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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:15 pm

Hystaria wrote:
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Santas always been a bit weird, but a white girl could play Ms.Claus

Yes, Ms, a separate person, and the statement about a ¨a weird white girl¨ was at portraying Gu, the black man


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Who is Gu?
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Postby Hystaria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:18 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Leave it to the PC crowd to turn a non-issue into an issue.

...no?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:18 pm

Geneviev wrote:It really doesn't matter how Santa looks. He's usually a fat old white guy, but it can be different. The more important issue is that he's breaking and entering.

But he is giving you presents!

Btw, I peeked at santas list, you are totally in the nice list. ^^

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Leave it to the PC crowd to turn a non-issue into an issue.


was an issue way before this thread
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:18 pm

Hystaria wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Leave it to the PC crowd to turn a non-issue into an issue.

...no?
There was much debate of his cultural origins to whenther he was from russia or finland, so the culture aspect has been ancient

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Postby Hystaria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:20 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hystaria wrote:Yes, Ms, a separate person, and the statement about a ¨a weird white girl¨ was at portraying Gu, the black man


?

Who is Gu?

An african(Benin specifically) deity, like how Santa is a European representation of either a saint, or a winter spirt.
I just like research on these things, and i would find it rude if the people depicting the person fail some of the traits they hold, with all spirits gods, etc.
Though, like the depiction of jesus, that could change
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Postby Earth Luna and Mars » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:21 pm

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Earth Luna and Mars wrote:Must SJWs always use the "Race card" to whine about something?

"OMG a debate question on race it must be the ebil sjws who posted it"


I didn't even say the question was posted by a SJW, I was just saying how annoying it is when SJWs turns a issue into a racial issue does it matter if Santa is black or white?

Lets just sit down and enjoy the holidays it is as simple as that!
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Postby Yokojima » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:21 pm

Of course he can be presented differently. Santa can be whoever we want him/her to be :)
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:22 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It really doesn't matter how Santa looks. He's usually a fat old white guy, but it can be different. The more important issue is that he's breaking and entering.

But he is giving you presents!

Btw, I peeked at santas list, you are totally in the nice list. ^^

You have a point, Santa is watching small children too.

Just kidding, Santa is great and presents are better. His race doesn't matter.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:23 pm

I mean if you want to portray him in a different way fine but most people will always see him as a fat white guy. Not because of white supremacy but because that is how Santa is basically always portrayed and I honestly don´t know why this is an issue.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:23 pm

What ethnicity Santa can be portrayed as shouldn't be taken so seriously that people lose their jobs over it. That is ridiculous. I would categorize this as a non-issue.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:24 pm

Yes, because this representation is what people like best apparently. The better conclusion to reach however, is that Christmas as how it is usually practiced by popular culture is consumerist trash that has corrupt Pagan influences. I think it is no coincidence that there are more suicides near Christmas that at any other time of the year. It is more bad than good.

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Postby Hystaria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:26 pm

Saiwania wrote:Yes, because this representation is what people like best apparently. The better conclusion to reach however, is that Christmas as how it is usually practiced by popular culture is consumerist trash that has corrupt Pagan influences. I think it is no coincidence that there are more suicides near Christmas that at any other time of the year. It is more bad than good.


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Postby Latin Islands » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:26 pm

It's the way it has been, so I think it's okay to let Santa be portrayed as an old overweight guy of European stock. But to the truly discontented, they can feel free to change Santa's look to cater to their every whim as long as they do not force their beliefs down other people's throats...for the sake of a jolly Christmas.

If it helps, I'm not of European descent (read: I'm not white.), yet I find the current Santa Claus depictions perfectly acceptable. BTW I prefer to not refer people by their skIn color, and I use the word "fat" sparingly.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:Just kidding, Santa is great and presents are better. His race doesn't matter.

Agreed, just keep what he represents the same. That being said, I find nothing wrong with how he is currently depicted.
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Postby Utceforp » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:33 pm

If people want to accurately represent Saint Nicholas, then they should only depict him as a thin, olive-skinned Greek Orthodox priest.

