention those kids foolish enough to wait up and try to catch him in the act of dropping off presents. The time dilation devices he utilizes to visit almost every house in a single night are reasonably safe, but there's a not insignificant chance that if you are awake and watching at the time you'll essentially experience the passage of 20000 years in one second.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:48 am

Caracasus wrote:
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Santa Claus is a very real issue. Someone could be hurt if he dropped a package and it landed on their head.


Not to mention those kids foolish enough to wait up and try to catch him in the act of dropping off presents. The time dilation devices he utilizes to visit almost every house in a single night are reasonably safe, but there's a not insignificant chance that if you are awake and watching at the time you'll essentially experience the passage of 20000 years in one second.

My new answer to the question of 'how does he manage to make it to all those houses in one night is to laugh and go, "How many good little girls and boys do you think there are in this world?"

Fortunately, I am not in a position where children ask me anything.
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Mushet wrote:I don't think most people are taking this business with the songs and whatever too seriously, just small groups of butthurt people on the internet that like to rant and rave. Sure, these outrages wouldn't go far without some token support from normal people, but that's pretty limited to "hey, that's fucked up" and then going about their day.

Y'all need to go out more, or at least learn how the internet works, pretty much nobody cares about this.

Problem is that we have seen how these idiots have infiltrated all walks of society and made society objectively worse for everyone simply because we sensible people let them by thinking that they are idiots and can't possibly achieve anything. If we are to limit their damage and reverse what they screwed up they must be stamped out.

And they say the people remarking on dated lyrics are taking things too seriously.
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