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by Darussalam » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:07 am
by Trumptonium1 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:35 am
Darussalam wrote:It also shows that restricting labor mobility might force the state's hands into greater deregulation of internal labor laws. Unfortunately, the same mechanism that leads to immigration restriction in the first place - democracy - prevented it.
by -Ocelot- » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:23 am
Trumptonium1 wrote:Darussalam wrote:It also shows that restricting labor mobility might force the state's hands into greater deregulation of internal labor laws. Unfortunately, the same mechanism that leads to immigration restriction in the first place - democracy - prevented it.
Labour laws are not being deregulated, they are being made more flexible for the benefit of workers.
If they want to, they can work an extra three hours a week. Previously, they could not.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:25 am
-Ocelot- wrote:Trumptonium1 wrote:
Labour laws are not being deregulated, they are being made more flexible for the benefit of workers.
If they want to, they can work an extra three hours a week. Previously, they could not.
It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!
You can't be this naive.
by Novus Wrepland » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:31 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:
It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!
You can't be this naive.
I mean, a coupla hours of overtime to transfer to your savings or buy that Saturday pizza is always welcomed...
by -Ocelot- » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:33 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:
It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!
You can't be this naive.
I mean, a coupla hours of overtime to transfer to your savings or buy that Saturday pizza is always welcomed...
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:36 am
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:42 am
by Oil exporting People » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:55 am
Liriena wrote:Novus Wrepland wrote:Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts.
Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:59 am
Oil exporting People wrote:Liriena wrote:Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?
Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".
by Oil exporting People » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:04 am
by Thermodolia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:07 am
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Eh... Europeans are crazy. Americans regularly work 40 hours a week (60 if no college degree) and no real benefits. Europeans get like 3+ weeks paid vacation, healthcare, time off for pregnancy, and sometimes free college all with lower taxes yet complain when they are told to work at least 400 hours a year or a single 8 hour shift a week....
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:14 am
Thermodolia wrote:Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Eh... Europeans are crazy. Americans regularly work 40 hours a week (60 if no college degree) and no real benefits. Europeans get like 3+ weeks paid vacation, healthcare, time off for pregnancy, and sometimes free college all with lower taxes yet complain when they are told to work at least 400 hours a year or a single 8 hour shift a week....
Ya I thought it was a bit nuts. Is an extra day of work really that bad?
by Valrifell » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:15 am
Oil exporting People wrote:Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:You know, you are only hurting yourself with ignorant preconceptions like those.
Funny, because I was thinking the same about assuming all people from Africa or the Middle East are well educated and qualified for industrial work.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:16 am
by Thermodolia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:17 am
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:18 am
by Oil exporting People » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:23 am
Valrifell wrote:Oil exporting People wrote:
Funny, because I was thinking the same about assuming all people from Africa or the Middle East are well educated and qualified for industrial work.
"You shouldn't think all migrants from the Middle East are literally mentally deficient" =/= "migrants from the Middle East are genius super soldiers"
Liriena wrote:Novus Wrepland wrote:Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts.
Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:24 am
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:26 am
by Jakker » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:27 am
Oil exporting People wrote:Liriena wrote:Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?
Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:29 am
by Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:30 am
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
There is also the issue that many of the skills they acquired in their home countries might be incompatible with the needed credentials.
1) You should have said that to begin with, then, rather than opening a box with tricks and throwing arguments until one hits.
2) Then the burden of proof is on you to show that they are incompatible, since you are relying on the claim. Show and prove how credentials are incompatible.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:33 am
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