The fact is, Santa Claus is a fictional character with no "canonical" description. Let people do what they want.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:37 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"OMG a debate question on race it must be the ebil sjws who posted it"


I didn't even say the question was posted by a SJW, I was just saying how annoying it is when SJWs turns a issue into a racial issue does it matter if Santa is black or white?

Lets just sit down and enjoy the holidays it is as simple as that!

Not really and ok.

Merry chirstmas btw! :hug:

Hystaria wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
?

Who is Gu?

An african(Benin specifically) deity, like how Santa is a European representation of either a saint, or a winter spirt.
I just like research on these things, and i would find it rude if the people depicting the person fail some of the traits they hold, with all spirits gods, etc.
Though, like the depiction of jesus, that could change


Oh, ok.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:But he is giving you presents!

Btw, I peeked at santas list, you are totally in the nice list. ^^

You have a point, Santa is watching small children too.

Just kidding, Santa is great and presents are better. His race doesn't matter.


Indeed! :hug:
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:37 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Just kidding, Santa is great and presents are better. His race doesn't matter.

Agreed, just keep what he represents the same. That being said, I find nothing wrong with how he is currently depicted.

The only thing that really matters is presents and being able to make children believe Santa is actually real. The rest isn't important.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:38 pm

Earth Luna and Mars wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:"OMG a debate question on race it must be the ebil sjws who posted it"


I didn't even say the question was posted by a SJW, I was just saying how annoying it is when SJWs turns a issue into a racial issue does it matter if Santa is black or white?

Lets just sit down and enjoy the holidays it is as simple as that!


Take that up with all the people getting triggered by the idea of Santa not being white.
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Geneviev wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Agreed, just keep what he represents the same. That being said, I find nothing wrong with how he is currently depicted.

The only thing that really matters is presents and being able to make children believe Santa is actually real. The rest isn't important.


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Postby Earth Luna and Mars » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:39 pm

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Earth Luna and Mars wrote:
I didn't even say the question was posted by a SJW, I was just saying how annoying it is when SJWs turns a issue into a racial issue does it matter if Santa is black or white?

Lets just sit down and enjoy the holidays it is as simple as that!

Not really and ok.

Merry chirstmas btw! :hug:

Hystaria wrote:An african(Benin specifically) deity, like how Santa is a European representation of either a saint, or a winter spirt.
I just like research on these things, and i would find it rude if the people depicting the person fail some of the traits they hold, with all spirits gods, etc.
Though, like the depiction of jesus, that could change


Oh, ok.

Geneviev wrote:You have a point, Santa is watching small children too.

Just kidding, Santa is great and presents are better. His race doesn't matter.


Indeed! :hug:


Merry Christmas to you as well! :hug:
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Postby Parcia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:39 pm

IF memory serves (and take that with a pinch of salt, im a tad bit hungover as of writing this) Santa him self is loosely based on the Russian Saint Nicolas, who, while not fat, was indeed normally portrayed as a elderly Caucasian man.

Now, if NZ (which I happy refer to as Kiwi land) wishes to portray the big man as a local in a red feather cloak, fuck it, let them, its their parade.


As for the Elf thing...I mean...you would assume the North Pole has female Elves, how the fuck would they sustain the population of workers and the like.
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Earth Luna and Mars wrote:Must SJWs always use the "Race card" to whine about something?

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The only thing that really matters is presents and being able to make children believe Santa is actually real. The rest isn't important.


#jesusisthereasonfortheseason

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:42 pm

Hystaria wrote:Your flag has not aged well, all i feel is bad vibes from you


It is bad vibes, that is kind of the point. It is how I feel inside to some extent, but also to mock Wojak as a meme. I've been amused anyways at the perfect combination of rage and sadness that the picture expresses. It is what many people who're "losers" feel deep down inside. People still need to take responsibility for whatever direction their life is going, whether good or bad.

For me, I believe this condition is temporary. I have some idea of the next theme I'm going with but haven't decided on the next picture yet. Its coming soon though. If the idea of Christmas that most people have is just presents and materialism, I don't find this worthy at all. I'm better off dismissing it from my mind until I can handle it.
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