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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:16 pm

Hrythingia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:It really doesn't matter.

Aren't you a Moslem though anyway?


How do you get that conclusion from Zoroastrian imagery?
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Postby Dark Socialism » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:17 pm

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:17 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:Yes


Why?
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Postby Hrythingia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:17 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:Aren't you a Moslem though anyway?


How do you get that conclusion from Zoroastrian imagery?

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Hrythingia wrote:Aren't you a Moslem though anyway?

God no lel

Fair enough
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Postby Liriena » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:18 pm

I for one look forward to sexy young enby Korean Santa. Make it so.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:19 pm

Hrythingia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How do you get that conclusion from Zoroastrian imagery?

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I used to be one. I am no longer. But even when I was, I celebrated Christmas and my family who are Muslim do, too.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:21 pm

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Hrythingia wrote:User formerly known as United Islamic Commonwealth and al-Ismailiyya.

I used to be one. I am no longer. But even when I was, I celebrated Christmas and my family who are Muslim do, too.


If the reaction to an advert for a British supermarket chain a few years ago depicting Muslims celebrating a quote-unquote traditional British Christmas is anything to go on, conservatives don't like it when you say that.
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Postby Gran Virginia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:21 pm

Imperator Seven wrote:Why should anyone care what his skin color is? or his weight? or that he's old? you can believe what you want about him, and whatever you believe is true, to you.

Because I don't like people trying to artificially change culture. If people were running around arguing that John Henry should be Asian, I'd be equally opposed to it.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:22 pm

Gran Virginia wrote:
Imperator Seven wrote:Why should anyone care what his skin color is? or his weight? or that he's old? you can believe what you want about him, and whatever you believe is true, to you.

Because I don't like people trying to artificially change culture. If people were running around arguing that John Henry should be Asian, I'd be equally opposed to it.


The whole reason Santa exists is because people artificially changed culture.
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Postby Hrythingia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I used to be one. I am no longer. But even when I was, I celebrated Christmas and my family who are Muslim do, too.


If the reaction to an advert for a British supermarket chain a few years ago depicting Muslims celebrating a quote-unquote traditional British Christmas is anything to go on, conservatives don't like it when you say that.

Actually we think its good because it shows assimilation into the culture. Thus, a good immigrant.
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Postby Cedoria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:23 pm

Call me crazy, but the presumed ethnicity of non-existent characters is something I couldn't give a fuck about.

But it's disingenuous to paint is just as a product of the Left. White racists threw a complete hissy fit at some recent Hollywood castings, and here in my country people got inexplicably outraged by an African-American man playing Julius Caesar in Shakespeare...

Get over it.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:23 pm

Why can't Santa be a fat old white guy?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:24 pm

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:24 pm

The Black Party wrote:Why can't Santa be a fat old white guy?


Because there's nothing saying he has to be.

The apotheosis of the Christmas Season is not actually required to manifest as an overweight white guy with a beard.
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:25 pm

As long as you have the same old festive spirit, I doubt it matters on whether Santa is a fat old white dude..

I mean, sure, he's represented that way, but this is kind of a moot point to talk about.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Santa has always been a white guy, and thus, a non-standard ethnicity. Changing his appearance might work, but is mostly a waste of time and effort.
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Postby Cedoria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Federally United Germany wrote:Why change his race/gender? It literally doesn't matter and it makes no sense. Why make "progress" where it is not needed? The only explanation i have is that they are vying for attention.

For something that 'doesn't matter' an awful lot of people claiming it shouldn't matter seem inordinately upset about it.

Santa can be what you want him to be, he's fictional, just let people do as they will inside their own heads, and you do yours. Pretty simple shit which leaves us more room to fight over stuff we actually should fight over.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Party wrote:Why can't Santa be a fat old white guy?


Because there's nothing saying he has to be.

The apotheosis of the Christmas Season is not actually required to manifest as an overweight white guy with a beard.

That doesn't answer the question of "Why can't said character be portrayed as such".
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Postby Cedoria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:26 pm

A m e n r i a wrote:Santa has always been a white guy, and thus, a non-standard ethnicity. Changing his appearance might work, but is mostly a waste of time and effort.

Santa is fictional, he doesn't have an ethnicity, by definition.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:27 pm

The Black Party wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because there's nothing saying he has to be.

The apotheosis of the Christmas Season is not actually required to manifest as an overweight white guy with a beard.

That doesn't answer the question of "Why can't said character be portrayed as such".


Who said he cannot?
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:27 pm

Lets just throw out Santa and bring back Krampus!
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Postby Hrythingia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:28 pm

Cedoria wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Santa has always been a white guy, and thus, a non-standard ethnicity. Changing his appearance might work, but is mostly a waste of time and effort.

Santa is fictional, he doesn't have an ethnicity, by definition.

I mean Saint Nicholas was a real person...
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:28 pm

Cedoria wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Santa has always been a white guy, and thus, a non-standard ethnicity. Changing his appearance might work, but is mostly a waste of time and effort.

Santa is fictional, he doesn't have an ethnicity, by definition.

Being fictional doesn't mean said thing cannot have an ethnicity.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:28 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Party wrote:That doesn't answer the question of "Why can't said character be portrayed as such".


Who said he cannot?

You did. I asked, "why can't," and your reply was "Because there's nothing saying he has to be."
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