#MeToo Becomes #LeaveMeAlone

[Liriena]

How exactly? Has there been an increase in false criminal convictions?

In the UK, there was the collapse of due process in the criminal court system as a direct result of allowing a feminist a position of authority with which she could operate and push her fucked up demands related to this topic, an abuse of human rights she was able to carry out due to MeToo and other campaigns like it.

Source? A name. at least?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Burden of proof being functionally on the accused, lack of right to counsel for the accused, lack of cross examination, no duty to disclose exculpatory evidence, among some other things.

Oh, are you still playing the "the accused doesn't get to cross examine the accuser personally ergo there is no cross examination" card?

If the accused is not permitted council and is not permitted to cross-examine the accuser, their is no cross-examination on the part of the accused.

[Dekerin Domains]

Is the burden of proof not still on the accuser to show they were raped?

Not to the same extent as a criminal court, and council is denied in most cases.

Yes, any hearing wherein there is no right to legal counsel is a kangaroo court. It's part of why Robespierre was guillotined, you know.

[Ostroeuropa]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

This is ignoring the reality of the dynamic, which is that men are held to an impossible standard and women are held to no standard at all. For example, take a look at the google memo. They feel like they're walking on eggshells because that is the dynamic imposed by the feminist movement and the disproportionate power women have over men in our society.

[Liriena]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

Boy are you naive, sonny.

Empty condescension. Very compelling argument.

[Estanglia]

The movement continues what was already a dangerous trend.

Investigating rape cases is dangerous. You heard it here first.

Put down the strawman. Vass.

[Liriena]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

This is ignoring the reality of the dynamic, which is that men are held to an impossible standard and women are held to no standard at all. For example, take a look at the google memo. They feel like they're walking on eggshells because that is the dynamic imposed by the feminist movement and the disproportionate power women have over men in our society.

What does the google memo have to do with #MeToo?

[Ostroeuropa]

In the UK, there was the collapse of due process in the criminal court system as a direct result of allowing a feminist a position of authority with which she could operate and push her fucked up demands related to this topic, an abuse of human rights she was able to carry out due to MeToo and other campaigns like it.

Source? A name. at least?

Alison Saunders.

[Dekerin Domains]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

This is ignoring the reality of the dynamic, which is that men are held to an impossible standard and women are held to no standard at all. For example, take a look at the google memo. They feel like they're walking on eggshells because that is the dynamic imposed by the feminist movement and the disproportionate power women have over men in our society.

Clip from As Good As It Gets comes to mind here.

Woman to Jack Nicholson's character: "How do you write women so well?"

Jack: "I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability."

[Ostroeuropa]

This is ignoring the reality of the dynamic, which is that men are held to an impossible standard and women are held to no standard at all. For example, take a look at the google memo. They feel like they're walking on eggshells because that is the dynamic imposed by the feminist movement and the disproportionate power women have over men in our society.

What does the google memo have to do with #MeToo?

He was punished for being "sexist" to women. The unreasonability of the feminist movement has escalated beyond arbitrary, one sided, and unhinged standards for sexual harassment, and has escalated into arbtirary, one sided, and unhinged standards for sexual abuse as MeToo demonstrates.

[Dekerin Domains]

Boy are you naive, sonny.

Empty condescension. Very compelling argument.

He is naive if he thinks that only shitbags and assholes get accused. Tell that to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari.

[Liriena]

Source? A name. at least?

Alison Saunders.

Self-described feminist?

[Liriena]

Empty condescension. Very compelling argument.

He is naive if he thinks that only shitbags and assholes get accused. Tell that to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari.

Al Franken seems like a genuinely good guy, but he was not innocent.

As I pointed out once, George Takei was apparently falsely accused, he denied any wrongdoing, and he's been able to carry on with his public life with no inconvenience.

[Imperializt Russia]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

Boy are you naive, sonny.

The post was positively dripping with sarcasm, you just missed it.

[Dekerin Domains]

He is naive if he thinks that only shitbags and assholes get accused. Tell that to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari.

Al Franken seems like a genuinely good guy, but he was not innocent.

As I pointed out once, George Takei was apparently falsely accused, he denied any wrongdoing, and he's been able to carry on with his public life with no inconvenience.

What actual offense did Franken commit? That has been proven in a court of law before he was hounded out of office?

Also, the very fact for me, that feminists are now attacking and accusing George Takei for even a second is very chilling.

Anyway, the point for me remains that you can be a fucking choirboy or you can be Bill Maher and someone will accuse you if you are a man, plain and simple. Sooner or later, it will happen to every man, regardless of politics, religion, etc. They won't be happy until they've removed us all from any position of power. That's what this is ultimately about: a complete female takeover of everything, reducing men to peonage.

