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Hungary’s “Slave Law”

Postby Novus Wrepland » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:07 pm

Europe’s defender of the people’s right to control their borders strikes again! This time Hungary has taken to defending the worker’s right to be demanded of:

Hungary plans to water down a proposed bill aimed at boosting the extra hours employers can demand from workers after labor unions and opposition parties dubbed it the “slave law.”

Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts. Legislation originally submitted by ruling party lawmakers this week envisioned boosting the extra hours employers could force employees to work to 400 hours annually, from 250 hours now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-11-28/hungary-to-water-down-slave-law-after-uproar-over-extra-hours

In all seriousness, I think this points to something more interesting than what might be found in exaltation over some guy winning mayorship of an irrelevant and obscure town in Spain.

We are often told that the “mainstream” excuse given for immigration to the aging countries of Europe, that immigrants are needed to fill positions in the economy, is a lie. At worst, all we need is to drastically increase spending allocated to families. At best, the status quo will actually lead us to a heaven where we all enjoy standards of living due to a decreased population. Well if that were so why did Fidesz feel the need to squeeze Hungarian labor? Seems like immigration is a good thing after all, unless you’re a fan of the 19th Century work week.

Secondly, it’s interesting what the ruling party revealed about which groups supported their legislative push. Fidesz politician Péter Szijjártó revealed to a German journalist that ”companies in the region of North Rhine Westphalia which have invested in Hungary in the past welcomed the news about the modification of the labor code, which will improve the country’s competitiveness.” It would be very interesting if German companies were actually the ones pushing for Hungary’s “sovereigntist” government to punish its own population.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:48 pm

Novus Wrepland wrote:Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts.

Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
Novus Wrepland wrote:Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts.

Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?


There is a difference between sensible immigration and opening the fucking floodgates, y'know.

Hungarians are very strict about preserving their *very unique from a European PoV* culture.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:54 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:Hmmm... this sounds like the sort of problem that could be mitigated by allowing qualified workers from abroad to come live in their countries... but nah, why stop being a dick to foreigners when you can just be a dick to your own working people too?


There is a difference between sensible immigration and opening the fucking floodgates, y'know.

And Hungary fits neither of these criteria.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Hungarians are very strict about preserving their *very unique from a European PoV* culture.

Yes, I know. Their government is a bunch of delusional ethno-nationalists.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:55 pm

Liriena wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
There is a difference between sensible immigration and opening the fucking floodgates, y'know.

And Hungary fits neither of these criteria.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Hungarians are very strict about preserving their *very unique from a European PoV* culture.

*Yes, I know. Their government is a bunch of delusional ethno-nationalists.

*Most of Europe's goverments are full of delusional ethno-nationalists
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Postby Liberated American Provinces » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:59 pm

New haven america wrote:
Liriena wrote:And Hungary fits neither of these criteria.


*Yes, I know. Their government is a bunch of delusional ethno-nationalists.

*Most of Europe's goverments are full of delusional ethno-nationalists

The notorious ethno-nationalists Theresa May, Angela Merkel, and Emmanuel Macron
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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:Enslaving your own people to own the libs.

Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:24 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Enslaving your own people to own the libs.

Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:27 pm

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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

If at first you don't succeed, Reich, Reich again.

And if you can't get that Reich going, then Reich some more.

Reich it till you Reich it.
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New haven america wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If at first you don't succeed, Reich, Reich again.

And if you can't get that Reich going, then Reich some more.

Reich it till you Reich it.

But don't Reich too hard or the tankies will come.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:33 pm

Liriena wrote:
New haven america wrote:And if you can't get that Reich going, then Reich some more.

Reich it till you Reich it.

But don't Reich too hard or the tankies will come.

We gotta test out that 1000 year Reich somehow.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:52 pm

Liriena wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
There is a difference between sensible immigration and opening the fucking floodgates, y'know.

And Hungary fits neither of these criteria.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Hungarians are very strict about preserving their *very unique from a European PoV* culture.

Yes, I know. Their government is a bunch of delusional ethno-nationalists.


I mean, when they have a language that is unrelated to any other in Europe, it makes sense for them to want to keep it alive.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:09 pm

Novus Wrepland wrote:Europe’s defender of the people’s right to control their borders strikes again! This time Hungary has taken to defending the worker’s right to be demanded of:

Hungary plans to water down a proposed bill aimed at boosting the extra hours employers can demand from workers after labor unions and opposition parties dubbed it the “slave law.”

