Hungary’s “Slave Law”

[Darussalam]

It also shows that restricting labor mobility might force the state's hands into greater deregulation of internal labor laws. Unfortunately, the same mechanism that leads to immigration restriction in the first place - democracy - prevented it.

[Trumptonium1]

It also shows that restricting labor mobility might force the state's hands into greater deregulation of internal labor laws. Unfortunately, the same mechanism that leads to immigration restriction in the first place - democracy - prevented it.

Labour laws are not being deregulated, they are being made more flexible for the benefit of workers.

If they want to, they can work an extra three hours a week. Previously, they could not.

[-Ocelot-]

It also shows that restricting labor mobility might force the state's hands into greater deregulation of internal labor laws. Unfortunately, the same mechanism that leads to immigration restriction in the first place - democracy - prevented it.

Labour laws are not being deregulated, they are being made more flexible for the benefit of workers.

If they want to, they can work an extra three hours a week. Previously, they could not.

It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!

You can't be this naive.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Labour laws are not being deregulated, they are being made more flexible for the benefit of workers.

If they want to, they can work an extra three hours a week. Previously, they could not.

It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!

You can't be this naive.

I mean, a coupla hours of overtime to transfer to your savings or buy that Saturday pizza is always welcomed...

[Novus Wrepland]

It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!

You can't be this naive.

I mean, a coupla hours of overtime to transfer to your savings or buy that Saturday pizza is always welcomed...

And what if I don’t want to be forced to work overtime and buy that pizza? Saying that Poles do it is not a good excuse.

[-Ocelot-]

It's perfectly voluntary, guys! Either comply with us and work "voluntarily" until you drop, or starve. The decision is yours!

You can't be this naive.

I mean, a coupla hours of overtime to transfer to your savings or buy that Saturday pizza is always welcomed...

A couple hours of mandatory overtime so your employer can buy this Saturday pizza.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I mean, a coupla hours of overtime to transfer to your savings or buy that Saturday pizza is always welcomed...

And what if I don’t want to be forced to work overtime? Saying that Poles do it is not a good excuse.

Well, sorry to disappoint ya buddy, but overtime work is an inevitability of life.

Sometimes that colleague of yours might arrive late and you have to cover for him, sometimes an event happens that causes you to stay longer.

There's a difference between a coupla hours of overtime and then 60-80 hours a week because your employer forces you to stay longer or add working days for no real reason.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Eh... Europeans are crazy. Americans regularly work 40 hours a week (60 if no college degree) and no real benefits. Europeans get like 3+ weeks paid vacation, healthcare, time off for pregnancy, and sometimes free college all with lower taxes yet complain when they are told to work at least 400 hours a year or a single 8 hour shift a week....

[Oil exporting People]

Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts.

Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?

Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?

Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".

You know, you are only hurting yourself with ignorant preconceptions like those.

[Oil exporting People]

Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".

You know, you are only hurting yourself with ignorant preconceptions like those.

Funny, because I was thinking the same about assuming all people from Africa or the Middle East are well educated and qualified for industrial work.

[Thermodolia]

Eh... Europeans are crazy. Americans regularly work 40 hours a week (60 if no college degree) and no real benefits. Europeans get like 3+ weeks paid vacation, healthcare, time off for pregnancy, and sometimes free college all with lower taxes yet complain when they are told to work at least 400 hours a year or a single 8 hour shift a week....

Ya I thought it was a bit nuts. Is an extra day of work really that bad?

[Valrifell]

Eh... Europeans are crazy. Americans regularly work 40 hours a week (60 if no college degree) and no real benefits. Europeans get like 3+ weeks paid vacation, healthcare, time off for pregnancy, and sometimes free college all with lower taxes yet complain when they are told to work at least 400 hours a year or a single 8 hour shift a week....

Ya I thought it was a bit nuts. Is an extra day of work really that bad?

It just means that Americans need those nice things, too.

[Valrifell]

You know, you are only hurting yourself with ignorant preconceptions like those.

Funny, because I was thinking the same about assuming all people from Africa or the Middle East are well educated and qualified for industrial work.

"You shouldn't think all migrants from the Middle East are literally mentally deficient" =/= "migrants from the Middle East are genius super soldiers"

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".

You know, you are only hurting yourself with ignorant preconceptions like those.

I mean, a lot of 'em are just subsistence farmers and cattle herders...

[Thermodolia]

Ya I thought it was a bit nuts. Is an extra day of work really that bad?

It just means that Americans need those nice things, too.

So what we can riot when we have to work 3 to 8 hours extra a week? Oh the horror

[Western Vale Confederacy]

It just means that Americans need those nice things, too.

So what we can riot when we have to work 3 to 8 hours extra a week? Oh the horror

3 extra hours a week?

literally dying rn

[Valrifell]

It just means that Americans need those nice things, too.

So what we can riot when we have to work 3 to 8 hours extra a week? Oh the horror

What, you don't like a good riot?

[Oil exporting People]

Funny, because I was thinking the same about assuming all people from Africa or the Middle East are well educated and qualified for industrial work.

"You shouldn't think all migrants from the Middle East are literally mentally deficient" =/= "migrants from the Middle East are genius super soldiers"

Please attempt to read the quote chain before jumping in:

Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts.

Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You know, you are only hurting yourself with ignorant preconceptions like those.

I mean, a lot of 'em are just subsistence farmers and cattle herders...

Not the ones with money to come to the West.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I mean, a lot of 'em are just subsistence farmers and cattle herders...

Not the ones with money to come to the West.

There is also the issue that many of the skills they acquired in their home countries might be incompatible with the needed credentials.

[Jakker]

Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?

Because a cave dweller from Afghanistan or some rock bashing dolt from a hellhole in Africa are "qualified".

Oil exporting People, the opinion was made that qualified workers from other countries should be allowed in and you decided to use this as an opportunity to bash Afghanistan and Africa. No one was making the point that anyone is qualified and should be welcomed given the labor shortage, so your comment is solely there to troll. Your warning history is getting longer and longer and we are right at the point of considering a possible DEAT on the next offense. Keep that in mind during your absence. *** One-month ban for Trolling ***

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Not the ones with money to come to the West.

There is also the issue that many of the skills they acquired in their home countries might be incompatible with the needed credentials.

1) You should have said that to begin with, then, rather than opening a box with tricks and throwing arguments until one hits.
2) Then the burden of proof is on you to show that they are incompatible, since you are relying on the claim. Show and prove how credentials are incompatible.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

There is also the issue that many of the skills they acquired in their home countries might be incompatible with the needed credentials.

1) You should have said that to begin with, then, rather than opening a box with tricks and throwing arguments until one hits.
2) Then the burden of proof is on you to show that they are incompatible, since you are relying on the claim. Show and prove how credentials are incompatible.

Permits, licenses, diplomas and other legal paperwork can often be considered invalid (thus necessitating a renewal within the country of arrival), for starters.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Sounds like a smart deal, 400 hours would typically be 10 days worth of work in the US. 40 hours being the average for working us employees. So this would be 10 days annually in US terms. Nothing to radical, save for those opposing this bill.