I'm not saying that feminists in general support this, but they're willfully blind to those who really do have that agenda among them. Hiding behind catchphrases like "The Future Is Female."

[South Ccanda]

He is naive if he thinks that only shitbags and assholes get accused. Tell that to Al Franken and Aziz Ansari.

Al Franken seems like a genuinely good guy, but he was not innocent.

As I pointed out once, George Takei was apparently falsely accused, he denied any wrongdoing, and he's been able to carry on with his public life with no inconvenience.

but you must see that that isn't always the case, right? a few separated examples does not account for all the men falsely accused.

[Imperializt Russia]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

This is ignoring the reality of the dynamic, which is that men are held to an impossible standard and women are held to no standard at all. For example, take a look at the google memo. They feel like they're walking on eggshells because that is the dynamic imposed by the feminist movement and the disproportionate power women have over men in our society.

I don't write thirty-page screeds about the women in my office.

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[Liriena]

What does the google memo have to do with #MeToo?

He was punished for being "sexist" to women. The unreasonability of the feminist movement has escalated beyond arbitrary, one sided, and unhinged standards for sexual harassment, and has escalated into arbtirary, one sided, and unhinged standards for sexual abuse as MeToo demonstrates.

So you are threadjacking to talk about feminism in general through examples that are not even tangentially related to #MeToo and sexual harrassment or assault.

[Imperializt Russia]

Al Franken seems like a genuinely good guy, but he was not innocent.

As I pointed out once, George Takei was apparently falsely accused, he denied any wrongdoing, and he's been able to carry on with his public life with no inconvenience.

What actual offense did Franken commit? That has been proven in a court of law before he was hounded out of office?

Also, the very fact for me, that feminists are now attacking and accusing George Takei for even a second is very chilling.

Anyway, the point for me remains that you can be a fucking choirboy or you can be Bill Maher and someone will accuse you if you are a man, plain and simple. Sooner or later, it will happen to every man, regardless of politics, religion, etc. They won't be happy until they've removed us all from any position of power. That's what this is ultimately about: a complete female takeover of everything, reducing men to peonage.

I'm not saying that feminists in general support this, but they're willfully blind to those who really do have that agenda among them. Hiding behind catchphrases like "The Future Is Female."

Now who's naive, honeybun?

[Dekerin Domains]

Boy are you naive, sonny.

The post was positively dripping with sarcasm, you just missed it.

Given how hard it is to read tone in posts, that's not surprising.

[Liriena]

Al Franken seems like a genuinely good guy, but he was not innocent.

As I pointed out once, George Takei was apparently falsely accused, he denied any wrongdoing, and he's been able to carry on with his public life with no inconvenience.

but you must see that that isn't always the case, right? a few separated examples does not account for all the men falsely accused.

Neither do the Franken and the Ansari examples.

[South Ccanda]

Boy are you naive, sonny.

The post was positively dripping with sarcasm, you just missed it.

we all missed it. considering that there are people in this thread that actually thing like that, the sarcasm isn't obvious.

[Dekerin Domains]

What actual offense did Franken commit? That has been proven in a court of law before he was hounded out of office?

Also, the very fact for me, that feminists are now attacking and accusing George Takei for even a second is very chilling.

Anyway, the point for me remains that you can be a fucking choirboy or you can be Bill Maher and someone will accuse you if you are a man, plain and simple. Sooner or later, it will happen to every man, regardless of politics, religion, etc. They won't be happy until they've removed us all from any position of power. That's what this is ultimately about: a complete female takeover of everything, reducing men to peonage.

I'm not saying that feminists in general support this, but they're willfully blind to those who really do have that agenda among them. Hiding behind catchphrases like "The Future Is Female."

Now who's naive, honeybun?

I'm hardly naive. Naivete is denying the ugly reality of the militant wing of feminism. There are decent feminists, but they haven't rooted out their comrades from the movement who are notorious misandrists, so they are willfully blind.

[Ostroeuropa]

Alison Saunders.

Self-described feminist?

You have to go back to before all this came out, once it did suddenly Feminist journas didn't use the term about her, but as good as, yes.

https://www.policeprofessional.com/news ... ape-myths/

Take a look at this kind of rhetoric from the year before the scandal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41561656

Beyond that she regularly interacted with feminist lobbies and organizations, and gave speeches at them about her crusade. Prior to 2018, feminist journalists called her a feminist, Saunders peddled their rhetoric and framework, took up their cause, spoke at their organizations, accepted their backing, and did not object to them characterizing her work as feminist.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/ma ... -interview

Here's her discussing this issue along with FGM and other womens issues.

[Dekerin Domains]

but you must see that that isn't always the case, right? a few separated examples does not account for all the men falsely accused.

Neither do the Franken and the Ansari examples.

You still believe the accusations against both of them? Wow.