Hungary, like other countries in eastern Europe, is struggling with a labor shortage that’s drawn complaints from companies that they can’t find enough qualified workers to fill vacant posts. Legislation originally submitted by ruling party lawmakers this week envisioned boosting the extra hours employers could force employees to work to 400 hours annually, from 250 hours now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-11-28/hungary-to-water-down-slave-law-after-uproar-over-extra-hours

In all seriousness, I think this points to something more interesting than what might be found in exaltation over some guy winning mayorship of an irrelevant and obscure town in Spain.

We are often told that the “mainstream” excuse given for immigration to the aging countries of Europe, that immigrants are needed to fill positions in the economy, is a lie. At worst, all we need is to drastically increase spending allocated to families. At best, the status quo will actually lead us to a heaven where we all enjoy standards of living due to a decreased population. Well if that were so why did Fidesz feel the need to squeeze Hungarian labor? Seems like immigration is a good thing after all, unless you’re a fan of the 19th Century work week.

Secondly, it’s interesting what the ruling party revealed about which groups supported their legislative push. Fidesz politician Péter Szijjártó revealed to a German journalist that ”companies in the region of North Rhine Westphalia which have invested in Hungary in the past welcomed the news about the modification of the labor code, which will improve the country’s competitiveness.” It would be very interesting if German companies were actually the ones pushing for Hungary’s “sovereigntist” government to punish its own population.


Did you miss the part about said workers being qualified? Something tells me that economic immigrants from a random, constantly bombed country in the Middle East, aren't going to, at least not usually, be qualified. One of the best ways to prevent immigration, is to stop bombing random countries in the name of "Liberation" as said stoppage in bombing would decrease the flow of economic immigrants.

A smarter approach for Hungary would be to train its own citizens, into becoming qualified workers, since there is unemployment among unqualified Hungarians. Also, forcing an employee to work three additional hours a week isn't slavery. It's not even remotely equivalent to slavery. You shorten your lunch by 6 minutes per day, and you stay 30 minutes later. In what World is that equivalent to slavery?

But hey, let's talk about this "Culture of Slavery" in Hungary. I looked it up. It's dire. Absolutely dire: https://businessculture.org/eastern-eur ... e-balance/

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Wow, you mean to tell me that Hungarians working forty hours a week, might have to work 48 hours? Oh tragedy of tragedies, this is slavery! It's not like the average American would ever have to work 48 hours a week - that'd be slavery... unless you count driving time, for which you're also not paid, but it's hard to work without getting to work. Maybe next time look up simple statistics, before equating a forty eight hour workweek to slavery, eh Wrepland?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:12 pm

Hungary doesn't necessarily have to fill those vacant jobs. It could instead, I don't know- shrink their economy by just a bit until it is at equilibrium again? Nothing wrong with having a smaller economy and less production if there is a higher birth rate once again. It is almost proven fact that poorer countries breed more. Hungary doesn't have to become poor, just poorer than it is now temporarily.

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New haven america wrote:And if you can't get that Reich going, then Reich some more.

Reich it till you Reich it.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:51 pm

Saiwania wrote:Hungary doesn't necessarily have to fill those vacant jobs. It could instead, I don't know- shrink their economy by just a bit until it is at equilibrium again? Nothing wrong with having a smaller economy and less production if there is a higher birth rate once again. It is almost proven fact that poorer countries breed more. Hungary doesn't have to become poor, just poorer than it is now temporarily.


So instead of training their own citizens, you'd prefer that Hungarians shrank their own economy? :shock:


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Postby Rusozak » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:59 pm

*Gets picky about who's allowed in your country*

*Gets labor shortages*

*Overworks the natives*

Makes sense.
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400 extra hours a year. 52 weeks in a year. That's about an extra two weeks of work.

This really doesn't seem like a big deal.
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Bear Stearns wrote:400 extra hours a year. 52 weeks in a year. That's about an extra two weeks of work.

This really doesn't seem like a big deal.

In most of Europe that's almost apocolyptic.

Most European countries require employees have 1-3 payed months off a year.
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New haven america wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:400 extra hours a year. 52 weeks in a year. That's about an extra two weeks of work.

This really doesn't seem like a big deal.

In most of Europe that's almost apocolyptic.

Most European countries require employees have 1-3 payed months off a year.


That's because you guys have a Catholic work ethic!
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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:18 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
New haven america wrote:In most of Europe that's almost apocolyptic.

Most European countries require employees have 1-3 payed months off a year.


That's because you guys have a Catholic work ethic!

I'm not allowed to live in Europe (Sadly).
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:34 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:400 extra hours a year. 52 weeks in a year. That's about an extra two weeks of work.

This really doesn't seem like a big deal.


Europeans think 30 hours a week is already enough, and I'm just here sitting at 42 hours a week like...k

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Thermodolia wrote:
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